From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Dec 14 23:24:22 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, December 15 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2323 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] FIXED! FW: How to tell a non-turbo from a turbo diesel? [db] Cool diesel page RE: [db] FIXED! FW: How to tell a non-turbo from a turbo diesel? [db] administrivia: notes on using this list [db] interesting weather... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:36:58 -0500 (EST) From: ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net Subject: Re: [db] FIXED! FW: How to tell a non-turbo from a turbo diesel? Hey Waylon - at least you found where the ALDA tube was supposed to be and go from to. I have been poking around under the hood of my 93 300D turbo and can't seem to even locate the beastie. Where is it? Give me a pointer on what to look nearest to? My car is a slug when floored and I am beginning to suspect a similar problem. TIA Edward > And the winner is? > > ALDA. > > Seems the 'professional' mechanic could remember to hook the hose from > the ALDA to the 'relay' but threw away the hose from the 'relay' to the > intake manifold. I used my 300 SD to compare. > > I hooked up a piece of hose from the intake barb to the ALDA and went > for a quick blast. > > Much better! > > Came back home to see a long black streak on the road(about 30 feet > long). It's not what your thinking, see below. > > I noticed that when I left I made a LOT of black smoke - enough to leave > a 30 ft long black line of soot on the road. It only happened the one > time and has been great since(stuck ALDA?). > > Thanks for the answers - got me motivated enough to get my lazy arse > under the hood. I've been driving it this way since I got it(about 9 > months and 18K miles). > > Waylon Black > Little Elm, Texas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:06 PM > To: Mark Frost > Cc: Black, Waylon; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] How to tell a non-turbo from a turbo diesel? > >> Waylon, >> The benefits of the turbocharger will only be seen if the IP is > delivering >> additional fuel to match the additional air supplied by the turbo. >> >> Additional enrichment is provided by the ALDA unit on the injector > pump. > > *** It's possible for the ALDA to just be out of adjustment. There is > a screw at the top. My 300SD went from seriously lame to just fine > with a 1/4 turn of that screw. > > - Jerry Kaidor > > > > > >> >> Other reasons for lame performance: >> Restricted air/fuel flow (change filters) >> Restricted throttle travel (check linkage to make sure pedal-on-floor >> translates to throttle against stop. >> >> Let us know what you find, >> Mark Frost >> >> >> On 12/11/06, Black, Waylon wrote: >>> >>> Aside from the obvious. >>> >>> What I mean is how can one tell that the installed long block is >>> actually a turbo diesel? >>> >>> I bought a 1983 300D turbo from the back lot of a repair shop. > Looking >>> under the hood - it appears that the engine has been replaced. The > car >>> has never been as strong as my 116 300SD - which will run off and > hide >>> from this 300D. The turbo appears fine and even sound like it is >>> working. >>> >>> The 300D's power is somewhere between my mom's 240D and my SD. What I >>> expect a 300D non-turbo would be like. Engine is silky smooth, starts >>> easily in freezing temps, etc. >>> >>> I have heard/read that if you add the turbo hardware to a non-turbo >>> motor, the power increase will be little to none as the additional > air >>> will not have the additional fuel required by the turbo motors(IP and >>> injectors). >>> >>> I can see where a sleazy shop would/could by a non-turbo >>> engine(cheaper), add the hardware/oil pan but not replace install the >>> turbo's injectors/IP(no need to adjust timing). >>> >>> Any thoughts opinions are welcomed. >>> >>> Waylon Black >>> Little Elm, Texas >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> "There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." >> --Dave Barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:00:40 -0500 From: "Black, Waylon" Subject: [db] Cool diesel page http://dieselgiant.com/mercedes_diesel_maintenance_tips.htm Cool diesel page. Waylon Black Little Elm, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:14:16 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] FIXED! FW: How to tell a non-turbo from a turbo diesel? Sorry, but the engine in a 93 is a completely different beastie from that in an early 80s model. The altitude and boost compensation is I believe handled in a much different, and much less tinker-friendly, manner. The ALDA conversations usually apply only to the 80-85 OM617 3-liter 5-cylinder turbodiesel. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 214K > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 5:37 PM > To: Black, Waylon > Cc: Jerry Kaidor; Mark Frost; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] FIXED! FW: How to tell a non-turbo from a turbo > diesel? > > > Hey Waylon - at least you found where the ALDA tube was supposed to be and > go from to. I have been poking around under the hood of my 93 300D turbo > and can't seem to even locate the beastie. Where is it? Give me a pointer > on what to look nearest to? My car is a slug when floored and I am > beginning to suspect a similar problem. > > TIA > > Edward > > > And the winner is? > > > > ALDA. > > > > Seems the 'professional' mechanic could remember to hook the hose from > > the ALDA to the 'relay' but threw away the hose from the 'relay' to the > > intake manifold. I used my 300 SD to compare. > > > > I hooked up a piece of hose from the intake barb to the ALDA and went > > for a quick blast. > > > > Much better! > > > > Came back home to see a long black streak on the road(about 30 feet > > long). It's not what your thinking, see below. > > > > I noticed that when I left I made a LOT of black smoke - enough to leave > > a 30 ft long black line of soot on the road. It only happened the one > > time and has been great since(stuck ALDA?). > > > > Thanks for the answers - got me motivated enough to get my lazy arse > > under the hood. I've been driving it this way since I got it(about 9 > > months and 18K miles). > > > > Waylon Black > > Little Elm, Texas > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jerry Kaidor [mailto:jerry-at-tr2.com] > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:06 PM > > To: Mark Frost > > Cc: Black, Waylon; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > Subject: Re: [db] How to tell a non-turbo from a turbo diesel? > > > >> Waylon, > >> The benefits of the turbocharger will only be seen if the IP is > > delivering > >> additional fuel to match the additional air supplied by the turbo. > >> > >> Additional enrichment is provided by the ALDA unit on the injector > > pump. > > > > *** It's possible for the ALDA to just be out of adjustment. There is > > a screw at the top. My 300SD went from seriously lame to just fine > > with a 1/4 turn of that screw. > > > > - Jerry Kaidor > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> Other reasons for lame performance: > >> Restricted air/fuel flow (change filters) > >> Restricted throttle travel (check linkage to make sure pedal-on-floor > >> translates to throttle against stop. > >> > >> Let us know what you find, > >> Mark Frost > >> > >> > >> On 12/11/06, Black, Waylon wrote: > >>> > >>> Aside from the obvious. > >>> > >>> What I mean is how can one tell that the installed long block is > >>> actually a turbo diesel? > >>> > >>> I bought a 1983 300D turbo from the back lot of a repair shop. > > Looking > >>> under the hood - it appears that the engine has been replaced. The > > car > >>> has never been as strong as my 116 300SD - which will run off and > > hide > >>> from this 300D. The turbo appears fine and even sound like it is > >>> working. > >>> > >>> The 300D's power is somewhere between my mom's 240D and my SD. What I > >>> expect a 300D non-turbo would be like. Engine is silky smooth, starts > >>> easily in freezing temps, etc. > >>> > >>> I have heard/read that if you add the turbo hardware to a non-turbo > >>> motor, the power increase will be little to none as the additional > > air > >>> will not have the additional fuel required by the turbo motors(IP and > >>> injectors). > >>> > >>> I can see where a sleazy shop would/could by a non-turbo > >>> engine(cheaper), add the hardware/oil pan but not replace install the > >>> turbo's injectors/IP(no need to adjust timing). > >>> > >>> Any thoughts opinions are welcomed. > >>> > >>> Waylon Black > >>> Little Elm, Texas > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "There is a fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'." > >> --Dave Barry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:16:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] interesting weather... we're having a "little" wind.... Highly unusual.. with trees wind is not a good thing... they've closed the 520 floating bridge just a few minutes ago... 63 mph winds on the bridge, yes, you heard me right, a "floating" concrete bridge... just north of bill gates little beachside cottage... waves were crashing over the lanes of traffic... anyway, it's gusting and blowing... two people already dead... trees falling down... worst is yet to come... and then more snow on saturday morning... power coming and going... hopefully I can get this out before we lose power again... Not at the peak of the storm, it's 11pm, will last until 4am... so, if you don't hear from me for a while... :) (have school tomorrow and Saturday, last class... :) john http://my.netscape.com/corewidgets/news/story.psp?cat=51280&id=2006121501170001404289 http://www.komotv.com/news/4915091.html - -------------------- Thursday, Dec. 14, 2006 Storm Cuts Power in Northwest; 2 Dead PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - A powerful storm socked the Pacific Northwest with heavy rain and wind gusts close to 100 mph Thursday, flooding streets, toppling trees and cutting power to thousands. Two deaths were blamed on the storm. <...> A wind gust of 97 mph was recorded at Rockaway Beach, Ore. The Hood Canal Floating Bridge, which links Washington's Kitsap and Olympic peninsulas, was closed after winds gusted to 74 mph. Rain drenched Seattle's Qwest Field just before the NFL game between the Seahawks and the San Francisco 49ers. A power surge briefly knocked out the large video screens at both ends of the stadium. Flooding stalled traffic in parts of Seattle, and falling trees and debris forced the closure of several highways in Oregon and Washington. ``It's just too unsafe out there to take chances with people's lives,'' said Bob Doran of the Oregon Department of Transportation. ``The brunt of the storm hasn't yet hit, so we are expecting more trees to come down later tonight.'' In Washington, a falling tree crushed the truck of a couple who stopped their pickup because of downed trees, Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said. The woman was killed and the man was cut from the wreckage and taken to Madigan Army Medical Center in critical condition. A man who swerved his car to avoid a fallen tree died when he hit another tree, Troyer said. The storm also hindered rescue workers searching for three climbers on Oregon's Mount Hood. Some searchers planned to stay on the mountain in hopes that the weather would break. The National Weather Service said as much as 8 inches of rain was expected on the coast and 5 inches in the Cascade Range, with snow at higher elevations. The weather service issued flood watches along many rivers in both states. - ----------- SEATTLE (AP) - Heavy rains and strong winds pelted Western Washington on Thursday, closing a major bridge, inundating roads and causing power surges at Qwest Field here before the Seattle Seahawks' football game. The Hood Canal Floating Bridge, linking the Kitsap and Olympic peninsulas west of here, was closed shortly after 8 p.m. after winds there gusted to 74 mph, the state Department of Transportation said. Earlier in the evening, 70 mph gusts were recorded at Ocean Shores, on the Washington coast, the National Weather Service said. Windblown trees briefly closed numerous highways around the western part of the state, the Transportation Department said. ... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2323 **********************************