From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Mar 11 18:40:35 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 12 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2412 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] the '00 xj Re: [db] the '00 xj Re: [db] the '00 xj Re: [db] the '00 xj Re: [db] the '00 xj Re: [db] the '00 xj Re: [db] the '00 xj [db] hypothetically speaking... [db] more butter for your popcorn? [db] Re: xj: the later XJs Re: [db] the '00 xj Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] the '00 xj http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 00:02:52 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] the '00 xj WHOA! MAJOR POPCORN SHORTAGE AHEAD!!!! John.....give up on DIESEL? Over what...some batteries??? This could get really, really weird...... Stay TUNED! Jason - -- john wrote: http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the '00 xj On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >-->WHOA! MAJOR POPCORN SHORTAGE AHEAD!!!! >-->John.....give up on DIESEL? Over what...some batteries??? >-->This could get really, really weird...... >-->Stay TUNED! >-->Jason yeah, one nice daily driver that will go anywhere... shadowfax is a nice car, but it's a car... what to do with 350 gallons of veggie oil if I part with my Diesel. :) maybe the J10 will eventually get assembled and I could run it for free for decades to come... :) >-->-- john wrote: >-->http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html >--> >-->is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? >-->:) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:25:17 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] the '00 xj Keep the 'old military jeep, keep the Benz, buy the silver XJ get rid of the rest, kick back with a mint julep..... My 2c and pass a bowl of popcorn someone! Edward in balmy (40 degrees today - snow almost gone!) Michigan. jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >WHOA! MAJOR POPCORN SHORTAGE AHEAD!!!! > >John.....give up on DIESEL? Over what...some batteries??? > >This could get really, really weird...... > >Stay TUNED! > >Jason > >-- john wrote: >http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html > >is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? > >:) > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 16:38:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the '00 xj On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->Keep the 'old military jeep, keep the Benz, buy the silver XJ get rid of the > -->rest, kick back with a mint julep..... > -->My 2c and pass a bowl of popcorn someone! > -->Edward in balmy (40 degrees today - snow almost gone!) Michigan. let's see if I get this right... keep the cj (no problem), the 300D, (maybe), XJ (ok), what about the WJ? see, I don't like this already... this is how I lost out on the WJ. My wife will grab the XJ and I'll be stuck with the car again... I don't want to drive a car, I WANT to drive a JEEP. I'm in a short sleeve shirt.. been walking around outside... must be in the '50s at least... yep... Sure wish we had Diesel powered XJs in the states... Kind of miss my '85 XJ with the 2.1L TD, although that engine was junk... expensive, french, troublesome junk, still liked it when it ran though. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:36:32 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] the '00 xj Sounds like you need to find a way to put some pressure on the procrastinator. Maybe park Rambo on the edge of a cliff, and threaten to put it in neutral and jump out???? Jason - -- john wrote: On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->Keep the 'old military jeep, keep the Benz, buy the silver XJ get rid of the > -->rest, kick back with a mint julep..... > -->My 2c and pass a bowl of popcorn someone! > -->Edward in balmy (40 degrees today - snow almost gone!) Michigan. let's see if I get this right... keep the cj (no problem), the 300D, (maybe), XJ (ok), what about the WJ? see, I don't like this already... this is how I lost out on the WJ. My wife will grab the XJ and I'll be stuck with the car again... I don't want to drive a car, I WANT to drive a JEEP. I'm in a short sleeve shirt.. been walking around outside... must be in the '50s at least... yep... Sure wish we had Diesel powered XJs in the states... Kind of miss my '85 XJ with the 2.1L TD, although that engine was junk... expensive, french, troublesome junk, still liked it when it ran though. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:21:55 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] the '00 xj On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >-->Sounds like you need to find a way to put some pressure on the >-->procrastinator. Maybe park Rambo on the edge of a cliff, and threaten >-->to put it in neutral and jump out???? >--> >-->Jason I don't think that would hurt it... :) and it would only improve it's appearance... I think my buddy knows that my wife has forbidden that thing from my driveway... so I don't have many options here... my J10 is in a bazillion pieces, my wife won't let me bring Rambo home... I'm between a lifted jeep and a hard place. :) Trading my Benz for that nice XJ, buying the other XJ for the heated leather seats, fixing it and selling it, selling the '91 GW, waiting for the J10 to get it's 6.2L and hope it's this year, and then living happily ever after is starting to sound good... we'll see... options are limited when your resources are in little piles 105 miles south of you. :( john >--> >-->-- john wrote: >-->On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >--> >-->> -->Keep the 'old military jeep, keep the Benz, buy the silver XJ get >-->rid of the >-->> -->rest, kick back with a mint julep..... >-->> -->My 2c and pass a bowl of popcorn someone! >-->> -->Edward in balmy (40 degrees today - snow almost gone!) Michigan. >--> >-->let's see if I get this right... >--> >-->keep the cj (no problem), the 300D, (maybe), XJ (ok), what about the >-->WJ? >--> >-->see, I don't like this already... this is how I lost out on the WJ. My >-->wife will grab the XJ and I'll be stuck with the car again... I don't >-->want >-->to drive a car, I WANT to drive a JEEP. >--> >-->I'm in a short sleeve shirt.. been walking around outside... must be >-->in the '50s >-->at least... yep... >--> >-->Sure wish we had Diesel powered XJs in the states... Kind of miss >-->my '85 XJ with the 2.1L TD, although that engine was junk... expensive, >-->french, troublesome junk, still liked it when it ran though. :) >--> >-->john >--> >--> ----- >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:07:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] hypothetically speaking... ...if, and as the popcorn munching crowd is more than well aware, if, I decide to get this 2000 XJ, see: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html I may be able to trade the '91 300D as part of the deal... I know that the Benz is worth more in reality than the '00 XJ, although book values are nearly identical... at this point a straight trade would save sales tax and the issue of where I was going to come up with the money... HOWEVER, I know there are folks on the list that have expressed interest in Shadowfax... so, if I move forward on the XJ, is there anyone interested in the Benz on a cash basis? I know most of you think I'm probably crazy for parting with the 300D, and maybe I am... but the 300D won't tow my trailer, the seats are miserable for long trips and of course there is the Rube Goldberg Design Award for the climate control... but still, 30 mpg in town is pretty sweet. With a 10.2 mile one way drive to work, the extra $86.34 per month in gasoline vs. Diesel (assuming $3 for both) will be partially offset by savings in insurance. So, if you're interested in the '91 300D with the 2.5L TD, email me ASAP at dieseljohn-at-comcast.net... I'll check email before meeting the guy with the XJ tomorrow at 1pm. The reason the kid wants to sell the XJ is something with better economy... he's going to school. Even if this one doesn't work out, there is the black '01 that I will be looking at later this week... (thinking upgrading interior of the '00 with the leather seats from the '01). No final decisions yet... still exploring options in light of horrific delays in the dream Full Size Jeep department. I talked with my wife, and she's all for ONE nice vehicle and sell off the fleet... keeping the '99 WJ, a nice XJ, the CJ and either the trailer or the J10... I'm still clinging to the ridiculous fantasy that my J10 will be reassembled and configured with the 6.2L Diesel. Seeing as how I have no other earthly options with the J10 now, all I can do is hope and wait... and continue stock piling Veggie Oil for the glorious day the dawg comes home... Still waiting to hear on the counter offer on the '91 GW as well... may take a day off work and fix up Omega and put him on ebay... back to homework. :) later, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:20:57 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] more butter for your popcorn? just test drove the 2000 XJ. not impressed. very nice rig, clean... had been in a minor front end crash... tires aren't stock... steers hard, brakes are weak (typical), vague feel, claustraphobic feel with the roof console... looking at the 2001 on thursday, will probably get and fix that one because it's a bargain and use it until my J10 is done... sure, I'm delusional and optimistic at the same time. :) No way would I part with Shadowfax for that '00 XJ. Need to figure out to make the seat comfortable for my wife. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: xj: the later XJs that's not all the late model XJs apparently have issues with. it didn't feel right to me... steering was heavy, brakes humble, acceleration less than exciting... no foot room, claustraphobic inside... I think I'll test drive a '96, see if I can find a Country model. I really like the looks of the '97 and up XJ, but this is the 2nd or 3rd I've checked out and not been happy. Really liking my '91 300D today. :) john On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > -->hi! > --> > --> not sure what you can do about the bad angles created by the low pinion > -->front dif without changing axles; it's not as simple as dealing with rear > -->shaft vibes by doing a Short-Output Tail Cone (commonly included in and/or > -->referred to as a Slip Yoke Eliminator). > --> > --> > -->cheers! > -->e > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > -->> thanx ernest... > -->> > -->> was thinking a 2-3" lift... what's involved in dealing with the low pinion > -->> angle then? > -->> > -->> the multiple coil and computer setup isn't bad, my '99 WJ with > -->> the 4.0L had that, makes it easier to troubleshoot AND no > -->> plug wires. :) > -->> > -->> agreed on the plastic... actually like the looks of the newer > -->> model... looking at a brush guard to protect the front, > -->> and nerf bars... may go with an aftermarket rear bumper... haven't > -->> decided yet... the back ends of the newer ones need something... > -->> they look a little plain, but the metal hatch is an improvement... > -->> I don't think the rear window flips up though... :( > -->> > -->> I know, maybe a rear tire carrier... ;) > -->> > -->> thanx, > -->> john > -->> > -->> On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->hi! > -->> > --> > -->> > --> not sure when it started, and it probably doesn't matter to you if > -->> > -->you're > -->> > -->not going to be lifting it, but one potential issue is that the later > -->> > -->XJs > -->> > -->used a low-pinion front dif making for steeper front driveline angles > -->> > -->and > -->> > -->blessing you with all the challenges inherent to that... > -->> > --> yes the automatics were still the AW4; it was that way all the way > -->> > -->until > -->> > -->the end. > -->> > --> later models like that had the multiple coil ignition; some like > -->> > -->it, but > -->> > -->it seems like a solution to a problem most never had. > -->> > --> > -->> > --> other than that, the only big 'issue' is that it seemed like most > -->> > -->of the > -->> > -->XJs produced towards the end were just too full of plastic and > -->> > -->electric > -->> > -->gizmos that wound up needing too much attention. > -->> > --> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->cheers! > -->> > -->e > -->> > --> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->john wrote: > -->> > --> > Are there any issues with the 2000 and 2001 XJs? > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > Do they still have the AW4 trans? > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > Anyone know of anything in particular to look out for? > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > I'm probably going to get rid of the '91 Grand Wagoneer > -->> > --> > and my '91 300D to get the 2000 Cherokee Classic... so > -->> > --> > please speak up now if you know of anything. :) > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > thanx, > -->> > --> > john > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > ----- > -->> > --> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > -->> > --> > mold > -->> > --> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > --> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> > -->> > > -->> > -->> ----- > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:33:11 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] the '00 xj Alex? Jon? Where are you guys?!?! I can't go this alone!!!! ;) Jim > http://www.wagoneers.com/tmp/XJ-2000/ALL.html > > is this worth trading or selling my '91 300D for? > > :) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2412 **********************************