From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Mar 26 13:42:25 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 26 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2426 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Tragedy of Storage Space Re: [db] Leak cured maybe but no fuel [db] tempted fate... without popcorn! [db] looking for an ASD module... [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:38:47 -0700 From: "Roger Shoaf" Subject: Re: [db] Tragedy of Storage Space Jerry, It appears to me that the problem you have is the all to common problem of not having a big enough shop/garage/airplane hangar. Far too often designers of our domestic dwellings think garages are only places to store automobiles and place washing machines and water heaters. This is absurd. Guys need tools and stuff and a place to work or hide from the wife and drink beer with your friends. Roger Shoaf About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then they come up with this striped stuff. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Kaidor" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [db] Tragedy of Storage Space > Ah, city life. The extent to which I lack storage space is such that I > spent yesterday disassembling an engine block. It's the orginal engine > from my Triumph TR2. It's been taking up a chunk of extremely primo > garage real estate for the past 20 years. > Now it;s a well known fact that > > a. An engine takes up less space when it's together (duhhh) > b. It's advantageous to store it assembled because when you do take it > apart to rebuild it, everthing's there without exception. > > However > > With it apart, I can store the bits and pieces of it in some less primo > locations than the floor of my garage. > > I wrapped the crankshaft and camshaft in plastic and duct tape, and > labelled them clearly with permanent marker. > > With all the guts taken out of it, the block is movable and (barely) > liftable. Unfortunately, I am not as strong as I was when I stored it - > back then I could have put it *anywhere*. > > I will probably never use it - the Triumph covers less than a thousand > miles a year, and I totally rebuilt the engine ten years ago. > > But it's a good thing I kept it anyway: British cars of that vintage > were registered not under their chassis number, but rather under their > engine number. So the VIN # is that of the engine, and it's existence in > my garage is living proof that the car is indeed mine. > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Leak cured maybe but no fuel any air should have escaped... are you sure you put all the pieces back in properly? you're a brave soul running it that long... if there is something messed up it could make it worse... john On Sun, 25 Mar 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->Yep - finally got it to fire up, runs on 2 maybe 3 cylinders, shakes like a > -->dog at idle, when I can make it idle. Won't go over 3500 rpm no matter what > -->I do to the pedal. If that doesent sound like your description, I don't > -->know what does. > --> > -->Fire up the grey matter and see if you can remember what it took to make it > -->run smooth again. As it is, I can't even drive it, dies when put in gear. I > -->let the thing run/idle for almost 1 hour, no change, loud clanks from > -->engine, no power to speak of. Ugh, hate to have to tow it to the mechanic. > -->Hate to have to take it all apart again to check my handiwork. Don't think I > -->messed up anything, all parts went back in the same way they came out and in > -->the same sequence, and the engine ran fine before. I guess there could still > -->be some air in the steel lines, maybe now that it has been run, I can crack > -->open the nut at the injectors and see if fuel oozes out? Any other > -->suggestions out there? > --> > -->Edward > --> > --> > --> > -->john wrote: > --> > -->>It's been a while since I did this... did I make > -->>any comments on my page? I vaguely remember it > -->>running like crap initially... I also remember > -->>getting a ticket for doing nearly 90mph in a 60 > -->>going up the US 2 hill off of the Hewitt Avenue trestle to SR 9 to test it > -->>afterwards for leaks... > -->>I've had gas powered vehicles that could barely hit > -->>70 up that hill... the 450SEL had no problems > -->>hitting triple digits... of course I won't use > -->>this as a test track again... :) it's safe, > -->>but didn't expect an authority figure to be > -->>sitting on the other side of the road at the > -->>on ramp... :) The gentleman understood my > -->>explanation and logic, reduced the fine > -->>and suggested explaining it to a judge to get > -->>it cleared completely. I just decided > -->>to pay the fine... no other way of testing > -->>it, but still... shouldn't have been doing that... > -->> > -->>really miss the Autobahn. :) > -->> > -->>john > -->> > -->>On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->Yep - all the high pressure parts are tight to about 18 tp 20 ft lbs. > -->> > -->Only the lines are loose. > -->> > -->I am charging the battery as it ran down after a few crankings, the > -->> > -->car has been in storage for the last 4 months. The rains these past 3 > -->> > -->days have washed most of the salt off the roads, which is when I get > -->> > -->the diesel ready for commuting again. > -->> > --> > -->> > -->Will call it a day and go back in the morning to try again. Maybe > -->> > -->with full power cranking will push fuel up the lines. > -->> > --> > -->> > -->Thanks for the fast reply, > -->> > -->Edward > -->> > --> > -->> > -->john wrote: > -->> > --> > -->> > --> >I don't think you'll build pressure in the system > -->> > --> >with those loose... I wouldn't worry about bleeding > -->> > --> >the air there... if you think that is an issue, > -->> > --> >then ONLY loosen the lines NOT the high pressure parts... > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> >john > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> >On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > > -->93 Turbo 300D with 2.5 , 5 cyl engine. > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > -->John & DB Gang: > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > -->Following the excellent pictures provided by John, and the > -->> > --> > > -->so-so manuals on > -->> > --> > > -->hand, I disconnected all the plumbing between the injectors > -->> > --> > > -->and the fuel > -->> > --> > > -->injection pump, then one by one, removed the pump head > -->> > --> > > -->valves, cleaned > -->> > --> > > -->them, put in new copper washers and o rings, then assembled > -->> > --> > > -->same back > -->> > --> > > -->together. Managed the whole lt in about 3 hours from start > -->> > --> > > -->to finish. Then, and this is the big THEN... I left each > -->> > --> > > -->collar nut just finger tight > -->> > --> > > -->on the pipe unions both above and below (at the injectors and > -->> > --> > > -->at the > -->> > --> > > -->delivery valves) thinking that by cranking the engine with > -->> > --> > > -->all this loose, > -->> > --> > > -->diesel should force it's way up the tubes, pushing out all > -->> > --> > > -->the air, and > -->> > --> > > -->when diesel was to be oozing/squirting out of all jounts, I > -->> > --> > > -->planned to > -->> > --> > > -->tighten them up (I did cover all the area with rags). > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > -->Of course, this is not what happens. Essentially I can crank > -->> > --> > > -->the engine > -->> > --> > > -->and no diesel seems to ooze out of anywhere. > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > -->The pump lever which heretofore was kind of upright is now > -->> > --> > > -->horizontal, and > -->> > --> > > -->if I lever it up and down, I can feel some resistance, but no > -->> > --> > > -->diesel seems > -->> > --> > > -->to be feeding anwhere that I can tell.. I am not actually > -->> > --> > > -->sure what the > -->> > --> > > -->lever does to be honest. > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > -->The manuals I have make no mention of a procedure to get the > -->> > --> > > -->diesel back in > -->> > --> > > -->the lines..... HELP!!! > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > -->Edward in MI - on our first over 70 day for 2007 !!! > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > --> > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > ----- > -->> > --> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > -->> > --> > mold > -->> > --> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > --> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> > -->> > > -->> > > -->> > -->> ----- > -->>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->>---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > -->> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:44:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] tempted fate... without popcorn! I tempted fate... actually test drove the '80 Scout Diesel. I had to do it... I would have always wondered... glad I did. The scout was ok. but couldn't get excited about it though. It has rust in the rocker panels, and probably more than 57,000 miles on it... blue smoke in exhaust in a Diesel... not the sign of a low mileage unit. asking price was $8650, probably worth about $4500. Of course I'm tempted to make an offer at $3k... why do I even consider such things??? I do this, and then I end getting it... the seller finally realizes his gold mine is a lead mine and off loads it on me... and I get another project.... so pray for me. I'll avoid contacting the guy... :) Anyway, Omega needs TLC, Superdawg is in a million pieces and shadowfax (the '91 300d), just keeps going and going... it just works. Omega wins the practical requirements hands down with only the tailgate and a few body wrinkles being negatives. Superdawg has the looks down, but limited cab space, longer wheelbase, no passengers and lack of weatherproof cargo. Shadowfax will stick around until all the bugs are worked out of Omega... Since I'll be doing the swap up here I may get fed up and bail on the project, or realize that having an FSJ as a daily driver is an unrealistic goal, even for a mechanic... :) If the WJ had a little better visibility, and a little better economy... ;) it has all the right gadgets, features, handling and power... towing my 2,000lb empty trailer this weekend really showed the difference in grunt between the '91's 360(5.9L) V8 and the '99's 4.7L V8. The 4.7 V8 pretends there isn't a trailer back there... it's an amazing engine. A very good swap candidate for any Full Size Jeep! Sure wish DC hadn't changed the design of the Grand Cherokee... I still might consider the WK with the CRD... it all depends on caffeine and popcorn intake... :) along with a winning lottery ticket ... :) anyway, the plan survived the weekend. :) final fleet plan: '99 WJ (4.7, "Wife's Jeep") '91 GW (with 6.2L Diesel) (omega) '83 J10 stepside (with 4.2L/t5)(superdawg) the '75 J10 trailer and the '48 CJ-2A might still stick around... shhhh... we'll see how long I can keep them around... ;) Omega will have to prove itself before I let Shadowfax go... y'all better get to costco/sams club or your local co-op to stock up on popcorn... we'll see how this year progresses... :) and how long it'll take me to get the 4.2L and weber down to Centralia and the 6.2L Diesel/700r4 and so on back up here... trailer is connected to Omega... just need to get in touch with Curtis... keep that popcorn warmed up campers... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:33:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] looking for an ASD module... it's a module for the ASD on the Diesel and some 4matics. it's a little module sitting behind the battery box. ASD module 124 series 300D 2.5L TD the anti-slip differential part numbers: 0085452432 or revised: 0135450132 my cost at the dealer is around $334, retails in the mid'$400s found this: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/MISC-INFO/124-series/W124/asd-91.jpg http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/MISC-INFO/124-series/ASD-tech-info/ASD-elex-tshoot_files/23_1.gif On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->Dunno about the ASD John, what does it look like/what do they go for > -->usually, can give him a ring and ask... > -->Steve ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:33:12 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... Well, all you klata-heads, I have the latest thoughts in my devious concepts. There are a lot of knuckleheads around here who think that loud pipes on their pickup makes them cool. So I thought I'd show them a thing or two. Since I have this klunker engine anyhow, how much can I turn it up before I get bent rods? I figure adjust the turbo to boost as much as mechanically possible, and delimit the IP so it enriches as much as mechanically possible, and we're getting what? 300hp? Well, I guess only in pipe-dreams would that 5-cylinder yield 300hp, but still, the concept is the same. So how do I turn up the boost? How do I delimit the enrichment? How much power can I ask for before things go bang in the bad way? And DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF A PERFORMANCE KIT FOR THESE ENGINES? It'd be so fun to put over-rev OHC parts in, over-rev crank and rods, and really rip it! But the consensus so far (me and 1 other lister) is that it's not out there. THOUGHTS? 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