From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Dec 19 13:14:39 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, December 19 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2328 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] run house off car? Re: [db] run house off car? [db] Leaking fuel filter Re: [db] run house off car? Re: [db] Leaking fuel filter Re: [db] Leaking fuel filter Re: [db] run house off car? Re: [db] run house off car? [db] small world [db] Cruise control question Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:23:39 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? Power take off. Used to power a variety of farm equipment. Old tractors use to be rated by both there PTO horsepower and the drawbar horsepower. The link below explains how it works in more detail with an emphasis on safety. I have seen many old farmer that have been disfigured from them. I used them to power the post hole digger and the log splitter. It is essentially a driveshaft. http://www.cdc.gov/nasd/docs/d000701-d000800/d000745/d000745.html Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Caruthers Reply-To: Bruce Caruthers To: diesel-benz-at-Digest.net Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:41:10 -0800 >At risk of showing my complete ignorance, what is >a PTO? > >Thanks for all the feedback on my brainfart. I >definitely was suspicious of whether it would work, >given the amperage and such, combined with the >wiring gauge in the cars, but was hoping I might be >able to jury-rig something safely for the rare time >I need it. :) > >Any suggestions for a decent, relatively quiet >diesel generator for a regular residential home, >which would only rarely be used? > >Thanks! > -bkc >Lynnwood, WA >'76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] >'93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] >'92 Toyota Celica GT (wife's old car) >'00 MB ML320 [W163.154/M112.942] (to be sold, hopefully) > >On Mon Dec 18, 2006, John Meister wrote: > > hey, there's a thought, my cJ-2a has a pto setup, > > a generator for a pto should be pretty cheap... > > > > cool. I could run my welder off of it!!!! > > > > any info? > > > > john > > > > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > > > >-->They make very nice generators that run off the PTO of > > >-->a farm tractor. Could you figure out another way to > > >-->drive the input shaft of the PTO generator? It might > > >-->be easier to buy an old farm tractor and PTO unit. Got > > >-->any other chores that an old farm tractor w/3pt hitch > > >-->could do? > > >--> > > >-->Just a thought... > > >--> > > >-->Jim > > >--> > > >-->> With all the recent power grid issues, I had a wacky > > >-->> thought: Is it possible to use my (diesel) car as a > > >-->> generator for the house on an emergency basis? (For > > >-->> example, to run the heater fan/ignition, chill the > > >-->> fridge, etc., but not necessarily running 24/7.) > > >-->> > > >-->> I know they sell powerful inverters, but can the > > >-->> car's electrical system provide the amperage needed? > > >-->> And without damaging the car? > > >-->> > > >-->> Hope everyone else here in the NW has their power > > >-->> back by now! (We were lucky and got ours back late > > >-->> on Friday.) > > >-->> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get FREE Web site and company branded e-mail from Microsoft Office Live ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:56:58 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? There are actually pretty rare 3pt hitches designed just for early CJ style Jeeps. There are special impliments for them too. The idea was to allow an owner of a Jeep to use it as a tractor instead of having to buy a tractor too. Since the Jeeps already had a PTO (power take-off) setup I understand they worked pretty well. I've seen some photos of the 3pt setups and they look pretty cool. Jim > yep on the pto... > nope on the diesel gen, you > shouldn't lose power enough... > > I want a gen/welder, prefer a pto unit... > john > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > >-->Bruce Caruthers wrote: > >-->> > >-->> At risk of showing my complete ignorance, what is > >-->> a PTO? > >-->> > >-->*** Power Take Off, I think. > >--> > >-->> Any suggestions for a decent, relatively quiet > >-->> diesel generator for a regular residential home, > >-->> which would only rarely be used? > >-->> > >-->*** I've always drooled over the Honda suitcase > >-->generators. They're unbelievably quiet. Probably > >-->too small for house backup, tho. > >--> > >--> - Jerry Kaidor > >--> > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:38:03 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: [db] Leaking fuel filter Y'all, Ernestine, my '95 E300 Diesel, is leaking fuel from the spin on filter. Actually, it's coming from the emergency shutoff valve on top of it. I don't know if this setup is unique to the 606 engines or not. My '81 240D and '84 300SD had the "kill" switch on the throttle linkage. This '95 is different. Instead of a bolt on top of the spin on fuel filter housing, there is with a knob. To "kill" the engine, you are supposed to turn the knob all the way clockwise. Once the engine stops, you spin it the other way until it's tight. That works, but the engine stays running when the knob is all the way clockwise. It will die when you are about 3/4 towards the end. Returning the knob fully counter clockwise allows the engine to start and run, but fuel is leaking from under the knob. Is this part available separately? I'll be stopping by the dealer on the way to work today to find out. I suspect they'll have to order it. I don't mind the smell of diesel, but would really rather have a dry engine bay. I'm also taking a mpg hit as I'm only getting 30 mpg instead of the normal 33.3. Anyone run into this before? Jon '95 E300D "Ernestine" '84 300SD "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:05:07 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? Here are some articles... http://www.farmjeep.com/ http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/FarmJeep.html http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3b/FarmJeep2.html http://www.cj-3a.com/tale_of_the_jeep_tractor_and_the.htm Actually, Googling for "Farm Jeep" gives a whole BUNCH of info... Jim > yep on the pto... > nope on the diesel gen, you > shouldn't lose power enough... > > I want a gen/welder, prefer a pto unit... > john > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > >-->Bruce Caruthers wrote: > >-->> > >-->> At risk of showing my complete ignorance, what is > >-->> a PTO? > >-->> > >-->*** Power Take Off, I think. > >--> > >-->> Any suggestions for a decent, relatively quiet > >-->> diesel generator for a regular residential home, > >-->> which would only rarely be used? > >-->> > >-->*** I've always drooled over the Honda suitcase > >-->generators. They're unbelievably quiet. Probably > >-->too small for house backup, tho. > >--> > >--> - Jerry Kaidor > >--> > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:08:42 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Leaking fuel filter It's unique to the 606, and it's an incredibly stupid design. In ideal circumstances, it takes forever to shut the motor off. More than enough time for serious engine damage to occur from say, a self-destructing vacuum pump. I had to replace mine because the knob was broken by the previous owner. To make it even worse, the part lists for $90. I would check the O-rings first (included with the better filters) before spending that kind of money. J.B. Hebert - ---------------------------------------------- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ At 01:38 PM 12/19/2006, you wrote: >Y'all, > >Ernestine, my '95 E300 Diesel, is leaking fuel from the spin on filter. >Actually, it's coming from the emergency shutoff valve on top of it. > >I don't know if this setup is unique to the 606 engines or not. My >'81 240D and '84 300SD had the "kill" switch on the throttle >linkage. This '95 is different. Instead of a bolt on top of the >spin on fuel filter housing, there is with a knob. To "kill" the >engine, you are supposed to turn the knob all the way clockwise. >Once the engine stops, you spin it the other way until it's >tight. That works, but the engine stays running when the knob is >all the way clockwise. It will die when you are about 3/4 towards >the end. Returning the knob fully counter clockwise allows the >engine to start and run, but fuel is leaking from under the knob. > >Is this part available separately? > >I'll be stopping by the dealer on the way to work today to find >out. I suspect they'll have to order it. > >I don't mind the smell of diesel, but would really rather have a dry >engine bay. I'm also taking a mpg hit as I'm only getting 30 mpg >instead of the normal 33.3. >Anyone run into this before? > >Jon >'95 E300D "Ernestine" >'84 300SD "Bruno" > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.22/590 - Release Date: >12/16/2006 5:39 PM - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.22/590 - Release Date: 12/16/2006 5:39 PM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:58:02 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Leaking fuel filter sounds like an o-ring... similiar issue on my '91 300d with leakage... john On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jon Filina wrote: > -->Y'all, > --> > -->Ernestine, my '95 E300 Diesel, is leaking fuel from the spin on filter. > -->Actually, it's coming from the emergency shutoff valve on top of it. > --> > -->I don't know if this setup is unique to the 606 engines or not. My '81 240D > -->and '84 300SD had the "kill" switch on the throttle linkage. This '95 is > -->different. Instead of a bolt on top of the spin on fuel filter housing, > -->there is with a knob. To "kill" the engine, you are supposed to turn the > -->knob all the way clockwise. Once the engine stops, you spin it the other way > -->until it's tight. That works, but the engine stays running when the knob is > -->all the way clockwise. It will die when you are about 3/4 towards the end. > -->Returning the knob fully counter clockwise allows the engine to start and > -->run, but fuel is leaking from under the knob. > --> > -->Is this part available separately? > --> > -->I'll be stopping by the dealer on the way to work today to find out. I > -->suspect they'll have to order it. > --> > -->I don't mind the smell of diesel, but would really rather have a dry engine > -->bay. I'm also taking a mpg hit as I'm only getting 30 mpg instead of the > -->normal 33.3. > -->Anyone run into this before? > --> > -->Jon > -->'95 E300D "Ernestine" > -->'84 300SD "Bruno" > --> > --> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:07:47 -0500 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? Well, you'd need a 3pt setup for the 3pt generator that runs off a PTO... ;) Jim > monroe makes one that sits in the bed... won't > need the three point setup for the gen/welder though. > > john > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > >-->There are actually pretty rare 3pt hitches designed > >-->just for early CJ style Jeeps. There are special > >-->impliments for them too. The idea was to allow an > >-->owner of a Jeep to use it as a tractor instead of having > >-->to buy a tractor too. Since the Jeeps already had a > >-->PTO (power take-off) setup I understand they worked > >-->pretty well. I've seen some photos of the 3pt setups > >-->and they look pretty cool. > >--> > >-->Jim > >--> > >-->> yep on the pto... > >-->> nope on the diesel gen, you > >-->> shouldn't lose power enough... > >-->> > >-->> I want a gen/welder, prefer a pto unit... > >-->> john > >-->> > >-->> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > >-->> > >-->> >-->Bruce Caruthers wrote: > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->> At risk of showing my complete ignorance, what is > >-->> >-->> a PTO? > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->*** Power Take Off, I think. > >-->> >--> > >-->> >-->> Any suggestions for a decent, relatively quiet > >-->> >-->> diesel generator for a regular residential home, > >-->> >-->> which would only rarely be used? > >-->> >-->> > >-->> >-->*** I've always drooled over the Honda suitcase > >-->> >-->generators. They're unbelievably quiet. Probably > >-->> >-->too small for house backup, tho. > >-->> >--> > >-->> >--> - Jerry Kaidor > >-->> >--> > >-->> > >-->> ----- > >-->> > >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >-->> ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > >-->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--> > > ----- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:56:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? monroe makes one that sits in the bed... won't need the three point setup for the gen/welder though. john On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jim Hoffman wrote: >-->There are actually pretty rare 3pt hitches designed >-->just for early CJ style Jeeps. There are special >-->impliments for them too. The idea was to allow an >-->owner of a Jeep to use it as a tractor instead of having >-->to buy a tractor too. Since the Jeeps already had a >-->PTO (power take-off) setup I understand they worked >-->pretty well. I've seen some photos of the 3pt setups >-->and they look pretty cool. >--> >-->Jim >--> >-->> yep on the pto... >-->> nope on the diesel gen, you >-->> shouldn't lose power enough... >-->> >-->> I want a gen/welder, prefer a pto unit... >-->> john >-->> >-->> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->Bruce Caruthers wrote: >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->> At risk of showing my complete ignorance, what is >-->> >-->> a PTO? >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->*** Power Take Off, I think. >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> Any suggestions for a decent, relatively quiet >-->> >-->> diesel generator for a regular residential home, >-->> >-->> which would only rarely be used? >-->> >-->> >-->> >-->*** I've always drooled over the Honda suitcase >-->> >-->generators. They're unbelievably quiet. Probably >-->> >-->too small for house backup, tho. >-->> >--> >-->> >--> - Jerry Kaidor >-->> >--> >-->> >-->> ----- >-->> >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >-->> ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >-->> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:06:36 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] small world just got a call about the pinto engine that came out of my '48 cj-2a... the guy interested is the son-in-law of one of the folks killed by a tree during last week's windstorm... 4 people were killed in the storm: 1 lady drowned in her basement during a flashflood during the rain, 1 guy died when a tree fell on him, and two others were killed while driving, hit by trees falling or by crashing after swerving... this gentleman's father-in-law was driving one of the new VW bugs about 40mph and part of a tree broke off and came right through the roof and into the driver's seat, killing him instantly... :( john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 13:37:07 -0700 From: "Bob Hamilton" Subject: [db] Cruise control question I always get a kick out of how often Jeeps are talked about on this list. I guess the perfect blend will be the 07 Grand Cherokee with the Mercedes Diesel in it. I've read good reviews on it. I personally think the 6.2 belongs in a Suburban, not a Jeep, but I will be interested in hearing how it works when it's done. And here is a Mercedes question. I'm trying to get cruise control working on the 83 300D - I've got pretty good vacuum going. Where should I look next? Bob O|||||||O 51 Willys truck 67 200D 83 300D 2002 Passat wagon V6 2005 Passat Wagon TDI - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: December 19, 2006 11:05 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] run house off car? Here are some articles... http://www.farmjeep.com/ http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/FarmJeep.html http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3b/FarmJeep2.html http://www.cj-3a.com/tale_of_the_jeep_tractor_and_the.htm Actually, Googling for "Farm Jeep" gives a whole BUNCH of info... Jim > yep on the pto... > nope on the diesel gen, you > shouldn't lose power enough... > > I want a gen/welder, prefer a pto unit... > john > > On Tue, 19 Dec 2006, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > >-->Bruce Caruthers wrote: > >-->> > >-->> At risk of showing my complete ignorance, what is > >-->> a PTO? > >-->> > >-->*** Power Take Off, I think. > >--> > >-->> Any suggestions for a decent, relatively quiet > >-->> diesel generator for a regular residential home, > >-->> which would only rarely be used? > >-->> > >-->*** I've always drooled over the Honda suitcase > >-->generators. They're unbelievably quiet. Probably > >-->too small for house backup, tho. > >--> > >--> - Jerry Kaidor > >--> > > ----- > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - > ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2328 **********************************