From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 27 18:38:58 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, March 28 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2427 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... Re: [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... [db] mustard seed for biodiesel... Re: [db] mustard seed for biodiesel... Re: [db] mustard seed for biodiesel... [db] the OT solution... thanx all Re: [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... [db] OT - front wheel drive advantage? [db] OT - for grins Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... build an intercooler, modify the wastegate, crank up the injector pump, increase the exhaust diameter... add propane injection... I'd recommend a scatter shield, safety glasses and a protective cup... On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >-->Well, all you klata-heads, I have the latest thoughts in my devious >-->concepts. There are a lot of knuckleheads around here who think that >-->loud pipes on their pickup makes them cool. So I thought I'd show them >-->a thing or two. >--> >-->Since I have this klunker engine anyhow, how much can I turn it up >-->before I get bent rods? I figure adjust the turbo to boost as much as >-->mechanically possible, and delimit the IP so it enriches as much as >-->mechanically possible, and we're getting what? 300hp? >--> >-->Well, I guess only in pipe-dreams would that 5-cylinder yield 300hp, >-->but still, the concept is the same. So how do I turn up the boost? How >-->do I delimit the enrichment? How much power can I ask for before >-->things go bang in the bad way? And DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF A PERFORMANCE >-->KIT FOR THESE ENGINES? It'd be so fun to put over-rev OHC parts in, >-->over-rev crank and rods, and really rip it! But the consensus so far >-->(me and 1 other lister) is that it's not out there. THOUGHTS? >--> >-->Jason >--> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:17:43 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... Given the flame front speed of diesel, which I believe is slower than gasoline, and the non-computerized control of the injection pump, I doubt you can gain much by revving it a lot higher than the 4800 or so RPM that an OM617 will hit normally. And remember not to look just for HP. Didn't you watch those cartooney Saab commercials a few years ago? It's the "rush of torque," not of HP, that provides the thrills. ;-) Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 218K On 3/26/07, john wrote: > build an intercooler, modify the wastegate, crank up the injector pump, > increase the exhaust diameter... add propane injection... > > I'd recommend a scatter shield, safety glasses and a protective cup... > > On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > >-->Well, all you klata-heads, I have the latest thoughts in my devious > >-->concepts. There are a lot of knuckleheads around here who think that > >-->loud pipes on their pickup makes them cool. So I thought I'd show them > >-->a thing or two. > >--> > >-->Since I have this klunker engine anyhow, how much can I turn it up > >-->before I get bent rods? I figure adjust the turbo to boost as much as > >-->mechanically possible, and delimit the IP so it enriches as much as > >-->mechanically possible, and we're getting what? 300hp? > >--> > >-->Well, I guess only in pipe-dreams would that 5-cylinder yield 300hp, > >-->but still, the concept is the same. So how do I turn up the boost? How > >-->do I delimit the enrichment? How much power can I ask for before > >-->things go bang in the bad way? And DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF A PERFORMANCE > >-->KIT FOR THESE ENGINES? It'd be so fun to put over-rev OHC parts in, > >-->over-rev crank and rods, and really rip it! But the consensus so far > >-->(me and 1 other lister) is that it's not out there. THOUGHTS? > >--> > >-->Jason > >--> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] mustard seed for biodiesel... got word that a local transit group is pushing biodiesel on mustard seed... > In my role at "X" Transit, we are under some political pressure > to support bio-fuel, but the "pushers" have zero technical knowledge > of what alternatives are out there, and how much sense they make. > Locally, we seem to be bent on supporting mustard seed growers in the > area, without regard to economics. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- mustard seed 481 572 430 61 Vegetable oil yields Biodiesel yield = oil yield x 0.8 approx. Note: These are conservative estimates -- crop yields can vary widely. Ascending order Crop kg oil/ha litres oil/ha lbs oil/acre US gal/acre corn (maize) 145 172 129 18 cashew nut 148 176 132 19 oats 183 217 163 23 lupine 195 232 175 25 kenaf 230 273 205 29 calendula 256 305 229 33 cotton 273 325 244 35 hemp 305 363 272 39 soybean 375 446 335 48 coffee 386 459 345 49 linseed (flax) 402 478 359 51 hazelnuts 405 482 362 51 euphorbia 440 524 393 56 pumpkin seed 449 534 401 57 coriander 450 536 402 57 mustard seed 481 572 430 61 camelina 490 583 438 62 sesame 585 696 522 74 safflower 655 779 585 83 rice 696 828 622 88 tung oil tree 790 940 705 100 sunflowers 800 952 714 102 cocoa (cacao) 863 1026 771 110 peanuts 890 1059 795 113 opium poppy 978 1163 873 124 rapeseed 1000 1190 893 127 olives 1019 1212 910 129 castor beans 1188 1413 1061 151 pecan nuts 1505 1791 1344 191 jojoba 1528 1818 1365 194 jatropha 1590 1892 1420 202 macadamia nuts 1887 2246 1685 240 brazil nuts 2010 2392 1795 255 avocado 2217 2638 1980 282 coconut 2260 2689 2018 287 oil palm 5000 5950 4465 635 from: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:37:10 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] mustard seed for biodiesel... >Vegetable oil yields >Biodiesel yield = oil yield x 0.8 approx. >Note: These are conservative estimates -- crop yields can vary widely. (forgive my abuse of terminology, I am not a botanist!) I wonder, given that so many of these crops are really *trees* rather than a plant that you grow in a single season, or even two seasons per year... how they divide by TIME? In other words, you may be able to get ~200 gallons-per-acre out of pecans, but how LONG will that take? 5 years? 15 years? I imagine you could get several thousand gallons per acre from Canola (aka rapeseed) within the same time frame. What is the process for extracting oil from say, a palm? Does it require harvesting the whole tree? If so I can't imagine it is a viable long-term solution. But I could be wrong. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] mustard seed for biodiesel... journey to forever should put that into that table... maybe they don't know... :) good questions... you should research this and write a paper. ;) john On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->>Vegetable oil yields > -->>Biodiesel yield = oil yield x 0.8 approx. > -->>Note: These are conservative estimates -- crop yields can vary widely. > --> > -->(forgive my abuse of terminology, I am not a botanist!) > -->I wonder, given that so many of these crops are really *trees* rather than a > -->plant that you grow in a single season, or even two seasons per year... how > -->they divide by TIME? > --> > -->In other words, you may be able to get ~200 gallons-per-acre out of pecans, > -->but how LONG will that take? 5 years? 15 years? I imagine you could get > -->several thousand gallons per acre from Canola (aka rapeseed) within the same > -->time frame. > --> > -->What is the process for extracting oil from say, a palm? Does it require > -->harvesting the whole tree? If so I can't imagine it is a viable long-term > -->solution. But I could be wrong. > --> > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] the OT solution... thanx all ok, got the badly needed help on my math problem... I won't say who was right, wrong or way out there... doesn't matter... it ALL helped. thanx ALL. :) Estimated Average Power Usage for XP and SuSE and savings. (laptop models not listed in this table... showing averages and estimates only) mAh battery | voltage | | avg XP minutes | | | avg XP Watts | | | | avg SuSE minutes | | | | | avg SuSE Watts | | | | | | estimated Linux power savings 4700 11.1 132 23.71 161.8 19.35 18.51% 6600 10.8 216 19.82 266 16.07 18.82% 4700 11.1 171 18.31 215 14.59 20.13% 4700 11.1 155 20.20 198.8 15.75 21.98% 6600 11.1 313 14.04 407 10.80 22.64% 8400 10.8 168 32.40 230 23.67 26.87% 3600 11.1 79 30.35 111 21.52 28.27% 4000 11.1 109 24.44 156 17.08 30.06% 7600 10.8 154 31.98 242 20.33 36.36% 3600 14.4 75 41.38 123 25.25 38.66% 4400 14.8 181 21.59 302 21.59 39.98% john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:29:54 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] Tempting fate w/ diesel fuel....... some ideas here : http://schumanautomotive.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 more here ;-) http://www.wadeperformanceproducts.com/diesel.html Steve On 3/26/07, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Well, all you klata-heads, I have the latest thoughts in my devious > concepts. There are a lot of knuckleheads around here who think that > loud pipes on their pickup makes them cool. So I thought I'd show them > a thing or two. > > Since I have this klunker engine anyhow, how much can I turn it up > before I get bent rods? I figure adjust the turbo to boost as much as > mechanically possible, and delimit the IP so it enriches as much as > mechanically possible, and we're getting what? 300hp? > > Well, I guess only in pipe-dreams would that 5-cylinder yield 300hp, > but still, the concept is the same. So how do I turn up the boost? How > do I delimit the enrichment? How much power can I ask for before > things go bang in the bad way? And DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF A PERFORMANCE > KIT FOR THESE ENGINES? It'd be so fun to put over-rev OHC parts in, > over-rev crank and rods, and really rip it! But the consensus so far > (me and 1 other lister) is that it's not out there. THOUGHTS? > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:05:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] OT - front wheel drive advantage? http://www.komoradio.com/news/local/6713801.html ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] OT - for grins so microsoft bragging about it's power saving in Vista... loaded Vista on one of my test laptops: VISTA - 128 minutes (2nd test tomorrow) XP - 201 - 226 minutes SuSE - 251 - 288 minutes this system only saw 18% power savings over all in Linux. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2427 **********************************