From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jan 31 22:48:44 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, February 1 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2376 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Re: xj: Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year [db] The latest fun... [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:20:15 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: RE: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year I heard that a plan for a diesel dakota too. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: Allen Zylstra CC: full size jeep list , xj-list , diesel-benz list Subject: RE: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:11:11 -0800 (PST) >interesting that they're moving into the 1/2T truck range now... >cool... I may end up with a new vehicle one of these days yet... :) >or at least a factory Diesel. > >john > >On Tue, 30 Jan 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > >-->Thats good. These vehicles will need something to burn. Of course it > >-->will be 10 years before I can afford one. > >-->http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070124/FREE/70124002/1528/rss01&rssfeed=rss01 > >-->Allen > >--> Subject: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year > >--> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:27:38 -0800 (PST) > >--> >http://www.imperiumrenewables.com/grays.html > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 09:35:25 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Sustained. Do need on stinking middle east oil. I don't believe the global warming nonsense. There is not enough evidence to support it. I can't wait to fill my clean diesel Jeep with B100 at every fillin station. I have a car rented in March. Hopefully it is a flex fuel ao I can pump some ethanol in it. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Hoffman" Reply-To: jslash-at-execpc.com To: "Jerome Kaidor" , john-at-wagoneers.com (john) CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net (diesel-benz list), carnuck1-at-msn.com (Jim Blair) Subject: Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:53 -0500 > > john wrote: > > > > > > http://www.imperiumrenewables.com/grays.html > > > > > *** I wonder how much petroleum is used in growing the grain that they > > make the biodiesel out of? > > > > I saw a show in "Dirty Jobs" about a sugar cane plant. What really > > impressed me was that they ran an electric plant off the leavings after > > processing the cane. So they got all their energy off plants recently grown, > > thus AFAIK not contributing to global warming. > > > > - Jerry Kaidor > >Well, short of the petroleum used manufacturing the tractor >you could get by with little to none, right? Use the >bioDiesel to fuel the tractor also ;) > >Jim - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:04:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Jim Blair wrote: > -->In the meantime we shouldn't try to curb production of these gases until > -->100% proof can be found? Just the day before yesterday NASA scientists you going to stop volcanoes? you going to stop animals from exhaling? > -->weighed in on global warming and their proof was put in front of GW prior to > -->that, which is why he finally admitted there is such a thing. The breaking > -->off of the ice shelf, new uncharted islands appearing around shrinking yes, there is global warming... but not associated with man or his industrialization.... it's been going on since the ice age. There is a model you haven't heard of that accounts for all of this. I'll put some notes together when I have time and build a web page... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:08:08 -0600 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year I should clarify and say I don't believe humans are the cause of any global warming. The Globe has may be warming, but it started before cars and industrialization. I also believe we were created and the earth is only a few thousand years old. So to keep on topic the NOx from the benz and the Zj are not the cause. I think that the new clean diesels are going to be a great benefit in that more people will buy them if they don't smell or clatter. I like the smell and clatter. I guess that this part applies to those familiar with the GM diesels. "but rather because its opponents > eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." > -- Max Planck Thanks for that quote. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" To: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:28:18 -0300 >On Wednesday 31 January 2007 12:35, my mailbox was graced by a missive > from "Allen Zylstra" who wrote: > > > I don't believe the > > global warming nonsense. There is not enough evidence to support it. > > A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents > and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents > eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. > -- Max Planck > >Cheers, > >Ron. > > An age is called Dark not because the light fails to shine, > but because people refuse to see it. > -- James Michener > > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:08:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] 100 million gallons of bioDiesel a year On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: >-->I should clarify and say I don't believe humans are the cause of any >-->global warming. The Globe has may be warming, but it started before cars it's been warming since the ice age... what caused the ice age? obviously a global disaster... how many ice ages? only one we know of... >-->and industrialization. I also believe we were created and the earth is >-->only a few thousand years old. So to keep on topic the NOx from the benz >-->and the Zj are not the cause. we have to keep in perspective how insignificant we are compared to things like volcanic events and other atmospheric disturbances, natural events... >-->I think that the new clean diesels are going to be a great benefit in >-->that more people will buy them if they don't smell or clatter. I like >-->the smell and clatter. efficiency... :) that's what it's all about. it's amazing how our technology is improving... john >-->I guess that this part applies to those familiar with the GM diesels. "but >-->rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with >-->it." >-->> -- Max >-->Planck >--> >-->Allen ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 02:29:58 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] The latest fun... Heh, heh. The adventure begins, for better or for worse. The blue car that I posted most recently as a consideration came home with me last Saturday. Here's the better: 1. The body is in much better condition than I dared to hope. Virtually no rust, and as solid as a rock. All the glass is good, and the driver's seat was NOT shredded, as I had been led to believe by the pictures. True, there is some scratch and dent type stuff, but nothing that will affect safety or longevity. 2. It came w/ 3 injectors that should at least let me see what the motor has left in it. Four of the fuel lines are also included. This is better than hoped; I was led to believe that it had zero injectors. The worse: 1. The mice found it while it was on his lot. They messed up some insulation (but apparently not the wires) and some vacuum fittings. These of course can be cannibalized from Bennie, and maybe Kitty (though I'm trying to keep her intact for now). Not a big deal, just makes it take longer to make it go again. 2. It will need paint soon. The PO had roughed it for new paint, then never did, so there are some areas where the paint was thin enough to let go. Obviously not a big deal, just takes some time and spray paint. The million dollar question now: Will injectors and lines cannibalized from an OM616 work in an OM617? I confess that I don't see why not, but I figured I'd check with the collective list wisdom and see. Anyway, that's all a few days out yet. And there's a moving and a piano moving project that may trump this one for now...... Jason "UGH" '84 300D "TBD" (daily driver soon? ASAP) '81 240D "Kitty" (severely rusted and retiring soon) '83 000E "Bennie" (used to be a 240D; the "E" is for "empty in thar!") '85 Caravan 260C "Mitzy" (granted, Dodge never called it 260C....) '87 Sable "Groovy Gray Grouch" (wrecked....don't know why it's still around......) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:45:00 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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