From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Feb 26 09:04:33 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, February 26 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2400 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine [db] the ebay presentation Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine the idler tensioner reminds me of what I had in my '85 2.2L 190D. the ps pump looks older too... this looks like a mid-to-late 80's vintage 2.5L TD out of a 201 body. how'd you get out of that thing with it so close to the wall?? what's the nearfar story? :) john On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: >-->Gosh Steve: >--> >-->Looks like my '93 300D 2.5 Turbo engine pretty near. A few things on the >-->odd side though, like the battery..... that steering wheel on the wrong >-->side is also a bit disconcerting just kidding, have logged >-->thousands of miles w/RHD myself, UK, Ireland and Australia. >--> >-->Nice overall appearance. Let us know what the tach says at 70 MPH. My 300D >-->barely turns about 2100 RPM at 70 MPH. I am curious what the rear end gear >-->ratio on a gasser does with a diesel tranplanted into it. >--> >-->Best regards, >-->Edward >--> >-->> Hi folks, >-->> Drove 3 hours to the south of IRL and back yesterday to pick up the >-->> new addition to the "fleet".... '85 w123 Estate with a 2.5TD engine >-->> (it was originally fitted with a 2lt petrol), was told the brakes were >-->> a bit flakey so took it easy as one of the lines was wet.. it tended >-->> to wander a bit too (turned out one rear tyre was larger than the >-->> other!!). >-->> Pics are up here : >-->> http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/ >-->> >-->> >-->> Can anyone identify which model this engine came from? >-->> >-->> Might replace the brake lines just to be sure, anyone done this? >-->> Difficult? >-->> >-->> Cheers >-->> Steve >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:16:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] the ebay presentation well, going to hold off on putting the '91 Grand Wagoneer on ebay, have someone interested locally off of craigslist... In the meantime, updated a few pictures, and edited things a bit based on feedback: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/91GW_950/91GW_200/ thanx, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:47:07 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Hi Edward, Its a bit of a strange drive (to me).. 1st gear gets you to about 6mph, change up to 2nd and you know that its capable of pulling down a house (actually felt as tho the car was standing still and it was spinning the Earth beneath it heheh).. but that gets you to about 20mph, up to 3rd (which has a bit of an odd vibration..) which will bring it to 40mph, 4th takes a looong time to get to 55mph, then in 5th it will lope along at 70... with hardly any noise (which is strange to me in a diesel as our 190D 2lt is quite a noisy engine.. must be the turbo + underhood mat that is quietening it down..) at no more than 2.5krpm as far as I remember... have to admit to not taking much notice of it tho'.. but it wasn't higher than that. It seems quiet, v.smooth and still had plenty if I wanted to push it towards the ton... it was so smooth, I didn't believe that the speedo was correct and had to double check with my roadtrip buddy in his 3-series BMW behind me... Cheers, Steve On 2/26/07, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: > Gosh Steve: > > Looks like my '93 300D 2.5 Turbo engine pretty near. A few things on the > odd side though, like the battery..... that steering wheel on the wrong > side is also a bit disconcerting just kidding, have logged > thousands of miles w/RHD myself, UK, Ireland and Australia. > > Nice overall appearance. Let us know what the tach says at 70 MPH. My 300D > barely turns about 2100 RPM at 70 MPH. I am curious what the rear end gear > ratio on a gasser does with a diesel tranplanted into it. > > Best regards, > Edward > > > Hi folks, > > Drove 3 hours to the south of IRL and back yesterday to pick up the > > new addition to the "fleet".... '85 w123 Estate with a 2.5TD engine > > (it was originally fitted with a 2lt petrol), was told the brakes were > > a bit flakey so took it easy as one of the lines was wet.. it tended > > to wander a bit too (turned out one rear tyre was larger than the > > other!!). > > Pics are up here : > > http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/ > > > > > > Can anyone identify which model this engine came from? > > > > Might replace the brake lines just to be sure, anyone done this? > > Difficult? > > > > Cheers > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 12:12:18 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Hey John, hmmm... think one of my neighbours has a 2.2L 190D, might pop round to see if I can have a gander under his bonnet... How did I get out? I train in Capoeira twice or three times a week so am fairly flexible, jumping into the passenger seat isn't too difficult for me... altho I doubt my chiropracter would be impressed heheh ;-) Nearfar... hahah It was a joke for a buddy, it related to the "Fr Ted" comedy series made here in Ireland... the 2 main characters are priests, one is a bit dim, the other was trying to explain distance to him using a toy cow, then pointing out the window... "This one is close, those are far away" ... ;-) If you haven't seen it, its well worth a watch http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtx2c_father-ted-hell (11min33sec for "far away" ;-) ) Steve On 2/26/07, john wrote: > > the idler tensioner reminds me of what I had in my '85 2.2L 190D. > the ps pump looks older too... this looks like a mid-to-late 80's > vintage 2.5L TD out of a 201 body. > > how'd you get out of that thing with it so close to the wall?? > > what's the nearfar story? :) > > john > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: > > >-->Gosh Steve: > >--> > >-->Looks like my '93 300D 2.5 Turbo engine pretty near. A few things on the > >-->odd side though, like the battery..... that steering wheel on the wrong > >-->side is also a bit disconcerting just kidding, have logged > >-->thousands of miles w/RHD myself, UK, Ireland and Australia. > >--> > >-->Nice overall appearance. Let us know what the tach says at 70 MPH. My 300D > >-->barely turns about 2100 RPM at 70 MPH. I am curious what the rear end gear > >-->ratio on a gasser does with a diesel tranplanted into it. > >--> > >-->Best regards, > >-->Edward > >--> > >-->> Hi folks, > >-->> Drove 3 hours to the south of IRL and back yesterday to pick up the > >-->> new addition to the "fleet".... '85 w123 Estate with a 2.5TD engine > >-->> (it was originally fitted with a 2lt petrol), was told the brakes were > >-->> a bit flakey so took it easy as one of the lines was wet.. it tended > >-->> to wander a bit too (turned out one rear tyre was larger than the > >-->> other!!). > >-->> Pics are up here : > >-->> http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/ > >-->> > >-->> > >-->> Can anyone identify which model this engine came from? > >-->> > >-->> Might replace the brake lines just to be sure, anyone done this? > >-->> Difficult? > >-->> > >-->> Cheers > >-->> Steve > >--> > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:23:45 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine Nice one John... just did a bit of investigation on the car using the Vin + engine number on the internet... Originally it was : Model 200 T Chassis 123XXXXXXXXXXX Engine 102920 XX XXXXXX Transmission 717401 00 038840 Order 0 5 537 56010 Approx. year 1985 Lights BOSCH Cab 00496 Dealer Great Britain (537) Interior fabric date (054) Paint 681 Options Current engine is (as you said) : 201.128 602.961 190D 2.5 Turbo 1987 123hp Cheers Steve On 2/26/07, Stephen Rigley wrote: > Hey John, > > hmmm... think one of my neighbours has a 2.2L 190D, might pop round to > see if I can have a gander under his bonnet... > > How did I get out? I train in Capoeira twice or three times a week so > am fairly flexible, jumping into the passenger seat isn't too > difficult for me... altho I doubt my chiropracter would be impressed > heheh ;-) > > Nearfar... hahah It was a joke for a buddy, it related to the "Fr Ted" > comedy series made here in Ireland... the 2 main characters are > priests, one is a bit dim, the other was trying to explain distance to > him using a toy cow, then pointing out the window... "This one is > close, those are far away" ... ;-) If you haven't seen it, its well > worth a watch > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtx2c_father-ted-hell (11min33sec > for "far away" ;-) ) > > Steve > > On 2/26/07, john wrote: > > > > the idler tensioner reminds me of what I had in my '85 2.2L 190D. > > the ps pump looks older too... this looks like a mid-to-late 80's > > vintage 2.5L TD out of a 201 body. > > > > how'd you get out of that thing with it so close to the wall?? > > > > what's the nearfar story? :) > > > > john > > > > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: > > > > >-->Gosh Steve: > > >--> > > >-->Looks like my '93 300D 2.5 Turbo engine pretty near. A few things on the > > >-->odd side though, like the battery..... that steering wheel on the wrong > > >-->side is also a bit disconcerting just kidding, have logged > > >-->thousands of miles w/RHD myself, UK, Ireland and Australia. > > >--> > > >-->Nice overall appearance. Let us know what the tach says at 70 MPH. My 300D > > >-->barely turns about 2100 RPM at 70 MPH. I am curious what the rear end gear > > >-->ratio on a gasser does with a diesel tranplanted into it. > > >--> > > >-->Best regards, > > >-->Edward > > >--> > > >-->> Hi folks, > > >-->> Drove 3 hours to the south of IRL and back yesterday to pick up the > > >-->> new addition to the "fleet".... '85 w123 Estate with a 2.5TD engine > > >-->> (it was originally fitted with a 2lt petrol), was told the brakes were > > >-->> a bit flakey so took it easy as one of the lines was wet.. it tended > > >-->> to wander a bit too (turned out one rear tyre was larger than the > > >-->> other!!). > > >-->> Pics are up here : > > >-->> http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/ > > >-->> > > >-->> > > >-->> Can anyone identify which model this engine came from? > > >-->> > > >-->> Might replace the brake lines just to be sure, anyone done this? > > >-->> Difficult? > > >-->> > > >-->> Cheers > > >-->> Steve > > >--> > > > > ----- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:53:56 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine and all because of your excellent picture of the belt tensioner. :) all it takes is one time wrestling with a part and you spot 'em. The exhaust manifold looked different to me as well, and the pump setup looked older... However, my range of knowledge on the Diesel Benz is somewhat limited to the older models, my '91 is the newest I've owned and am familiar with... have seen a few newer, but haven't applied a wrench to them. john On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->Nice one John... just did a bit of investigation on the car using the > -->Vin + engine number on the internet... > --> > -->Originally it was : > --> > -->Model 200 T > -->Chassis 123XXXXXXXXXXX > -->Engine 102920 XX XXXXXX > -->Transmission 717401 00 038840 > -->Order 0 5 537 56010 > -->Approx. year 1985 > -->Lights BOSCH > -->Cab 00496 > -->Dealer Great Britain (537) > -->Interior fabric date (054) > -->Paint 681 > -->Options > --> > -->Current engine is (as you said) : > -->201.128 602.961 190D 2.5 Turbo 1987 123hp > --> > -->Cheers > -->Steve > --> > --> > -->On 2/26/07, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->> Hey John, > -->> > -->> hmmm... think one of my neighbours has a 2.2L 190D, might pop round to > -->> see if I can have a gander under his bonnet... > -->> > -->> How did I get out? I train in Capoeira twice or three times a week so > -->> am fairly flexible, jumping into the passenger seat isn't too > -->> difficult for me... altho I doubt my chiropracter would be impressed > -->> heheh ;-) > -->> > -->> Nearfar... hahah It was a joke for a buddy, it related to the "Fr Ted" > -->> comedy series made here in Ireland... the 2 main characters are > -->> priests, one is a bit dim, the other was trying to explain distance to > -->> him using a toy cow, then pointing out the window... "This one is > -->> close, those are far away" ... ;-) If you haven't seen it, its well > -->> worth a watch > -->> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtx2c_father-ted-hell (11min33sec > -->> for "far away" ;-) ) > -->> > -->> Steve > -->> > -->> On 2/26/07, john wrote: > -->> > > -->> > the idler tensioner reminds me of what I had in my '85 2.2L 190D. > -->> > the ps pump looks older too... this looks like a mid-to-late 80's > -->> > vintage 2.5L TD out of a 201 body. > -->> > > -->> > how'd you get out of that thing with it so close to the wall?? > -->> > > -->> > what's the nearfar story? :) > -->> > > -->> > john > -->> > > -->> > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: > -->> > > -->> > > -->Gosh Steve: > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->Looks like my '93 300D 2.5 Turbo engine pretty near. A few things > -->> > > -->on the > -->> > > -->odd side though, like the battery..... that steering wheel on the > -->> > > -->wrong > -->> > > -->side is also a bit disconcerting just kidding, have logged > -->> > > -->thousands of miles w/RHD myself, UK, Ireland and Australia. > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->Nice overall appearance. Let us know what the tach says at 70 MPH. > -->> > > -->My 300D > -->> > > -->barely turns about 2100 RPM at 70 MPH. I am curious what the rear > -->> > > -->end gear > -->> > > -->ratio on a gasser does with a diesel tranplanted into it. > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->Best regards, > -->> > > -->Edward > -->> > > --> > -->> > > --> > Hi folks, > -->> > > --> > Drove 3 hours to the south of IRL and back yesterday to pick > -->> > > --> > up the > -->> > > --> > new addition to the "fleet".... '85 w123 Estate with a 2.5TD > -->> > > --> > engine > -->> > > --> > (it was originally fitted with a 2lt petrol), was told the > -->> > > --> > brakes were > -->> > > --> > a bit flakey so took it easy as one of the lines was wet.. it > -->> > > --> > tended > -->> > > --> > to wander a bit too (turned out one rear tyre was larger than > -->> > > --> > the > -->> > > --> > other!!). > -->> > > --> > Pics are up here : > -->> > > --> > http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/ > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > --> > Can anyone identify which model this engine came from? > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > --> > Might replace the brake lines just to be sure, anyone done this? > -->> > > --> > Difficult? > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > --> > Cheers > -->> > > --> > Steve > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->> > ----- > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > > -->> > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:58:16 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] New arrival + spot that engine is it possible there isn't a vaccum pump on this engine? The lines are in the car but nothing vaccum related works... oh and another Q while I'm at it... I've no experience with auto levelling suspension.. in the T models, was it just an option or did they all have it? I ask as I couldn't find a fluid resevoir for it yesterday... On 2/26/07, john wrote: > > and all because of your excellent picture of the belt tensioner. > > :) all it takes is one time wrestling with a part and you spot 'em. > > The exhaust manifold looked different to me as well, and the pump > setup looked older... > > However, my range of knowledge on the Diesel Benz is somewhat > limited to the older models, my '91 is the newest I've owned and > am familiar with... have seen a few newer, but haven't applied a > wrench to them. > > john > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > > -->Nice one John... just did a bit of investigation on the car using the > > -->Vin + engine number on the internet... > > --> > > -->Originally it was : > > --> > > -->Model 200 T > > -->Chassis 123XXXXXXXXXXX > > -->Engine 102920 XX XXXXXX > > -->Transmission 717401 00 038840 > > -->Order 0 5 537 56010 > > -->Approx. year 1985 > > -->Lights BOSCH > > -->Cab 00496 > > -->Dealer Great Britain (537) > > -->Interior fabric date (054) > > -->Paint 681 > > -->Options > > --> > > -->Current engine is (as you said) : > > -->201.128 602.961 190D 2.5 Turbo 1987 123hp > > --> > > -->Cheers > > -->Steve > > --> > > --> > > -->On 2/26/07, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > -->> Hey John, > > -->> > > -->> hmmm... think one of my neighbours has a 2.2L 190D, might pop round to > > -->> see if I can have a gander under his bonnet... > > -->> > > -->> How did I get out? I train in Capoeira twice or three times a week so > > -->> am fairly flexible, jumping into the passenger seat isn't too > > -->> difficult for me... altho I doubt my chiropracter would be impressed > > -->> heheh ;-) > > -->> > > -->> Nearfar... hahah It was a joke for a buddy, it related to the "Fr Ted" > > -->> comedy series made here in Ireland... the 2 main characters are > > -->> priests, one is a bit dim, the other was trying to explain distance to > > -->> him using a toy cow, then pointing out the window... "This one is > > -->> close, those are far away" ... ;-) If you haven't seen it, its well > > -->> worth a watch > > -->> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtx2c_father-ted-hell (11min33sec > > -->> for "far away" ;-) ) > > -->> > > -->> Steve > > -->> > > -->> On 2/26/07, john wrote: > > -->> > > > -->> > the idler tensioner reminds me of what I had in my '85 2.2L 190D. > > -->> > the ps pump looks older too... this looks like a mid-to-late 80's > > -->> > vintage 2.5L TD out of a 201 body. > > -->> > > > -->> > how'd you get out of that thing with it so close to the wall?? > > -->> > > > -->> > what's the nearfar story? :) > > -->> > > > -->> > john > > -->> > > > -->> > On Sun, 25 Feb 2007, ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net wrote: > > -->> > > > -->> > > -->Gosh Steve: > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > -->Looks like my '93 300D 2.5 Turbo engine pretty near. A few things > > -->> > > -->on the > > -->> > > -->odd side though, like the battery..... that steering wheel on the > > -->> > > -->wrong > > -->> > > -->side is also a bit disconcerting just kidding, have logged > > -->> > > -->thousands of miles w/RHD myself, UK, Ireland and Australia. > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > -->Nice overall appearance. Let us know what the tach says at 70 MPH. > > -->> > > -->My 300D > > -->> > > -->barely turns about 2100 RPM at 70 MPH. I am curious what the rear > > -->> > > -->end gear > > -->> > > -->ratio on a gasser does with a diesel tranplanted into it. > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > -->Best regards, > > -->> > > -->Edward > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > --> > Hi folks, > > -->> > > --> > Drove 3 hours to the south of IRL and back yesterday to pick > > -->> > > --> > up the > > -->> > > --> > new addition to the "fleet".... '85 w123 Estate with a 2.5TD > > -->> > > --> > engine > > -->> > > --> > (it was originally fitted with a 2lt petrol), was told the > > -->> > > --> > brakes were > > -->> > > --> > a bit flakey so took it easy as one of the lines was wet.. it > > -->> > > --> > tended > > -->> > > --> > to wander a bit too (turned out one rear tyre was larger than > > -->> > > --> > the > > -->> > > --> > other!!). > > -->> > > --> > Pics are up here : > > -->> > > --> > http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/ > > -->> > > --> > > > -->> > > --> > > > -->> > > --> > Can anyone identify which model this engine came from? > > -->> > > --> > > > -->> > > --> > Might replace the brake lines just to be sure, anyone done this? > > -->> > > --> > Difficult? > > -->> > > --> > > > -->> > > --> > Cheers > > -->> > > --> > Steve > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > > -->> > ----- > > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -->> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > -->> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -->> > > > -->> > > --> > > --> > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2400 **********************************