From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Oct 20 09:46:19 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, October 20 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2281 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] brake query Re: [db] brake query Re: [db] brake query Re: [db] brake query Re: [db] brake query Re: [db] brake query Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:02:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] brake query http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/PARTS-SVC/parts-sources.html http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/engine-chassis-info.txt On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Susan Bernick wrote: > -->> > Rotors on the W123 are solid and would not be worn below specs for a > -->> > good long time...probably 300-400k miles or more. > --> > -->> > W126 rotors are slotted and I just had to replace my front ones on the > -->> > '85 300SD at about 252k miles. > --> > -->I found this today at www.buymbparts.com: > --> > -->Model Year Range Engine Chassis > -->European > -->Vintage > -->240D 77-83 616.912 123.123 > -->300CD Turbo 82-85 617.952 123.153 > -->300D Turbo 82-85 617.952 123.133 > -->300SD 81-85 617.951 126.120 > -->300TD Turbo Wagon 81-85 617.952 123.193 > -->380SEC 82-83 116.963 126.043 > -->380SEL 82-83 116.963 126.033 > -->380SL 82-85 116.962 107.045 > --> > -->http://buymbparts.com/resetsession.epc > --> > -->which suggests to me I have the 123 chassis. > --> > -->useful site for newbies like me; found a rear tail light lens for $175 > -->compared to the $200+ everybody else wanted. Will also call salvage > -->yards. > --> > -->Susan > --> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:34:55 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: [db] brake query hi! look again and read the text; PowerSlot ProStops are just "dimpled" to give the look of being drilled; yours are actually drilled with beveled edges. read the text i referred you towards earlier, and you'll see that PowerSlot does not condone the drilling of rotors. this page you recently referred to also makes references again to the ProStops having "the ^Slook^T of a cross drilled brake rotor without the inherent cracking problems". cheers! e john wrote: > mine ARE powerslots, the prostop's > > http://www.powerslot.com/pages/pro_stop.html > > compare: > > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/power-slotted-rotors.jpg > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, ernest breakfield wrote: > > >-->hi John! > >--> > >--> are you sure those are PowerSlots in the pic?? PowerSlot offers a dimpled rotor > >-->for cosmetics only; they seriously pooh-pooh drilling, but those in the pic are > >-->clearly drilled. > >--> check the "Learn More" tab at the bottom of this page: > >-->http://www.powerslot.com/pages/power_slot.html > >--> > >--> FWIW, PowerSlots were the only things i could put on my XJ that would handle the > >-->fully loaded rapid descents we seemed to frequently experience while playing on the > >-->logging roads of the Lost Coast or some of the Sierra passes we'd buzz on the way to > >-->and from the Dez... the way they shed heat went a long way to help reducing brake fade > >-->that resulted from the heat build-up with other rotors. pads and rotors both last > >-->longer now than the OEM stuff and some of the 'quality' after market stuff i tried. > >--> > >--> > >-->cheers! > >-->e > >--> > >--> > >-->john wrote: > >--> > >-->> these are on shadowfax, purchased at performance products: > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/power-slotted-rotors.jpg > >-->> > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Kevin wrote: > >-->> > >-->> >-->On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 03:03:26PM -0700, Greg Fiorentino wrote: > >-->> >-->> Perhaps I used the wrong term: > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> W126 front rotors are 2 disks, mostly hollow in between with 6 or so > >-->> >-->> webs joining them together. Perhaps that is "vented" rather than > >-->> >-->> slotted. The bottom line is that the braking surface thins out much > >-->> >-->> quicker than on a solid rotor. > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->Correct, but due to this 'venting', they don't heat up as fast and don't > >-->> >-->warp as easily. This is a problem with hard braking with stock, early 201 > >-->> >-->brakes, as they are solid rotors front and rear. 124 rotors can be made to > >-->> >-->work on a 201 if you want to stop on a dime and get six cents change from > >-->> >-->'stock mercedes' parts. Look on the performance products website for a picture > >-->> >-->of a slotted rotor, but basically take your 126 rotors and carve grooves in > >-->> >-->stopping surface. > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->I think the brakes wear out faster on a W126 than anything else due to its > >-->> >-->weight, not necessarily due to the venting. > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->K > >-->> >--> > >-->> > >-->> ---- > >-->> > >-->> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > >-->> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] brake query I agree, cross-drilling isn't good... I may have recycled the box already... will have to look for the receipt. john On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, ernest breakfield wrote: >-->hi! >--> >--> look again and read the text; PowerSlot ProStops are just "dimpled" to >-->give the look of >-->being drilled; yours are actually drilled with beveled edges. >--> read the text i referred you towards earlier, and you'll see that >-->PowerSlot does not >-->condone the drilling of rotors. this page you recently referred to also makes >-->references again >-->to the ProStops having "the ^Slook^T of a cross drilled brake rotor without the >-->inherent >-->cracking problems". >--> >--> >-->cheers! >-->e >--> >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->> mine ARE powerslots, the prostop's >-->> >-->> http://www.powerslot.com/pages/pro_stop.html >-->> >-->> compare: >-->> >-->> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/power-slotted-rotors.jpg >-->> >-->> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, ernest breakfield wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->hi John! >-->> >--> >-->> >--> are you sure those are PowerSlots in the pic?? PowerSlot offers a >-->dimpled rotor >-->> >-->for cosmetics only; they seriously pooh-pooh drilling, but those in the >-->pic are >-->> >-->clearly drilled. >-->> >--> check the "Learn More" tab at the bottom of this page: >-->> >-->http://www.powerslot.com/pages/power_slot.html >-->> >--> >-->> >--> FWIW, PowerSlots were the only things i could put on my XJ that >-->would handle the >-->> >-->fully loaded rapid descents we seemed to frequently experience while >-->playing on the >-->> >-->logging roads of the Lost Coast or some of the Sierra passes we'd buzz >-->on the way to >-->> >-->and from the Dez... the way they shed heat went a long way to help >-->reducing brake fade >-->> >-->that resulted from the heat build-up with other rotors. pads and rotors >-->both last >-->> >-->longer now than the OEM stuff and some of the 'quality' after market >-->stuff i tried. >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->cheers! >-->> >-->e >-->> >--> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->john wrote: >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> these are on shadowfax, purchased at performance products: >-->> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/power-slotted-rotors.jpg >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> john >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Kevin wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 03:03:26PM -0700, Greg Fiorentino wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> Perhaps I used the wrong term: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> W126 front rotors are 2 disks, mostly hollow in between with 6 >-->or so >-->> >-->> >-->> webs joining them together. Perhaps that is "vented" rather >-->than >-->> >-->> >-->> slotted. The bottom line is that the braking surface thins out >-->much >-->> >-->> >-->> quicker than on a solid rotor. >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->Correct, but due to this 'venting', they don't heat up as fast and >-->don't >-->> >-->> >-->warp as easily. This is a problem with hard braking with stock, >-->early 201 >-->> >-->> >-->brakes, as they are solid rotors front and rear. 124 rotors can be >-->made to >-->> >-->> >-->work on a 201 if you want to stop on a dime and get six cents >-->change from >-->> >-->> >-->'stock mercedes' parts. Look on the performance products website >-->for a picture >-->> >-->> >-->of a slotted rotor, but basically take your 126 rotors and carve >-->grooves in >-->> >-->> >-->stopping surface. >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->I think the brakes wear out faster on a W126 than anything else >-->due to its >-->> >-->> >-->weight, not necessarily due to the venting. >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->K >-->> >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html >-->** >-->> >-->> >-->------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ---- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://JohnMeister.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington USA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ** http://freegift.net *** http://greatcom.org/laws/languages.html ** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:00:52 -0500 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] brake query Quoting Susan Bernick : > > I found this today at www.buymbparts.com: > > Model Year Range Engine Chassis > European > Vintage > 240D 77-83 616.912 123.123 > 300CD Turbo 82-85 617.952 123.153 > 300D Turbo 82-85 617.952 123.133 > 300SD 81-85 617.951 126.120 > 300TD Turbo Wagon 81-85 617.952 123.193 > 380SEC 82-83 116.963 126.043 > 380SEL 82-83 116.963 126.033 > 380SL 82-85 116.962 107.045 > > http://buymbparts.com/resetsession.epc > > which suggests to me I have the 123 chassis. > > useful site for newbies like me; found a rear tail light lens for $175 > compared to the $200+ everybody else wanted. Will also call salvage > yards. > > Susan > > Yup. That's Rusty's site. Good stuff and top notch pricing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:52:58 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] brake query Move to MN. Give your car 3 winters there without washing it. Guaranteed to have natural a/c. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Kaidor" To: jslash-at-execpc.com CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] brake query Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:19:59 -0700 (PDT) > >> >God, I LOVE rust! I wish I could just get a car that was > >> >made all of rust! That would be keen! > >> > >> Find something British, or Italian, circa 1964. =( > >*** Old British cars have a sophisticated anti-corrosion system >that operates in the engine bay :). > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:40:18 -0700 From: "Susan Bernick" Subject: Re: [db] brake query Thought I should report the results: Through a recommendation by a buddy on the WetLeather micapeak list.... I ended up here: http://www.yourwrench.com/gallery/index.htm It's in Lynnwood, WA. Front rotors & pads, pads in the rear, just as I'd been told by the inspection report jack had done before he sold me the car. Threw in an oil change (and that is something I'll eventually learn to do myself, but it was 1000 miles overdue and I'm taking a trip this weekend). $445. It was extremely nice to drive to work this morning without having to worry about that yellow light flickering at me :-) Still looking for a left rear tail lens. I know a bunch of wrenches and I'm going to try to get one of them to volunteer to help me install it. Seems like less to ask of a friend than a brake job. Susan ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2281 **********************************