From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 9 17:54:25 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, May 10 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2453 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel (now suspension + black smoke) Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel (now suspension + black smoke) Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:59:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel doesn't this thing have the load leveling hydraulic system? this is on the right side, driver's US side, not a full picture, but shows the fluid reservoir and the pump: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/EuroHeadlights/PA150006.jpg john On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->Hi folks, > --> Car is back and OH what a difference! Plenty of feel in the pedal now. > -->He also fixed a split fuel line while under there (it was one of the > -->old petrol lines, now unused, ah well.. ) > --> > -->So, 2 new questions ;-) > -->The engine I think we've identified as being from a W201 2.5TD (?), > -->what does the hose arrowed in the pic below do? I ask as it seems not > -->to have anything connected at the other end over by the turbo.. > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00282.JPG > -->Would this be causing the clouds of black smoke being left behind me > -->as I get into boost (especially going up hill) ? I'm assuming this > -->should measuring pressure somehow and feeding in the correct amount of > -->fuel.. but I'm assuming its over fuelling ? > --> > -->Next Q, rear end ride height.. is it just a case of renewing the > -->shocks or springs at the back? > -->See pic here : > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00299.JPG > -->and here : > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70328.JPG > --> > --> > -->Many thanks yet again! > -->Steve > --> > --> > -->On 5/8/07, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->> Thats the problem John... I couldn't remove the hardline to replace it .. > -->> Anyway, the car is in now with the specialist and should be ready this > -->> eve. > -->> > -->> Will have a look at the mounts et al later this week. > -->> Steve > -->> > -->> On 5/8/07, john wrote: > -->> > > -->> > I've found that the factory parts are usually the easiest solution, > -->> > and less stressful than trying to drive without brakes... > -->> > > -->> > as far as the clunking, it could be that rubber bushing in the > -->> > driveline, or mounts... or both... > -->> > > -->> > john > -->> > > -->> > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->> > > -->> > > -->Last week I decided to tackle the split rear flexi hose on my W123 > -->> > > -->250TE/TD. As the calipers are new-ish, it unscrewed easily on that > -->> > > -->end, but the flexi hose to hard line was a different matter. No > -->> > > -->amount > -->> > > -->of cajoling/vinegar/PB blaster was going to separate them, so out > -->> > > -->came > -->> > > -->the dremel and I made a cut just above the hardline connection. > -->> > > -->Then I tried removing the other end of the hardline with a view to > -->> > > -->bringing the whole thing down to a brake line specialist the > -->> > > -->following > -->> > > -->day (he makes them up for about 20euros.. which is cheaper than a > -->> > > -->flaring tool + parts.. also I'm not sure exactly how to do a bubble > -->> > > -->flare...).. but this proved to be as difficult as the flexi to > -->> > > -->hardline joint so I left it as is and vice gripped the open end of > -->> > > -->the > -->> > > -->hard line. This evening I drove the car down (needed a jump of > -->> > > -->course.. its never easy is it?) to the specialists using the gears > -->> > > -->to > -->> > > -->slow down and the hand brake to stop (my nerves are still > -->> > > -->recovering). > -->> > > -->I'm hoping he can just cut back the line a little and put in an > -->> > > -->extra > -->> > > -->union to extend the line to a new flare.. fingers crossed... > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->Next issue.. rear wipe and rear spray stopped working at the same > -->> > > -->time, I hear clicking from the relay in the rear door and read 12v > -->> > > -->from 3 of the 4 pins on the motor connector but none at the sprayer > -->> > > -->motor.. any ideas? > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->Next.. the driveline is VERY sloppy.. its a manual, when I put in > -->> > > -->first gear the diff seems to slam as I let up the clutch (even > -->> > > -->slowly..), this also ends up in bucking if I let off the > -->> > > -->accelerator > -->> > > -->while going down hill for instance... is this most likely to be a > -->> > > -->prop > -->> > > -->shaft bushing or something similar? > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->Many Thanks > -->> > > -->Steve > -->> > > --> > -->> > > --> > -->> > > -->> > ----- > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > > -->> > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:54:34 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel (now suspension + black smoke) hmmm... it seems it does : http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70330.JPG http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70329.JPG I've no experience with this type of system (any advice? ;-) ), I must do some googling on it this eve. Thanks John! On 5/9/07, john wrote: > doesn't this thing have the load leveling hydraulic system? > > this is on the right side, driver's US side, not a full picture, > but shows the fluid reservoir and the pump: > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/EuroHeadlights/PA150006.jpg > > john > > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > > -->Hi folks, > > --> Car is back and OH what a difference! Plenty of feel in the pedal now. > > -->He also fixed a split fuel line while under there (it was one of the > > -->old petrol lines, now unused, ah well.. ) > > --> > > -->So, 2 new questions ;-) > > -->The engine I think we've identified as being from a W201 2.5TD (?), > > -->what does the hose arrowed in the pic below do? I ask as it seems not > > -->to have anything connected at the other end over by the turbo.. > > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00282.JPG > > -->Would this be causing the clouds of black smoke being left behind me > > -->as I get into boost (especially going up hill) ? I'm assuming this > > -->should measuring pressure somehow and feeding in the correct amount of > > -->fuel.. but I'm assuming its over fuelling ? > > --> > > -->Next Q, rear end ride height.. is it just a case of renewing the > > -->shocks or springs at the back? > > -->See pic here : > > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00299.JPG > > -->and here : > > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70328.JPG > > --> > > --> > > -->Many thanks yet again! > > -->Steve > > --> > > --> > > -->On 5/8/07, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > -->> Thats the problem John... I couldn't remove the hardline to replace it .. > > -->> Anyway, the car is in now with the specialist and should be ready this > > -->> eve. > > -->> > > -->> Will have a look at the mounts et al later this week. > > -->> Steve > > -->> > > -->> On 5/8/07, john wrote: > > -->> > > > -->> > I've found that the factory parts are usually the easiest solution, > > -->> > and less stressful than trying to drive without brakes... > > -->> > > > -->> > as far as the clunking, it could be that rubber bushing in the > > -->> > driveline, or mounts... or both... > > -->> > > > -->> > john > > -->> > > > -->> > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > -->> > > > -->> > > -->Last week I decided to tackle the split rear flexi hose on my W123 > > -->> > > -->250TE/TD. As the calipers are new-ish, it unscrewed easily on that > > -->> > > -->end, but the flexi hose to hard line was a different matter. No > > -->> > > -->amount > > -->> > > -->of cajoling/vinegar/PB blaster was going to separate them, so out > > -->> > > -->came > > -->> > > -->the dremel and I made a cut just above the hardline connection. > > -->> > > -->Then I tried removing the other end of the hardline with a view to > > -->> > > -->bringing the whole thing down to a brake line specialist the > > -->> > > -->following > > -->> > > -->day (he makes them up for about 20euros.. which is cheaper than a > > -->> > > -->flaring tool + parts.. also I'm not sure exactly how to do a bubble > > -->> > > -->flare...).. but this proved to be as difficult as the flexi to > > -->> > > -->hardline joint so I left it as is and vice gripped the open end of > > -->> > > -->the > > -->> > > -->hard line. This evening I drove the car down (needed a jump of > > -->> > > -->course.. its never easy is it?) to the specialists using the gears > > -->> > > -->to > > -->> > > -->slow down and the hand brake to stop (my nerves are still > > -->> > > -->recovering). > > -->> > > -->I'm hoping he can just cut back the line a little and put in an > > -->> > > -->extra > > -->> > > -->union to extend the line to a new flare.. fingers crossed... > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > -->Next issue.. rear wipe and rear spray stopped working at the same > > -->> > > -->time, I hear clicking from the relay in the rear door and read 12v > > -->> > > -->from 3 of the 4 pins on the motor connector but none at the sprayer > > -->> > > -->motor.. any ideas? > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > -->Next.. the driveline is VERY sloppy.. its a manual, when I put in > > -->> > > -->first gear the diff seems to slam as I let up the clutch (even > > -->> > > -->slowly..), this also ends up in bucking if I let off the > > -->> > > -->accelerator > > -->> > > -->while going down hill for instance... is this most likely to be a > > -->> > > -->prop > > -->> > > -->shaft bushing or something similar? > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > -->Many Thanks > > -->> > > -->Steve > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > --> > > -->> > > > -->> > ----- > > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -->> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > -->> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -->> > > > -->> > > --> > > --> > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel (now suspension + black smoke) parts are spendy... fluid is spendy... seek professional help first... ;) john On Wed, 9 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->hmmm... it seems it does : > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70330.JPG > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70329.JPG > -->I've no experience with this type of system (any advice? ;-) ), I must > -->do some googling on it this eve. > --> > -->Thanks John! > --> > -->On 5/9/07, john wrote: > -->> doesn't this thing have the load leveling hydraulic system? > -->> > -->> this is on the right side, driver's US side, not a full picture, > -->> but shows the fluid reservoir and the pump: > -->> http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/EuroHeadlights/PA150006.jpg > -->> > -->> john > -->> > -->> On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->> > -->> > -->Hi folks, > -->> > --> Car is back and OH what a difference! Plenty of feel in the pedal > -->> > -->now. > -->> > -->He also fixed a split fuel line while under there (it was one of the > -->> > -->old petrol lines, now unused, ah well.. ) > -->> > --> > -->> > -->So, 2 new questions ;-) > -->> > -->The engine I think we've identified as being from a W201 2.5TD (?), > -->> > -->what does the hose arrowed in the pic below do? I ask as it seems not > -->> > -->to have anything connected at the other end over by the turbo.. > -->> > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00282.JPG > -->> > -->Would this be causing the clouds of black smoke being left behind me > -->> > -->as I get into boost (especially going up hill) ? I'm assuming this > -->> > -->should measuring pressure somehow and feeding in the correct amount > -->> > -->of > -->> > -->fuel.. but I'm assuming its over fuelling ? > -->> > --> > -->> > -->Next Q, rear end ride height.. is it just a case of renewing the > -->> > -->shocks or springs at the back? > -->> > -->See pic here : > -->> > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00299.JPG > -->> > -->and here : > -->> > -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70328.JPG > -->> > --> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->Many thanks yet again! > -->> > -->Steve > -->> > --> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->On 5/8/07, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->> > --> > Thats the problem John... I couldn't remove the hardline to > -->> > --> > replace it .. > -->> > --> > Anyway, the car is in now with the specialist and should be ready > -->> > --> > this > -->> > --> > eve. > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > Will have a look at the mounts et al later this week. > -->> > --> > Steve > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > On 5/8/07, john wrote: > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > I've found that the factory parts are usually the easiest > -->> > --> > > solution, > -->> > --> > > and less stressful than trying to drive without brakes... > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > as far as the clunking, it could be that rubber bushing in the > -->> > --> > > driveline, or mounts... or both... > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > john > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > > -->Last week I decided to tackle the split rear flexi hose on > -->> > --> > > > -->my W123 > -->> > --> > > > -->250TE/TD. As the calipers are new-ish, it unscrewed easily > -->> > --> > > > -->on that > -->> > --> > > > -->end, but the flexi hose to hard line was a different > -->> > --> > > > -->matter. No > -->> > --> > > > -->amount > -->> > --> > > > -->of cajoling/vinegar/PB blaster was going to separate them, > -->> > --> > > > -->so out > -->> > --> > > > -->came > -->> > --> > > > -->the dremel and I made a cut just above the hardline > -->> > --> > > > -->connection. > -->> > --> > > > -->Then I tried removing the other end of the hardline with a > -->> > --> > > > -->view to > -->> > --> > > > -->bringing the whole thing down to a brake line specialist > -->> > --> > > > -->the > -->> > --> > > > -->following > -->> > --> > > > -->day (he makes them up for about 20euros.. which is cheaper > -->> > --> > > > -->than a > -->> > --> > > > -->flaring tool + parts.. also I'm not sure exactly how to do > -->> > --> > > > -->a bubble > -->> > --> > > > -->flare...).. but this proved to be as difficult as the flexi > -->> > --> > > > -->to > -->> > --> > > > -->hardline joint so I left it as is and vice gripped the open > -->> > --> > > > -->end of > -->> > --> > > > -->the > -->> > --> > > > -->hard line. This evening I drove the car down (needed a jump > -->> > --> > > > -->of > -->> > --> > > > -->course.. its never easy is it?) to the specialists using > -->> > --> > > > -->the gears > -->> > --> > > > -->to > -->> > --> > > > -->slow down and the hand brake to stop (my nerves are still > -->> > --> > > > -->recovering). > -->> > --> > > > -->I'm hoping he can just cut back the line a little and put > -->> > --> > > > -->in an > -->> > --> > > > -->extra > -->> > --> > > > -->union to extend the line to a new flare.. fingers > -->> > --> > > > -->crossed... > -->> > --> > > > --> > -->> > --> > > > -->Next issue.. rear wipe and rear spray stopped working at > -->> > --> > > > -->the same > -->> > --> > > > -->time, I hear clicking from the relay in the rear door and > -->> > --> > > > -->read 12v > -->> > --> > > > -->from 3 of the 4 pins on the motor connector but none at the > -->> > --> > > > -->sprayer > -->> > --> > > > -->motor.. any ideas? > -->> > --> > > > --> > -->> > --> > > > -->Next.. the driveline is VERY sloppy.. its a manual, when I > -->> > --> > > > -->put in > -->> > --> > > > -->first gear the diff seems to slam as I let up the clutch > -->> > --> > > > -->(even > -->> > --> > > > -->slowly..), this also ends up in bucking if I let off the > -->> > --> > > > -->accelerator > -->> > --> > > > -->while going down hill for instance... is this most likely > -->> > --> > > > -->to be a > -->> > --> > > > -->prop > -->> > --> > > > -->shaft bushing or something similar? > -->> > --> > > > --> > -->> > --> > > > -->Many Thanks > -->> > --> > > > -->Steve > -->> > --> > > > --> > -->> > --> > > > --> > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > ----- > -->> > --> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > -->> > --> > > mold > -->> > --> > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> > --> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> > > > -->> > --> > > -->> > --> > -->> > --> > -->> > -->> ----- > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > -->> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > -->> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -->> > --> > --> ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 20:39:36 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Monday night adventures... w123 diesel John, I think that you are right. My '83 euro 300TD has the hydraulic suspension system and the parts aren't cheap. Marc Z. john wrote: > doesn't this thing have the load leveling hydraulic system? > > this is on the right side, driver's US side, not a full picture, > but shows the fluid reservoir and the pump: > http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/124-series/EuroHeadlights/PA150006.jpg > > john > > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > >> -->Hi folks, >> --> Car is back and OH what a difference! Plenty of feel in the pedal now. >> -->He also fixed a split fuel line while under there (it was one of the >> -->old petrol lines, now unused, ah well.. ) >> --> >> -->So, 2 new questions ;-) >> -->The engine I think we've identified as being from a W201 2.5TD (?), >> -->what does the hose arrowed in the pic below do? I ask as it seems not >> -->to have anything connected at the other end over by the turbo.. >> -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00282.JPG >> -->Would this be causing the clouds of black smoke being left behind me >> -->as I get into boost (especially going up hill) ? I'm assuming this >> -->should measuring pressure somehow and feeding in the correct amount of >> -->fuel.. but I'm assuming its over fuelling ? >> --> >> -->Next Q, rear end ride height.. is it just a case of renewing the >> -->shocks or springs at the back? >> -->See pic here : >> -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/DSC00299.JPG >> -->and here : >> -->http://www.mx5ireland.com/members/srigley/Merc/85estate/STA70328.JPG >> --> >> --> >> -->Many thanks yet again! >> -->Steve >> --> >> --> >> -->On 5/8/07, Stephen Rigley wrote: >> -->> Thats the problem John... I couldn't remove the hardline to replace it .. >> -->> Anyway, the car is in now with the specialist and should be ready this >> -->> eve. >> -->> >> -->> Will have a look at the mounts et al later this week. >> -->> Steve >> -->> >> -->> On 5/8/07, john wrote: >> -->> > >> -->> > I've found that the factory parts are usually the easiest solution, >> -->> > and less stressful than trying to drive without brakes... >> -->> > >> -->> > as far as the clunking, it could be that rubber bushing in the >> -->> > driveline, or mounts... or both... >> -->> > >> -->> > john >> -->> > >> -->> > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: >> -->> > >> -->> > > -->Last week I decided to tackle the split rear flexi hose on my W123 >> -->> > > -->250TE/TD. As the calipers are new-ish, it unscrewed easily on that >> -->> > > -->end, but the flexi hose to hard line was a different matter. No >> -->> > > -->amount >> -->> > > -->of cajoling/vinegar/PB blaster was going to separate them, so out >> -->> > > -->came >> -->> > > -->the dremel and I made a cut just above the hardline connection. >> -->> > > -->Then I tried removing the other end of the hardline with a view to >> -->> > > -->bringing the whole thing down to a brake line specialist the >> -->> > > -->following >> -->> > > -->day (he makes them up for about 20euros.. which is cheaper than a >> -->> > > -->flaring tool + parts.. also I'm not sure exactly how to do a bubble >> -->> > > -->flare...).. but this proved to be as difficult as the flexi to >> -->> > > -->hardline joint so I left it as is and vice gripped the open end of >> -->> > > -->the >> -->> > > -->hard line. This evening I drove the car down (needed a jump of >> -->> > > -->course.. its never easy is it?) to the specialists using the gears >> -->> > > -->to >> -->> > > -->slow down and the hand brake to stop (my nerves are still >> -->> > > -->recovering). >> -->> > > -->I'm hoping he can just cut back the line a little and put in an >> -->> > > -->extra >> -->> > > -->union to extend the line to a new flare.. fingers crossed... >> -->> > > --> >> -->> > > -->Next issue.. rear wipe and rear spray stopped working at the same >> -->> > > -->time, I hear clicking from the relay in the rear door and read 12v >> -->> > > -->from 3 of the 4 pins on the motor connector but none at the sprayer >> -->> > > -->motor.. any ideas? >> -->> > > --> >> -->> > > -->Next.. the driveline is VERY sloppy.. its a manual, when I put in >> -->> > > -->first gear the diff seems to slam as I let up the clutch (even >> -->> > > -->slowly..), this also ends up in bucking if I let off the >> -->> > > -->accelerator >> -->> > > -->while going down hill for instance... is this most likely to be a >> -->> > > -->prop >> -->> > > -->shaft bushing or something similar? >> -->> > > --> >> -->> > > -->Many Thanks >> -->> > > -->Steve >> -->> > > --> >> -->> > > --> >> -->> > >> -->> > ----- >> -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -->> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> -->> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >> -->> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -->> > >> -->> >> --> >> --> >> > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2453 **********************************