From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Dec 24 13:13:38 2006 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, December 24 2006 Volume 01 : Number 2335 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Leaking fuel filter Re: [db] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point Re: [db] only $54K Re: [db] only $54K Re: [db] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point [db] Diesel enviros [db] a little bit late for Xmas Re: [db] a little bit late for Xmas [db] Is anybody home? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:14:21 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Leaking fuel filter Glad you paid a slightly less ridiculous price for the part. :) According to the EPC, the following part numbers are valid for your '95: 601 090 03 52 (old stock) 601 090 14 52 601 090 15 52 For your '84, the following are valid: 000 092 90 01 (old stock) 000 092 95 01 (old stock) 000 092 04 01 000 092 05 01 So definitely not the same part. If your mechanic has been putting SD filters on your car, but not swapping out the o-rings, then maybe the old o-rings finally gave up the ghost. If it were me, I would try a correct filter with correct o-rings before busting the new valve out of its packaging so you can return it if you don't need it. Good luck. J.B. At 05:54 AM 12/22/2006, Jon Filina wrote: >J.B. wrote: > >>That's odd... I used Mann filters and the O-rings have always been >>correct. Is it the correct filter? If you decide to replace the >>valve, go to www.buymbparts.com... they have the part in stock for >>$88.84 and free shipping. Search for P/N 601 070 05 46. I would >>not delete the shutoff function, since it might be the difference >>between a $7,000 rebuild and a $500 repair someday. > > >Your comment got me to thinking. Dennis, my mechanic, mentioned to >me that the fuel filter on the '95 was the same as my '84 SD. An >hour earlier, I'd stop my local parts house where I usually get Wix >filters, and was told that the part number for the '95's fuel filter >was different from the '84 and that they'd have to order it. My >take on the two comments was that both cars use the same filter, but >that the extra o-rings were different resulting in a different part >number. Maybe right...maybe not. > >Anyway, Ernestine's fuel leak is getting worse.... > >I decided to bite the bullet and buy the $156 part. With Christmas >being so close, I didn't have time to try changing o-rings, seeing >if that would fix the problem and, if not, finally having to buy >the part after the holidays. >So, I dropped by the dealer this afternoon. The parts guy I had >worked with on Tuesday was not there. The kid, early twenties or >so, that I talked to was pleasant enough. I told him that I'd >checked on the part on Tuesday, and that I'd decided to get it even >though it was overpriced through the roof. He went and retrieved it >and started to write up the order. At the same time, another guy >walked into parts office. As the kid entered the information into >the computer, I mentioned that I'd found the same part on the net >and that I could get it for $90 or so. I added that I knew they >couldn't match that price but that, since I'd been buying parts >there since '98, could they discount the price a bit. >I was expecting a 10-15% discount, which I usually get. At that >point, the kid turns to the other guy who'd walked in and asks what >he should do. The guy tells him to write it up at $90! I look at >him and say thanks. He looks back and says "Merry Christmas".... > >Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus! Jingle bells, jingle bells..... >Wait a sec... this is a poorly designed part which is overpriced... > >Jingle bells, Santa smells.... > >Oh, what the heck! The dealer could have toed his line and insisted >on the $156 payment, but they didn't.... > >Jingle bells.... > >So, J.B., YOU DA MAN!!! > >I normally remind the parts guys at the dealer that I'm a loyal >customer (actually, I only use them as a last resort) and get the >part for 10-15% off. Armed with the knowledge you gave me, I saved almost $70! > >Thanks, again. > >Now all I have to do is install it....which will probably be Sunday >afternoon. I'll keep the old part because I think the o-rings are >the real problem. >Thanks, again > >Jon >'95 E300D "Ernestine" >'84 300SD "Bruno" > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: >12/19/2006 1:17 PM - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/597 - Release Date: 12/21/2006 6:45 PM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:44:10 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point Has anyone been following the efforts to produce JP-8 biodiesel with a low energy esterification process? I'm not sure what the input materials are, but the word is that the fuel flows freely down to negative temps Fahrenheit and is projected to cost less to produce that dinodiesel. Since the military is behind this, we might actually see production a few years down the road. Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA '85 300SD Turbo '84 300D Turbo '79 300TD '97 7.3L F250 HD 4WD Crew Cab ernest breakfield wrote: > hi! > > did a little experimenting recently and thought i'd share some of > the observations for the benefit of any/all. > > firstly, Helga is an '85 300D with almost 160K miles, and has been > using almost exclusively commercially purchased BioD for ~3 years/40K > miles. the fuel is commercially produced from recycled oil stock (i > believe the current stock was used for frying potato chips, but i may > be mistaken.) > > on a recent trip to the Sierra, i decided to try straight B99/100 > purchased from our favorite local supplier, just to see how the > vehicle would react to the low temps since i had the luxury of > convenient support should i need it. > after sitting for a few days with temps near freezing, it started > up perfectly; a single Glow cycle resulted in an immediate smoke-free > start and a smooth idle, as is normal for this car. power, however, > was lower than it usually is when cold as i started up the hill out > the driveway, to the extent i found i had the accelerator floored just > to keep it moving. out of curiosity, i tried revving it in Neutral, > and found i could only get about 2K RPM on it maximum! > even after coolant temp had reached normal indicated range (80C+), > Max RPMs were still only about 2K RPM for about the first 10-15 > minutes of use; fortunately, this was enough to suit the needs in the > small town we were in. it wasn't until we'd gotten several miles > farther down the road that it rev'd freely as normal. > > my theory is that although the fuel had not gelled completely, it > had gelled enough that there was enough occlusion in the fuel system > that it wouldn't allow full fuel flow until things had warmed up. were > i to head into the same conditions again, i'll probably top off with > #2 Dino before stopping, just to try to lower the Gel Point of the > fuel a bit. > > fortunately my wife tends to have a bit of an adventurous nature, > or this could have been much less fun! (the dog napped serenely in the > rear seat the entire time, knowing nothing of the fun we were having; > only that we were going home,...) > > > cheers! > e > > Berkeley > > - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/597 - Release Date: 12/21/2006 6:45 PM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:50:18 -0600 From: acordova-at-texas.net Subject: Re: [db] only $54K At our piddly little auto show in Austin a couple of weeks ago, BMW had lots of their M models, and MB had lots of diesels, including diesel E, ML, and R models. So it appears we get diesels in the E, plus diesels in all the variants of the platform that's built here in the US: ML, GL, R. Just the two versions of the V6 diesel, though, since I think the "trucks" don't have to be quite as clean as the sedan, which gets the BlueTec. No monstrous V8 diesels for the US yet. And all I read says the diesel Liberty sold above expectations, even with that Italian engine. At least they're trying to bring diesels here, and buyers are willing to embrace them. Now if we can just keep the balancing act going with the environmentalists... Alec Quoting john : > ok, how many years before this model is affordable > in the used market? ;) > I'm thinking at least 10 years... > http://www.mbusa.com/models/main.do?modelCode=GL320CDI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 08:44:52 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] only $54K >And all I read says the diesel Liberty sold above expectations, even with >that Italian engine. At least they're trying to bring diesels here, and >buyers are willing to embrace them. That would include me... or at least my family. I have no beef at all with the engine. If anything I think it is the best part of the vehicle. My main complaint about the Liberty is the interior, specifically the driver's seat (and goofy MB arrangement of the windows controls as John likes to complain about.) I'm a hair under 6' and my head is perilously close to the roof, and I have to bend to fit through the door... go figure. But the car is not mine, it is my wife's and the driver's seat fits her 5'4" frame just fine. I think the engine is great. The auto-transmission is lacking... I bet it would get well above 30 MPG with a stick shift, but again, my wife prefers the slush box, so I won't complain about the 27 MPG. ;) >Now if we can just keep the balancing >act going with the environmentalists... It isn't the "environmentalists" so much as it is the California Air Resources Board. If it rained every once in a while down there, the point would be moot. =P The "environmentalists" seem to be embracing Diesel, especially the alternative fuel options it affords. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:23:03 -0500 (EST) From: ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net Subject: Re: [db] Biodiesel Cold Weather Data Point The last I saw in thee military trade publications was that the airforce was testing the JP8 on one engine on a B52, and if that test went well, they would try it on all engines. This is the bio derived version of the fuel. The military wants a domestic source in case we get into a real war, the goal is to be able to produce enough for the war effort or to supplement domestic sources of dino derived fuels. I have not seen any follow up articles or results on the first test so don't know what happened. If I see more I will post it, since I work for a defence supplier and we are close to this particular project. Edward > Has anyone been following the efforts to produce JP-8 biodiesel with a > low energy esterification process? I'm not sure what the input > materials are, but the word is that the fuel flows freely down to > negative temps Fahrenheit and is projected to cost less to produce that > dinodiesel. > > Since the military is behind this, we might actually see production a > few years down the road. > > Greg Fiorentino > Vancouver USA > '85 300SD Turbo > '84 300D Turbo > '79 300TD > '97 7.3L F250 HD 4WD Crew Cab > > > > ernest breakfield wrote: >> hi! >> >> did a little experimenting recently and thought i'd share some of >> the observations for the benefit of any/all. >> >> firstly, Helga is an '85 300D with almost 160K miles, and has been >> using almost exclusively commercially purchased BioD for ~3 years/40K >> miles. the fuel is commercially produced from recycled oil stock (i >> believe the current stock was used for frying potato chips, but i may >> be mistaken.) >> >> on a recent trip to the Sierra, i decided to try straight B99/100 >> purchased from our favorite local supplier, just to see how the >> vehicle would react to the low temps since i had the luxury of >> convenient support should i need it. >> after sitting for a few days with temps near freezing, it started >> up perfectly; a single Glow cycle resulted in an immediate smoke-free >> start and a smooth idle, as is normal for this car. power, however, >> was lower than it usually is when cold as i started up the hill out >> the driveway, to the extent i found i had the accelerator floored just >> to keep it moving. out of curiosity, i tried revving it in Neutral, >> and found i could only get about 2K RPM on it maximum! >> even after coolant temp had reached normal indicated range (80C+), >> Max RPMs were still only about 2K RPM for about the first 10-15 >> minutes of use; fortunately, this was enough to suit the needs in the >> small town we were in. it wasn't until we'd gotten several miles >> farther down the road that it rev'd freely as normal. >> >> my theory is that although the fuel had not gelled completely, it >> had gelled enough that there was enough occlusion in the fuel system >> that it wouldn't allow full fuel flow until things had warmed up. were >> i to head into the same conditions again, i'll probably top off with >> #2 Dino before stopping, just to try to lower the Gel Point of the >> fuel a bit. >> >> fortunately my wife tends to have a bit of an adventurous nature, >> or this could have been much less fun! (the dog napped serenely in the >> rear seat the entire time, knowing nothing of the fun we were having; >> only that we were going home,...) >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> >> Berkeley >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/597 - Release Date: > 12/21/2006 6:45 PM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 20:13:56 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] Diesel enviros Not exactly.....the environmentalists are embracing a pansy, over- electronified version of "diesel" that uses a dumbed-down fuel and is so held back by its "brain" that it can't achieve anywhere near the brutal power and tankish durability of the real, "dirty" diesels (a la MB OM617 turbo and IH (Ford) 7.3d) that would drive to China and back happily a few thousand times with nothing but oil, filters, and a steady supply of almost anything remotely flammable. These new things can't even handle SVO; the computer goes cuckoo. Yes, the enviros are decidedly against a REAL diesel engine. Just because it's a compression-ignition engine doesn't mean that it is Rudolf Diesel's brainchild. Don't blame these new pansy ULSD junkers on that noble man. Jason - -----------Previous >Now if we can just keep the balancing >act going with the environmentalists... It isn't the "environmentalists" so much as it is the California Air Resources Board. If it rained every once in a while down there, the point would be moot. =P The "environmentalists" seem to be embracing Diesel, especially the alternative fuel options it affords. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa Images and external objects in this message are being displayed. What's this? Click here to hide images in this message or edit your settings for all messages. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:49:14 -0500 From: "wmpless" Subject: [db] a little bit late for Xmas Read Mercedes is adding another diesel model to the S-class. The S 420 CDI will be powered by a 4.0 L V8 delivering 320 PS. The engine will develop 538 lbf.ft and will accelerate the car from 0 to 60 miles in 6.5 seconds. The top speed is limited to 155 miles/hr. Fuel consumption to be 25 m/US gallon. Price starting at Euro 85,000.00. For sure, would be a nice surprise to find such a car in the garage on XMAS morning. Wiard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:56:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] a little bit late for Xmas sounds like a nice vehicle... too bad they limit these cars to 155 mph... I live 10 miles from work, limiting to such a speed requires a longer commute... (I wish). ;) john On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, wmpless wrote: >-->Read Mercedes is adding another diesel model to the S-class. The S 420 CDI >-->will be powered by a 4.0 L V8 delivering 320 PS. The engine will develop 538 >-->lbf.ft and will >-->accelerate the car from 0 to 60 miles in 6.5 seconds. The top speed is limited >-->to 155 miles/hr. Fuel consumption to be >-->25 m/US gallon. Price starting at Euro 85,000.00. >-->For sure, would be a nice surprise to find such a car in the garage on XMAS >-->morning. Wiard >--> ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** http://freegift.com **** http://wagoneers.com ** Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 14:02:46 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: [db] Is anybody home? Y'all, It's been pretty quiet the last few days. Is anybody at the keyboard? Surely John Boy has concocted yet another frankendiesel idea! Or, maybe, he's asleep under one of his jeeps.... Shhhhhhhh... Lord knows, Big John needs his beauty sleep! Jon ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2335 **********************************