From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Sep 22 06:49:48 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, September 22 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2252 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] "tick tick tick tick" went the 300TD engine... Re: [db] battery change RE: [db] tools for changing a battery [db] Blower Motor Repair Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair Re: [db] Re: I think we need a reality check... Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:17:26 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) Olgiati" Subject: Re: [db] "tick tick tick tick" went the 300TD engine... I have a similar onez since last week on the memsahib's carriage. According to the vet, she hit a high bump on the road, pushed up the skid plate under the engine, and this now hits the oil pan at low-revs/ample engine vibrations. Have to get it unbent before it wears through the oil pan. Cheers, Ron. On Thursday 21 September 2006 19:37, my mailbox was graced by a missive from Kevin who wrote: > Assuming that when you did the valves you also checked the timing chain > for stretch, AND it's not running appreciably worse, I have three guesses. > > First is that something is hitting something. I'm assuming you've checked > that the fan isn't making contact with something (or something under the > valve cover or whatnot). Your guessed the other two - injector and exhaust > leak. Exhaust leaks are easy to find on a cold morning - you'll be able to > see the exhaust seeping out. If it's the injector, take a long screwdriver > and put it to your ear, then get the screwdriver next to each injector. If > the tick happens on one cylinder and not the others, swap the injector with > another one on the car. If the noise follows the injector, injectors are > easy to swap and not that expensive. If the noise stays with the injector, > the possibilities go up and can get much more expensive. > > K > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 05:28:52PM -0500, John Harrison wrote: > > My 1982 300TD wagon 200K miles seems to have developed a new engine > > noise. I hear this constant ticking sound when the engine is under load, > > cold or hot. It came suddenly, although it was preceded (not sure if > > coincidental or not) by a squeaking noise that sounded a bit like a belt > > slipping, although I am quite sure no belt actually *was* slipping. That > > noise would happen only when the car was moving and the engine revved up > > pretty high or under some load. But, for example, I got the sound to > > happen slipping the car into neutral and revving the engine while going > > 70MPH but I could not get the noise to happen revving the engine with > > the car not moving. > > > > Anyway, that squealing is gone but now I have this "tick tick tick" > > which is definitely in pattern with the engine revolutions. The engine > > seems smooth enough and it is still being real good about not using oil > > and has basically the same power (or lack thereof :-)) as it has always > > had. Just this weird ticking. > > > > I thought maybe it was valves but I just did them. Maybe one slipped or > > I screwed up in some way? If that were the case, why would I hear it > > only under load? Also after I did the valve initially it sounded fine. > > > > I also thought maybe it could be some sort of exhaust leak? I brought it > > to a muffler shop and they didn't find anything, but what if the leak > > were in the exhaust manifold or the turbo or something? Maybe they might > > not find that. > > > > I also wondered if it could be an injector or the ball inside the > > prechamber. > > > > Really I have no idea. I've owned the car 6 months and it is my first > > diesel. I'm pretty handy and I will take on anything, but I don't have a > > lot of experience with cars and I have 0 experience with diesel or > > Mercedes. Let's just say I've been on a pretty steep learning curve. :-) > > > > -John - -- No matter how subtle the wizard, a knife in the shoulder blades will seriously cramp his style. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] battery change rofl... yeah, unless you wanted to: 1) discover that the battery really does have juice left in it 2) discover what 2nd or 3rd degree burns feel like 3) practice arc welding 4) see spots before your eyes for days 5) possibly burn your benz to the ground john On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote: >-->On Thursday 21 September 2006 17:53, my mailbox was graced by a missive >--> from john who wrote: >--> >-->> there is a battery lifting tool that connects to either the >-->> case or the terminals to lift it out. >--> >-->Do _NOT_, repeat _NOT_, even think of making your own out of a length of cable >-->and two old battery connectors..... >--> >-->Cheers, >--> >-->Ron. >-->-- >--> No matter how subtle the wizard, >--> a knife in the shoulder blades >--> will seriously cramp his style. >--> >--> -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:57:08 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] tools for changing a battery If you're very pleasant (or can at least pretend for a little while), you can often get your local WalMart or CostCo or standalone auto parts store to both test the old battery and to install the new battery for nearly nothing. Also, check to see if your car still has the original tool kit. It should be rolled up in a piece of dark red cloth. In addition to the lug wrench for removing the wheel bolts, those tool kits included some pretty decent screwdrivers and wrenches. I found that nearly any simple task like this could be accomplished with the original tools. If you have any desire to learn how to do some of the light maintenance and repairs on your car, providing both money savings and personal satisfaction, this is a very good car on which to learn. For the most part, they are very easy to work on, especially for basic tasks that don't really require specialized knowledge or skills. And replacement parts are sometimes surprisingly inexpensive, especially through some of the mail-order suppliers we frequent. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 210K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Anaeis N > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:44 PM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: [db] tools for changing a battery > > > Can you tell me what kind of tools I'll need to disconnect the > battery? I have none, so I'll have to go out and buy some. The > more specific you can be, the better. > > Thanks very much! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:15:38 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: [db] Blower Motor Repair Last night, I changed the brushes in the blower motor in my '83 300D Turbo. Now, it works great. The only issue is that the armature was well worn with a deep grove in it. I'm thinking about going ahead and purchasing the motor. My question now is, how difficult is it to get the squirrel cage fan off of the motor shaft without destroying the cage? It appears that buying the motor with the fan is very expensive, $400+. I would need some way to hold the cage close to the shaft and tap out the shaft. Marc Z in NC. P.S. Diesel at $2.66/gal. Just in time for the election.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:36:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair the brushes will wear into the grooves... no worries... the democrats in our state just increased the tax on fuel, they care about us working folk... diesel is still $3.09 220 miles ago I paid $3.40 for my fuel... nice that it takes a while to use it... price comes down slowly. :) john On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Marc Z wrote: > -->Last night, I changed the brushes in the blower motor in my '83 300D Turbo. > -->Now, it works great. The only issue is that the armature was well worn with > -->a deep grove in it. I'm thinking about going ahead and purchasing the > -->motor. > -->My question now is, how difficult is it to get the squirrel cage fan off of > -->the motor shaft without destroying the cage? > --> > -->It appears that buying the motor with the fan is very expensive, $400+. I > -->would need some way to hold the cage close to the shaft and tap out the > -->shaft. > --> > -->Marc Z in NC. > --> > -->P.S. Diesel at $2.66/gal. Just in time for the election.... > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: I think we need a reality check... As much as I dislike the KJ, if I see a good deal on one of the Diesel variants I might get serious... hopefully within a couple of weeks I WILL have a Diesel Jeep. :) john On Thu, 21 Sep 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->But seriously, it is forcing the manufacturers to create >-->clean burning diesel engines and that IS a good thing. >-->I'm very interested in the BlueTec system from MB but just >-->can't afford one of those cars yet. I'll watch and see >-->how they fare and maybe get a used one in a few years... >--> >-->Jim >--> >-->> John, >-->> So glad to hear you say this!!! The global warming 'issues' subject is one >-->> of my pet hates... ever read "State of Fear" ISBN : 0061015733 ? Worth a >-->> read, it really is... for the factual content moreso than the fictional >-->> story that accompanies it (altho, that is also a reasonably good read). >-->> This media/politically generated hype works all across the board... remember >-->> the "Killer Bees from Africa" scare in the early '80s? What happened to >-->> them?? Actually.. in the '80's I remember we were told that we were entering >-->> an Ice age!! >-->> OK, You get where I'm coming from, I'm going to end my rant before I get >-->> started or I'll ruin my day ;-) >-->> >-->> Steve >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On 9/21/06, john wrote: >-->> > >-->> > thinking about this, this lawsuit could expose some of >-->> > the weakness in these arguments... we simply do not have >-->> > enough data to understand if there really is global warming >-->> > or if this is just part of a normal meterological cylce. >-->> > We have what, 100, 150 years of data? What's that in >-->> > relation to the percentage of time according to your world view? >-->> > >-->> > this is chicken little territory, more emotion than fact. wild >-->> > speculation with an agenda. what are the real facts? >-->> > >-->> > let's hope the auto industry employs real scientists to >-->> > deal with this logically instead of emotionally. >-->> > >-->> > john >-->> > >-->> > >-->> > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Ed Kummel wrote: >-->> > >-->> > >-->Didn't we already have a lawsuit like this...and it failed? 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Yahoo! >-->> > Small Business. >-->> > >--> >-->> > >-->> > ---- >-->> > >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 00:43:33 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair I agree that they'll wear into the grooves but the grooves are deep. It looks more like one big, deep, groove. More than 1/8 inch, less than 1/4 inch. Ok, how about 3/16 of an inch. One "brush" was worn more than the other. It seems that the spring is a little too strong (maybe wearing the brushes too fast). The brushes look like pieces of graphite. The dust was all over the place when I finished the job. I think that I heard that the gas tax increase for NC was recently repealed or placed on hold. Marc Z. john wrote: > the brushes will wear into the grooves... no worries... > > the democrats in our state just increased the tax on fuel, they > care about us working folk... diesel is still $3.09 > > 220 miles ago I paid $3.40 for my fuel... nice that it takes > a while to use it... price comes down slowly. :) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair you could smooth the shaft with some emery cloth... or take it out and weld it up a bit, then spin it and grind it down... or buy a new one... or live with it... I never turn brake rotors. Even if they're grooved... more surface area. If a rotor is warped I replace it with a power-slot or cross-drilled unit. john On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Marc Z wrote: > -->I agree that they'll wear into the grooves but the grooves are deep. It > -->looks more like one big, deep, groove. More than 1/8 inch, less than 1/4 > -->inch. Ok, how about 3/16 of an inch. > --> > -->One "brush" was worn more than the other. It seems that the spring is a > -->little too strong (maybe wearing the brushes too fast). The brushes look > -->like pieces of graphite. The dust was all over the place when I finished > -->the job. > --> > -->I think that I heard that the gas tax increase for NC was recently repealed > -->or placed on hold. > -->Marc Z. > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> the brushes will wear into the grooves... no worries... > -->> > -->> the democrats in our state just increased the tax on fuel, they > -->> care about us working folk... diesel is still $3.09 > -->> > -->> 220 miles ago I paid $3.40 for my fuel... nice that it takes > -->> a while to use it... price comes down slowly. :) > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:46:14 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] Blower Motor Repair This is on an 83? So it took 23 years to create this much wear, and you're worried that it won't last a little longer? I say just let it be. Run it until the repaired blower motor dies, which will probably be many years away. THEN decide what to do. Besides, R&R on that blower is so quick and easy, you can always pull it for a quick check every year. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 210K Quoting Marc Z : > I agree that they'll wear into the grooves but the grooves are deep. > It looks more like one big, deep, groove. More than 1/8 inch, less than > 1/4 inch. Ok, how about 3/16 of an inch. > > One "brush" was worn more than the other. It seems that the spring is a > little too strong (maybe wearing the brushes too fast). The brushes > look like pieces of graphite. The dust was all over the place when I > finished the job. > > I think that I heard that the gas tax increase for NC was recently > repealed or placed on hold. > > Marc Z. > > > john wrote: > > the brushes will wear into the grooves... no worries... > > > > the democrats in our state just increased the tax on fuel, they > > care about us working folk... diesel is still $3.09 > > > > 220 miles ago I paid $3.40 for my fuel... nice that it takes > > a while to use it... price comes down slowly. :) > > > > john ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2252 **********************************