From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 19 14:00:17 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 19 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2419 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Possible donor car [db] RE: you need one of these Re: [db] fuel heating ideas Re: [db] Possible donor car [db] Re: fsj: heading to town... in Omega [db] RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) [db] Re: fsj: heading to town... in Omega [db] Re: fsj: RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) Re: [db] RE: you need one of these Re: [db] RE: you need one of these Re: [db] RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) Re: [db] RE: you need one of these Re: [db] RE: you need one of these Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:34:47 -0700 From: "Derick Amburgey" Subject: Re: [db] Possible donor car John, A coworker of mine may be buying it to fix his 300. If he does I will let him know you are interested. >hey, if you get it, I might be interested in the fuel tank. :) >still thinking dual fuel setup... > >john _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: you need one of these would be sweet... if only... :) On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Meister Mark C A1C 612 ACOMS/A6DSP wrote: http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/0509dp_mercedes_benz_e420_cdi/ ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fuel heating ideas that's what I'm thinking... recirculating the veggie oil to the tank will raise the temp of the tank on a long trip... plus you shouldn't dump that back into the Diesel tank. When I hooked up my dual tanks on my J10 I got the return lines switched... over flowed the auxillary tank and had a slight EPA incident in the parking lot at work. :) john On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >-->You just need a second tank in the trunk, my heater under the hood, >-->(can be made into almost any shape you need) and get a solenoid valve >-->from the folks at Greasel.com and be happy! Seriously, on-demand is >-->the way to do it. You're not going to get 160 degrees or anything >-->close out of a piddly little coil in a tank. Just clogged arteries..... >--> >-->It's not hard to make....took me about 2 hours, I think..... >--> >-->Jason >--> >-->-- john wrote: >-->my '91 300d has the heated windshield washer setup... a set >-->of coils dipped into the tank... I bypassed it because I noticed >-->I was attempting to wash my windshield with antifreeze... in case >-->you've never tried that... don't. It doesn't work very well. :) >--> >-->Anyway, the coil is out right now and was thinking that If I put >-->that coil into a container of veggie oil that I could probably >-->heat it up, maybe even to the 160 degrees needed. >--> >-->The trunk of the 124 would hold another fuel tank quite easily... >-->but with the economy that we see I doubt I would need to heat >-->a full 15 to 20 gallons of fuel at once... If I had a container >-->under the hood that held even a gallon of fuel as a reservoir >-->before hitting the pump I could heat it... or maybe I'd need >-->a bit more... thoughts? Need to figure out how to automatically >-->switch the fuel from Diesel to veggie oil when the veggie hits >-->160 degrees, and then have a way of switching back before shutting >-->down... otherwise it might lead to hardening of the arteries >-->and very hard starting. :) >--> >-->I could figure out a way of circulating the fuel from there to >-->the aux tank in the rear and heat it up for longer trips... >-->I could use a block heater of some kind to plug the car in >-->and preheat both tanks and the engine... I wonder if I'd >-->be able to find veggie oil out there on a trip... need to >-->figure out an easy way of filtering it as I put it in the vehicle too. >-->it could be real messy... >--> >-->I've got to write a paper on the legal aspects of Alternate >-->Fuels for this law class, finish my Masters Capstone Project >-->on the difference in power consumption between Windows and Linux >-->and then I'll have some time to fix my vehicles and start working >-->on the Veggie setup... Giving some thought to going with a >-->Diesel in my GW. Will let my procrastinating buddy in centralia >-->finish the J10 with the 6.2 that's down there. I found a 6.5 >-->up here with trans/xfr case out of a '94... bad head gasket... 220k >-->on it... not sure what it'll take to fix or if I'll go for it, need >-->to talk to some other mechanics to find out why a 6.5 would need >-->a head gasket... but the trans and xfr case would work with another >-->6.2 and I believe a '94 would have the correct drop for my axle. >--> >-->Also thinking that the rear doors on my '67 J100 might be made to >-->fit on my '91 Grand Wagoneer... need to talk to a body shop... suspect >-->it'll be outrageously expense to make it work though... I think >-->the bodies are slightly different, and the doors are really rough on >-->the '67. :( >--> >-->I did talk to a fiberglass fabricator years ago about building a >-->hatchback for the GW... in other words, there is some hope of getting >-->over my dislike for the GW tailgate and building up a running gear that >-->will use veggie oil. I could see keeping both the J10 and the GW >-->if they're both Diesels. Who knows, maybe if I do a good enough job >-->on the GW my wife will drive it. :) >--> >-->Anyway, back to the paper on alternate fuels... will post it on >-->my server when I'm done. It's the last bit of work for TMGT 621, >-->(Federal Regulations, Ethics and the Legal System). My prof is >-->interested in this topic and suggested this research topic... going >-->to identify setting up a vehicle for ethanol as well as biodiesel >-->in the intro... figure it might be helpful. Got links? Should have >-->it done this weekend. already have all the legislation pulled down... >--> >-->john >--> >--> ----- >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >--> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >-->---------------------------------------------------------------------- >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Possible donor car no problem, no rush, if it's available I'll take it, otherwise I'll figure out something else... thinking about just using the 5 gallon buckets and making a tray and bracket to hold it in the trunk... something easily removed that won't affect the value of the benz. A complete tank may be overkill, but easier... maybe. :) I will attain my goal of having ONE daily driver 4x4 with Veggie oil. The 124/300D is a great car and in the fleet until my dream is realized... popcorn munchers have a hunch that will be a while... probably, sadly, right. john On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Derick Amburgey wrote: > -->John, > --> > -->A coworker of mine may be buying it to fix his 300. If he does I will let > -->him know you are interested. > --> > -->>hey, if you get it, I might be interested in the fuel tank. :) > -->>still thinking dual fuel setup... > -->> > -->>john > --> > -->_________________________________________________________________ > -->i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. > -->Join Now. > - -->http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://i m.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:09:44 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: [db] Re: fsj: heading to town... in Omega On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 08:16:30PM -0700, john wrote: > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, john wrote: > >-->on our way to Snohomish, FSJ in use... > >-->john > > disregard... didn't get out of the driveway. :) If this isn't a jeep moment, I don't know what is :) K ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) popcorn munchers... 1st off, is this driveline good? 2nd, what are the dimensions of the W250? would I be able to: 1) put my J10 body and bed on this frame (shortening the frame for the stepside) or 2) put my Grand Wagoneer body on this frame (shortening frame of course) or would I be better off just moving the engine/trans to the GW. The '83 J10 is scheduled for the 6.2L Diesel and I only need one $550 adapter to make it all work... curtis is promising this summer... same promise I've heard for the last six years... but being the eternal optimist I'm hoping that nothing bad happens to him this year and that he really will be able to keep his promise this time... but working on a contingency plan, I'm thinking the cummins in the GW would be interesting... supposedly the Cummins is mated to a 727 as it's a 3speed... that means I might be able to recase it or use it with my Xfr case... thoughts? chances are this project will not mature... but it's giving us something to chew popcorn with. ;) I am going to get a Diesel powered Jeep... some how, some way... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- is a passenger drop front output. Thanks, Rob. 1990 Dodge W250 Cummins, auto 4X4 $2900 1990 Dodge 172000 miles on an excellent running Cummins 3 speed auto around 35000 miles on a rebuild D60 front 3.07 gears D70 rear 3.07 gears 33" BFG mt's 90% tread on aluminum wheels standard cab long box good parts truck cause she is ugly needs brake work badly (warped rotors, and bad calipers) 2900 good cheap strong running Cummins powered 4X4 truck, I am moving soon and this has to go!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:25:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: heading to town... in Omega On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Kevin wrote: >-->On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 08:16:30PM -0700, john wrote: >-->> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, john wrote: >-->> >-->on our way to Snohomish, FSJ in use... >-->> >-->john >-->> >-->> disregard... didn't get out of the driveway. :) >--> >-->If this isn't a jeep moment, I don't know what is :) >-->K well, in fairness to Full Size Jeeps every where, it COULD have made it town and back... but darkness was falling upon us and parking lights don't provide enough illumination... I must have knocked a wire loose for the dimmer switch in putting the wiring back in place... why can't they make vehicles with easy to access wiring??? haven't had one yet that was easy to deal with connectors... :) at least on the Grand Wagoneer I can stick my arm up under the dash, can't do that on the Benz... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:24:58 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: [db] Re: fsj: RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) I have thought about a cummins in a grand wagoneer. Someone showed me a picture of it, so it's doable, don't know how much sledgehammer action was required to make it happen. Anyways. Yes, the three speed used was a 727. I wouldn't expect the jeep's 727 to hold up to a cummins, and I wouldn't expect an NP228/229 to either. I'd probably be planning on using the trans and transfercase from the W250 and just not mess with it. As far as axles, you'll want the powerram axles as well, dana 44s are NOT going to like having that much torque for very long. The front might last, but why? Especially since your two jeeps that you'd consider this with are driver's drop and would need a different axle to use the powerram transfercase. As far as engine/trans goes, both should last you a while if the trans was indeed rebuilt. I'd figure it would be easier to swap in the axles and drivetrain from the ram to the jeep than try to put the jeep on the dodge frame. Wiring for a cummins that early is fairly simple, don't think the ECU has much (if any) control. The 727 is also not electronic. $3000 seems like a lot of money for a drivetrain donor. Then again, the cummins and axles fetch some decent money in the marketplace, especially the dana 60 that guys are paying $1500+ for down here to put in rockcrawlers. On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:23:17PM -0700, john wrote: > popcorn munchers... > > 1st off, is this driveline good? > 2nd, what are the dimensions of the W250? > > would I be able to: > 1) put my J10 body and bed on this frame (shortening the frame for the stepside) > or > 2) put my Grand Wagoneer body on this frame (shortening frame of course) > > or would I be better off just moving the engine/trans to the GW. > > The '83 J10 is scheduled for the 6.2L Diesel and I only need one $550 adapter > to make it all work... curtis is promising this summer... same promise I've > heard for the last six years... but being the eternal optimist I'm hoping that > nothing bad happens to him this year and that he really will be able to keep > his promise this time... > > but working on a contingency plan, I'm thinking the cummins in the GW would > be interesting... > > supposedly the Cummins is mated to a 727 as it's a 3speed... that means > I might be able to recase it or use it with my Xfr case... > > thoughts? > > chances are this project will not mature... but it's giving us something > to chew popcorn with. ;) > > I am going to get a Diesel powered Jeep... some how, some way... > > :) > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > is a passenger drop front output. Thanks, Rob. > 1990 Dodge W250 Cummins, auto 4X4 $2900 > 1990 Dodge > 172000 miles on an excellent running Cummins > 3 speed auto around 35000 miles on a rebuild > D60 front 3.07 gears > D70 rear 3.07 gears > 33" BFG mt's 90% tread on aluminum wheels > standard cab long box > good parts truck cause she is ugly > needs brake work badly (warped rotors, and bad calipers) > 2900 good cheap strong running Cummins powered 4X4 truck, > I am moving soon and this has to go!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:33:09 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] RE: you need one of these John drooled: >would be sweet... if only... :) > >On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Meister Mark C A1C 612 ACOMS/A6DSP wrote: >http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/0509dp_mercedes_benz_e420_cdi/ > MAMA MIA!!! I thought my '95 was pretty cool. That E420 CDI makes my E300D perform like my '81 Rabbit!!!! If our government would pull their misinformed heads out of their collective backsides, we'd be seeing a flood of cool diesels over here. Hybrids, bio-diesel, ethanol and mandating increased fleet mpg's will only go so far in reducing our dependence on foreign oil. If the average American driver had access to the new diesels we'd see a 30% plus reduction in fuel usage within 5 years. The technology needed to make the other alternatives viable in the same time frame are "iffy" IMHO.... Jon '95 E300D "Ernestine" '84 300SD "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:37:04 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] RE: you need one of these I love it! "But come on, how cool would the bragging rights be to pull in your neighbor's driveway in this innocent-looking luxury sedan next to his LB7 Duramax and say, 'I've got more torque than you.' " (314 horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 538 lb./ft. of torque at 2,200 rpm) On 3/19/07, john wrote: > would be sweet... if only... :) > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Meister Mark C A1C 612 ACOMS/A6DSP wrote: > http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/0509dp_mercedes_benz_e420_cdi/ > > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:37:37 -0400 From: "Jim Hoffman" Subject: Re: [db] RE: How about a Dodge diesel? (fwd) > I am going to get a Diesel powered Jeep... some how, some way... > > :) > john If you go the route of transplanting the body, how much is really a "Jeep" anymore?? ;) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:43:15 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] RE: you need one of these It's even more fun showing duramaxes taillights out on the road. While towing. Little hard shifting a six speed manual fast with a broken ankle though ;) Yes, John, you need a cummins. :) On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:37:04PM -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: > I love it! > > "But come on, how cool would the bragging rights be to pull in your > neighbor's driveway in this innocent-looking luxury sedan next to his > LB7 Duramax and say, 'I've got more torque than you.' " (314 > horsepower at 3,600 rpm and 538 lb./ft. of torque at 2,200 rpm) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: you need one of these if ignorance is bliss... this place must be paradise. the ignorance of the general population is overwhelming, and the unawareness of those that would bring down our hydroelectric dams, shut down our Diesels and close our vast wilderness areas to mankind is even more depressing and disgusting. On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Jon Filina wrote: > -->John drooled: > --> > -->>would be sweet... if only... :) > -->> > -->>On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Meister Mark C A1C 612 ACOMS/A6DSP wrote: > -->>http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/0509dp_mercedes_benz_e420_cdi/ > -->> > --> > -->MAMA MIA!!! > --> > -->I thought my '95 was pretty cool. That E420 CDI makes my E300D perform like > -->my '81 Rabbit!!!! > --> > -->If our government would pull their misinformed heads out of their collective > -->backsides, we'd be seeing a flood of cool diesels over here. Hybrids, > -->bio-diesel, ethanol and mandating increased fleet mpg's will only go so far > -->in reducing our dependence on foreign oil. If the average American driver > -->had access to the new diesels we'd see a 30% plus reduction in fuel usage > -->within 5 years. The technology needed to make the other alternatives viable > -->in the same time frame are "iffy" IMHO.... > --> > --> > -->Jon > -->'95 E300D "Ernestine" > -->'84 300SD "Bruno" > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2419 **********************************