From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Dec 18 12:42:39 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, December 18 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2326 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] run house off car? Re: [db] run house off car? - no... [db] OT: popcorn ready? Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D Re: [db] run house off car? Re: [db] run house off car? Re: [db] run house off car? [db] Off-Roaders Fight Ecos for Calif. Canyon (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 21:24:57 -0500 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? You have 70A -at- 14V with your '93 300D. I don't have the performance curve, but I would guess you would need to run the motor at 3K RPM to get that output. Feed that through an inverter, and you'd be lucky to get 6A -at-115 in continuous service. Maybe you could run your fridge, maybe your oil burner. Not both. I would also guess that you'd be replacing the voltage regulator when you're done. Mike Frank At 08:29 PM 12/17/2006, you wrote: >With all the recent power grid issues, I had a wacky >thought: Is it possible to use my (diesel) car as a >generator for the house on an emergency basis? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 18:47:05 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? - no... a generator would be a safer bet... your car is a very inefficient generator... I'd recommend just using a battery with a power inverter to run something and then bring the battery with a charger someplace that has power... like here. ;) not worth the wear and tear on your car... so, are you without power? just moved my daughter from kingsgate to juanita... both places out of power (kirkland, wa area)... amazing... it's like a 3rd world country... in the apt. parking lot some guy started cussing one of my friends out... we were sitting along the curb in a wide open area trying to reach someone via cell and this guy goes after my friend cussing him out and telling him to move, even though we weren't blocking anything... I thought I was going to have to get out of the jeep and pull the guy off of my friend or worse... my friend went to his car and the guy backed off, not exactly normal PNW behavior... weird... lose power for a week and people revert to barbarians. funny, the guy was right alongside my jeep but didn't even address me, just the guy standing outside... must have been high as a kite... not exactly the behavior one wants to see in his daughter's new neighborhood... thought it was a nice area too... oh well, all is well, no power though down there... we're doing fine... I tanked up my benz (mlc) the day before the big storm... john On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->With all the recent power grid issues, I had a wacky >-->thought: Is it possible to use my (diesel) car as a >-->generator for the house on an emergency basis? (For >-->example, to run the heater fan/ignition, chill the >-->fridge, etc., but not necessarily running 24/7.) >--> >-->I know they sell powerful inverters, but can the >-->car's electrical system provide the amperage needed? >-->And without damaging the car? >--> >-->Hope everyone else here in the NW has their power >-->back by now! (We were lucky and got ours back late >-->on Friday.) >--> >-->-bkc >-->Lynnwood, WA >-->'76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] >-->'93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] >-->'92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) >-->'00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold, hopefully) >--> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:02:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] OT: popcorn ready? someone buy this Willys Wagon and keep me out of trouble... http://wagoneers.com/Willys/60_Wagon/ It's so very, very tempting... I can imagine a nice Mercedes 3.0L TD under the hood.. mounted to divorced xfr case... and since I'm quite happy after 31 years of marriage, the only thing I want divorced in my life is a transfer case... so, having reaching my limit of 9 Jeeps I must pass on this one... even though it is WHITE. ;) My '91 GW comes home this week... my '48 CJ-2A isn't far behind it... (soon as my buddy gets power restored... that windstorm has had him without power since the storm... maybe tomorrow...) Actually, I'll only have 5 Jeeps when it's all done... ;) we'll see... I doubt my wonderful wife is going to let me keep all of these beauties... :) the '99 WJ is going no where... the '90 xj is my son's... the '48 cj doesn't really count... the '75 J10 is a trailer... that leaves the debate centered on whether or not to keep the '91 GW and/or the '83 J10. The J10 is getting a 6.2L Diesel, and will run on WVO... so that puts the '91 GW at risk... however, if I can find a nice 6.5L TD for it... ...keep the popcorn fresh folks... it ain't over until all the fleet has found it's final parking space in Snohomish... right now there are only 4 Jeeps here... by the end of the month 6... So, bottom line... SOMEONE please by my friend's '60 Willys Wagon, now. thanx, john 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo (WJ) 4.7L V8/45RFE/NV 247 (Quadradrive) # 1991 Mercedes 300D (124) 2.5L Turbo Diesel/AT(Shadowfax) 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (SJ) 5.9/727/np229 (Omega) # 1990 Jeep Cherokee (XJ) 4.0/AW4/np242 1983 Jeep J10 Stepside (SJ) (Superdawg) was 4.2L I-6/T-5/NP208 --> 6.2L/700R4/NP219 1975 Jeep J10 (SJ)Bed/trailer hydraulic dump # 1967 Jeep J100 (SJ)Panel (Rambo) -o|||||o- 1948 Willys CJ-2A 2.0L/T90/Spicer 18 (Alpha) # 1947 Willys CJ-2A 2.0L/T90/Spicer 18 (for sale) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html # - will probably leave the flock... ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:16:07 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D I am starting to consider it. I have a friend that went half on it as an experimental cummuter project. I think the master has failed. I am going to swap the one from the parts car. I do have spares that might be available. I just don't have available time. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: Allen Zylstra Subject: Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:12:43 -0800 (PST) > >ready to part it? :) > >john > >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > >-->John, I have the Frybrid valves on my 300D. The valves work great. > >--> > >-->I haven't used the car much due to the brakes not working now. Car has > >-->been neglected so it has alot of issues. > >--> > >-->Allen > >--> > >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > >--> From: john > >--> To: Bruce Caruthers > >--> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > >--> Subject: Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D > >--> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:38:31 -0800 (PST) > >--> >talked to the guy... it's the SINGLE tank kit, > >--> >new cost on the kit is $425.00 > >--> > > >--> >car sounds nice overall... non-turbo, with > >--> >aged electrical/vacuum system... doesn't turn off > >--> >automtatically, locks don't work, brakes don't have > >--> >vac boost, etc. > >--> > > >--> >http://www.lovecraftbiofuels.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=1&Itemid=26 > >--> > > >--> > > >--> >looking at some of the parts though for my rig, > >--> >also looked at this site: > >--> > > >--> >http://www.frybrid.com/kittest.htm > >--> > > >--> >thanx bruce, > >--> >john > >--> > > >--> >On Sat, 9 Dec 2006, Bruce Caruthers wrote: > >--> > > >--> > >-->Saw this browsing through Craigslist... > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->-bkc > >--> > >-->Lynnwood, WA > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->-- > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/245759948.html > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->-- > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->1977 mercedes 300d w/ single-tank Vegetable oil conversion kit > >--> - $800 > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->Reply to: sale-245759948-at-craigslist.org > >--> > >-->Date: 2006-12-07, 7:46PM PST > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->1977 mercedes 300d w/ single-tank Lovecraft > >--> > >-->Vegetable oil conversion kit (lovecraftbiofuels dot > >--> > >-->com) > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->I bought this as a spare-parts car with the idea of > >--> > >-->eventually fixing it up... well, you know the end of > >--> > >-->the story! It still runs (rather roughly), has > >--> > >-->various fluid-leaks and of late electrical problems, > >--> > >-->so I am only trying to recoup the cost of the > >--> > >-->conversion kit. > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->If no takers, I will be donating it!! > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->* This item has been posted by-owner. > >--> > >-->* Location: Seattle > >--> > >--> > >--> > > >--> > ----- > >--> > > >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >--> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > >--> mold > >-->All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day > >-->trial! > >--> > > ----- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold WIN up to $10,000 in cash or prizes ^V enter the Microsoft Office Live Sweepstakes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:33:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D well, I'm interested in the waste veggie oil hardware/valves and heaters if you start parting... :) john On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->I am starting to consider it. I have a friend that went half on it as an >-->experimental cummuter project. I think the master has failed. I am >-->going to swap the one from the parts car. I do have spares that might be >-->available. I just don't have available time. >--> >-->Allen >--> >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> From: john >--> To: Allen Zylstra >--> Subject: Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D >--> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 13:12:43 -0800 (PST) >--> > >--> >ready to part it? :) >--> > >--> >john >--> > >--> >On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Allen Zylstra wrote: >--> > >--> > >-->John, I have the Frybrid valves on my 300D. The valves work >--> great. >--> > >--> >--> > >-->I haven't used the car much due to the brakes not working >--> now. Car has >--> > >-->been neglected so it has alot of issues. >--> > >--> >--> > >-->Allen >--> > >--> >--> > >--> >--> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> > >--> >--> > >--> From: john >--> > >--> To: Bruce Caruthers >--> > >--> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >--> > >--> Subject: Re: [db] Craigslist '77 300D >--> > >--> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 19:38:31 -0800 (PST) >--> > >--> >talked to the guy... it's the SINGLE tank kit, >--> > >--> >new cost on the kit is $425.00 >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> >car sounds nice overall... non-turbo, with >--> > >--> >aged electrical/vacuum system... doesn't turn off >--> > >--> >automtatically, locks don't work, brakes don't have >--> > >--> >vac boost, etc. >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> >--> >http://www.lovecraftbiofuels.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=1&Itemid=26 >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> >looking at some of the parts though for my rig, >--> > >--> >also looked at this site: >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> >http://www.frybrid.com/kittest.htm >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> >thanx bruce, >--> > >--> >john >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> >On Sat, 9 Dec 2006, Bruce Caruthers wrote: >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > >-->Saw this browsing through Craigslist... >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->-bkc >--> > >--> > >-->Lynnwood, WA >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->-- >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/245759948.html >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->-- >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->1977 mercedes 300d w/ single-tank Vegetable oil >--> conversion kit >--> > >--> - $800 >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->Reply to: sale-245759948-at-craigslist.org >--> > >--> > >-->Date: 2006-12-07, 7:46PM PST >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->1977 mercedes 300d w/ single-tank Lovecraft >--> > >--> > >-->Vegetable oil conversion kit (lovecraftbiofuels dot >--> > >--> > >-->com) >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->I bought this as a spare-parts car with the idea of >--> > >--> > >-->eventually fixing it up... well, you know the end of >--> > >--> > >-->the story! It still runs (rather roughly), has >--> > >--> > >-->various fluid-leaks and of late electrical problems, >--> > >--> > >-->so I am only trying to recoup the cost of the >--> > >--> > >-->conversion kit. >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->If no takers, I will be donating it!! >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >-->* This item has been posted by-owner. >--> > >--> > >-->* Location: Seattle >--> > >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> > ----- >--> > >--> > >--> > >--> >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> > >--> > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> > >--> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't >--> rust, they >--> > >--> mold >--> > >-->All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free >--> 90-day >--> > >-->trial! >--> > >--> >--> > >--> > ----- >--> > >--> >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >--> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they >--> mold >-->WIN up to $10,000 in cash or prizes ^V enter the Microsoft Office Live >-->Sweepstakes >--> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:28:17 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? They make very nice generators that run off the PTO of a farm tractor. Could you figure out another way to drive the input shaft of the PTO generator? It might be easier to buy an old farm tractor and PTO unit. Got any other chores that an old farm tractor w/3pt hitch could do? Just a thought... Jim > With all the recent power grid issues, I had a wacky > thought: Is it possible to use my (diesel) car as a > generator for the house on an emergency basis? (For > example, to run the heater fan/ignition, chill the > fridge, etc., but not necessarily running 24/7.) > > I know they sell powerful inverters, but can the > car's electrical system provide the amperage needed? > And without damaging the car? > > Hope everyone else here in the NW has their power > back by now! (We were lucky and got ours back late > on Friday.) > > -bkc > Lynnwood, WA > '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] > '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] > '92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) > '00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold, hopefully) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:50:49 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? >They make very nice generators that run off the PTO of >a farm tractor. Could you figure out another way to >drive the input shaft of the PTO generator? It might >be easier to buy an old farm tractor and PTO unit. Jack the car up on some (very!) sturdy stands. Run a big belt off the rear wheel to the drive of the generator motor, put her in "drive" and go. ;) I remember seeing a very old photo of a local ski area (Steven's Pass maybe) running a lift off an old Ford pickup like this. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? hey, there's a thought, my cJ-2a has a pto setup, a generator for a pto should be pretty cheap... cool. I could run my welder off of it!!!! any info? john On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->They make very nice generators that run off the PTO of >-->a farm tractor. Could you figure out another way to >-->drive the input shaft of the PTO generator? It might >-->be easier to buy an old farm tractor and PTO unit. Got >-->any other chores that an old farm tractor w/3pt hitch >-->could do? >--> >-->Just a thought... >--> >-->Jim >--> >-->> With all the recent power grid issues, I had a wacky >-->> thought: Is it possible to use my (diesel) car as a >-->> generator for the house on an emergency basis? (For >-->> example, to run the heater fan/ignition, chill the >-->> fridge, etc., but not necessarily running 24/7.) >-->> >-->> I know they sell powerful inverters, but can the >-->> car's electrical system provide the amperage needed? >-->> And without damaging the car? >-->> >-->> Hope everyone else here in the NW has their power >-->> back by now! (We were lucky and got ours back late >-->> on Friday.) >-->> >-->> -bkc >-->> Lynnwood, WA >-->> '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] >-->> '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] >-->> '92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) >-->> '00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold, hopefully) >--> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 12:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Off-Roaders Fight Ecos for Calif. Canyon (fwd) fyi ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Sent from Express News BALLARAT, Calif. - Whoever named Surprise Canyon got it right. Mere miles from bone-dry Death Valley, the canyon cradles two unexpected jewels: a gushing mountain stream and what's left of a once-bustling silver mining town. These treasures have attracted visitors for decades - and now they're at the heart of a legal battle between off-road drivers and environmentalists. Five years ago environmentalists successfully sued to get the narrow canyon and its spring-fed waterfalls closed to vehicles, arguing that the federal Bureau of Land Management was not carrying out its duty to protect the land. In response, more than 80 off-roaders purchased tiny pockets of private land at the top of the canyon, and now they're suing the federal government for access to their property, arguing that the canyon is a public right of way. It is one of several recent cases that could unlock thousands of miles of roads in federally protected parks around the West. The fight over Surprise Canyon boils down to whether the rights of private property owners trump the protection of a fragile oasis on public land. The off-roaders have dusted off a Civil War-era mining law that places the public access rights of local governments and private individuals above the rights of the federal government. Environmental groups allege that, before they won protection for the area in 2001, off-roaders destroyed the canyon by cutting trees, dumping boulders in the water and using winches to drag their Jeeps up the waterfalls. They are seeking to intervene in the off-roaders' lawsuit. Since 2001, the canyon has regenerated, with new vegetation attracting wildlife. "It's almost unbelievable what's up there. It's precious, it's pristine," said Tom Budlong, an activist who regularly hikes the canyon about 200 miles northeast of his Los Angeles home. "I shudder to think of the extreme four-wheelers getting back into the canyon and making a road where there is now no road." Once there was a road - a 130-year-old gravel route that flash floods washed away nearly two decades ago. Off-roaders continued driving up the rugged canyon stream bed to reach the ghost town of Panamint City, which has easily explorable mine shafts, the remains of a smelter, some mine carts and a few cabins. The canyon grows from an arid plain just north of the one-house desert outpost of Ballarat and climbs 3,700 feet over five miles to Panamint City, inside Death Valley National Park. Most of Surprise Canyon is outside the park boundary. Flycatchers flit among thick stands of willows and cottonwood trees that crowd along the stream. Less common birds have been spotted since the area was closed to vehicles, notably the endangered Inyo California towhee, said Chris Kassar, an Arizona-based biologist with the Center for Biological Diversity. Other sensitive species such as the Panamint daisy and the Panamint alligator lizard also are flourishing, she said. Kassar and others believe the canyon's ecosystem could crumble if the off-roaders prevail in their lawsuit, filed in August. The off-roaders argue that, under an 1866 mining law, the canyon still is a public right of way even though the road is long gone. "The issue is not off-roading and environmental issues. The legal issue is access," said plaintiffs' attorney Karen Budd-Falen. "If the road was once there and it's eroded out it's still a public access. The fact that it has been flooded out doesn't make the legal issue go away." Similar arguments are being used in right-of-way lawsuits elsewhere in the West. In 2004, San Juan County in Utah sued the National Park Service, claiming a creek in Canyonlands National Park was once a county road. Environmental groups have sought to intervene in that case, which is before the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Inyo County recently sued the same agency over four dirt roads in Death Valley National Park, and San Bernardino County sued over 14 roads in the Mojave National Preserve. Both suits allege the roads were county property before the federal government closed them. Off-roaders say they just want to visit their property and explore the ghost town. "I respect what was there and I want it to be there for my kids to see," said Dale Walton, a member of the Bakersfield Trailblazers off-roading club and a property owner. "I resent people who go in and destroy things, but I resent more people that say 'You just can't go in there because we don't want you to go in there,'" he said. By GILLIAN FLACCUS Associated Press Writer ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2326 **********************************