From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Mar 31 08:47:08 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, March 31 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2429 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] ml series questions Re: [db] ml series questions Re: [db] ml series questions Re: [db] ml series questions Re: [db] ml series questions Re: [db] ml series questions Re: [db] ml series questions Re: [db] ml series questions [db] in case you wanted to buy a new plane... Re: [db] ml series questions Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:23:57 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions >another question, the ML320 requires premium for the 3.2L V6, >what happens if you run the regular 89 octane instead of the 92 octane? > >Damage, power loss or loss of economy? Both... PLUS: Possible reversal of the earth's magnetic field, ringing in the ears, erectile dysfunction, loss of appetite, potential alteration of the fabric of time & space, male pattern baldness, bad marks on your "permanent record", dizziness, night sweats, numbness of the extremities, a drift towards Libertarian politics, currency devaluation, back pain, unexplained purple areas of the skin, a strange desire to stare at the Zamboni, and an increased risk of a mild form of halitosis. Women who are pregnant, nursing, or who may become pregnant should consult their accountants before using 89 octane. Ask your doctor if 89 octane is right for you. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions both??? there were THREE OPTIONS... and I'm really in trouble, already exhibit 92% of these symptoms and I've been using 36 Cetane! :) so, I'm assuming power loss and economy loss... in gas engines that I've run premium in I saw a mile or two gain... but the cost didn't make it worthwhile... just thinking about options for fleet consolidation... the plan remains the same, or is that the song remains the same... right now... but just thinking about all the little pitb details that go into an engine swap... and then into a vehicle that is already exhibiting issues in areas not under the hood... in other words, life is short and getting shorter... is it really worth all the trouble to get a Diesel in a Jeep? Still kind of looking at the CRD in the KJ... can't get excited about the seats, the looks or the suspension, otherwise it's fine. :) john On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->>another question, the ML320 requires premium for the 3.2L V6, > -->>what happens if you run the regular 89 octane instead of the 92 octane? > -->> > -->>Damage, power loss or loss of economy? > --> > -->Both... PLUS: > --> > --> > -->Possible reversal of the earth's magnetic field, ringing in the ears, > -->erectile dysfunction, loss of appetite, potential alteration of the fabric > -->of time & space, male pattern baldness, bad marks on your "permanent > -->record", dizziness, night sweats, numbness of the extremities, a drift > -->towards Libertarian politics, currency devaluation, back pain, unexplained > -->purple areas of the skin, a strange desire to stare at the Zamboni, and an > -->increased risk of a mild form of halitosis. Women who are pregnant, nursing, > -->or who may become pregnant should consult their accountants before using 89 > -->octane. Ask your doctor if 89 octane is right for you. > --> > --> > -->-- > -->--chuck goolsbee > -->02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD > -->arlington, wa, usa > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:51:38 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions chuck goolsbee wrote: >> another question, the ML320 requires premium for the 3.2L V6, >> what happens if you run the regular 89 octane instead of the 92 octane? >> >> Damage, power loss or loss of economy? > > Both... PLUS: > > > Possible reversal of the earth's magnetic field, ringing in the ears, > erectile dysfunction, loss of appetite, potential alteration of the > fabric of time & space, male pattern baldness, bad marks on your > "permanent record", dizziness, night sweats, numbness of the > extremities, a drift towards Libertarian politics, currency > devaluation, back pain, unexplained purple areas of the skin, a > strange desire to stare at the Zamboni, and an increased risk of a > mild form of halitosis. Women who are pregnant, nursing, or who may > become pregnant should consult their accountants before using 89 > octane. Ask your doctor if 89 octane is right for you. Chuck, you forgot to mention the two worst consequences: elimination of the ozone layer and GLOBAL WARMING! Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA '85 300SD Turbo '80 240D 4-speed '79 300TD '97 7.3L F250 HD 4WD Crew Cab - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.22/739 - Release Date: 3/29/2007 1:36 PM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:39:15 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions I have an E320 4matic station wagon, which is essentially the same platform as the ML. If you use regular, the ECU automatically detects knock and compensates. You end up losing about 2 mpg, and lots of power. Interestingly, I once tried mixing a gallon of Diesel with a full tank (this was an accident). Fuel economy soared, and power was 'way up. I have no idea what this would do over the long run, but it was an interesting result. Mike Frank At 09:51 AM 3/30/2007, you wrote: >chuck goolsbee wrote: >>>another question, the ML320 requires premium for the 3.2L V6, >>>what happens if you run the regular 89 octane instead of the 92 octane? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:45:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions what kind of mileage does it get? is that the V6? a gallon of Diesel... hmmm... maybe it lubricated the injectors, or cooled the cylinders, or sustained combustion... I may try that in my '91 Grand Wagoneer with that boat anchor 360. Actually, could use some veggie oil... have a lot here. :) john On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Michael Frank wrote: > -->I have an E320 4matic station wagon, which is essentially the same platform > -->as the ML. If you use regular, the ECU automatically detects knock and > -->compensates. You end up losing about 2 mpg, and lots of power. > -->Interestingly, I once tried mixing a gallon of Diesel with a full tank (this > -->was an accident). Fuel economy soared, and power was 'way up. I have no idea > -->what this would do over the long run, but it was an interesting result. > --> > -->Mike Frank > --> > -->At 09:51 AM 3/30/2007, you wrote: > -->>chuck goolsbee wrote: > -->> > >another question, the ML320 requires premium for the 3.2L V6, > -->> > >what happens if you run the regular 89 octane instead of the 92 octane? > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:05:24 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions Normally, 23mpg, although now that we're getting E10, that's dropped to 22. With the gallon of Diesel, mid 20's. With regular, 20. I don't recommend the Diesel, because I have no idea what it does. You could foul your O2 sensors or cat, or cause your fuel pump to fail. MIke Frank At 10:45 AM 3/30/2007, you wrote: >what kind of mileage does it get? is that the V6? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions On Fri, 30 Mar 2007, Michael Frank wrote: > -->Normally, 23mpg, although now that we're getting E10, that's dropped to 22. > -->With the gallon of Diesel, mid 20's. With regular, 20. regular is 20 and premium is 23? is that highway, combined or local? didn't see that much difference in the other engine. > -->I don't recommend the Diesel, because I have no idea what it does. You > -->could foul your O2 sensors or cat, or cause your fuel pump to fail. understand... could get very expensive. :) > -->MIke Frank > -->At 10:45 AM 3/30/2007, you wrote: > -->>what kind of mileage does it get? is that the V6? ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions this still cracks me up.. the straight answer came from mike frank... about 2 mpg and a slight notice of less power... :) 0h yeah, question was what happens if you don't use premium unleaded... (ok, so it's a gas question... I don't have gas... yet... ;) On Thu, 29 Mar 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: Possible reversal of the earth's magnetic field, ringing in the ears, erectile dysfunction, loss of appetite, potential alteration of the fabric of time & space, male pattern baldness, bad marks on your "permanent record", dizziness, night sweats, numbness of the extremities, a drift towards Libertarian politics, currency devaluation, back pain, unexplained purple areas of the skin, a strange desire to stare at the Zamboni, and an increased risk of a mild form of halitosis. Women who are pregnant, nursing, or who may become pregnant should consult their accountants before using 89 octane. Ask your doctor if 89 octane is right for you. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:44:18 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] in case you wanted to buy a new plane... http://boeing.com/commercial/prices/index.html Jet Prices Airplane Families 2006 $ in Millions 737 Family 737-600 47.0 -- 55.0 737-700 54.0 -- 64.0 737-800 66.0 -- 75.0 737-900ER 70.0 -- 80.5 747 Family 747-400/ -400ER 216.0 -- 247.5 747-400/ -400ER Freighter 219.5 -- 247.0 747-8 272.5 -- 282.5 747-8 Freighter 279.5 -- 283.5 767 Family 767-200ER 118.0 --128.0 767-300ER 133.0 -- 149.0 767-300 Freighter 143.0 -- 155.0 767-400ER 146.0 -- 160.5 777 Family 777-200 178.0 -- 195.0 777-200ER 190.0 -- 212.5 777-200LR 219.0 -- 243.0 777-300 210.0 -- 234.0 777-300ER 237.0 -- 264.5 777 Freighter 232.5 -- 240.0 787 Family 787-3 138.0 -- 143.0 787-8 148.0 -- 157.5 787-9 178.5 -- 188.0 ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:38:17 -0800 From: Greg Fiorentino Subject: Re: [db] ml series questions I believe that a small percentage of diesel would raise the octane rating way up by raising the ignition temp of the fuel. I doubt that it would have any ill effects in such small quantity. Greg Fiorentino Vancouver USA '85 300SD Turbo '80 240D 4-speed '79 300TD '97 7.3L F250 HD 4WD Crew Cab Michael Frank wrote: I have an E320 4matic station wagon, which is essentially the same platform as the ML. If you use regular, the ECU automatically detects knock and compensates. You end up losing about 2 mpg, and lots of power. Interestingly, I once tried mixing a gallon of Diesel with a full tank (this was an accident). Fuel economy soared, and power was 'way up. I have no idea what this would do over the long run, but it was an interesting result. Mike Frank At 09:51 AM 3/30/2007, you wrote: chuck goolsbee wrote: another question, the ML320 requires premium for the 3.2L V6, what happens if you run the regular 89 octane instead of the 92 octane? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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