From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jun 18 10:06:41 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, June 18 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2475 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! RE: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! Re: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! Re: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! [db] W123 electrical help Re: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! [db] free car in Snohomish, OT Re: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! Re: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! Re: [db] W123 electrical help Re: [db] W123 electrical help Re: [db] W123 electrical help Re: [db] W123 electrical help Re: [db] W123 electrical help Re: [db] W123 electrical help Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:36:04 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! And of course, I'll have to drive it myself for a month or two so that I can be the one that has the "car that's being fiddled with." Once I've got all the bugs worked out, it's hers. Not like I hate the idea of driving a classic Benz for a month or 2. Jason - -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: LOOKY LOOKY! (And please don't bid against me! I need this car!) ebay ID 250132109030 The car for SWMBO! And such low mileage! I figure I'll take my tire pump, a battery, a few extra tires on rims, and my usual trunkful of tools, and fire it up and drive it home! (Probably after fiddling with the brakes. 8^) She'll have to clean it out and I'll have to get it painted up, but this is a really rare find! Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:45:33 -0400 From: "FreddyP" Subject: RE: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! Interesting find indeed. I would not consider for even a moment buying it sight unseen however. It looks like it has been sitting outside and ten years is a long time in car years! It is probably pretty crunchy (New England term for a rusty car!) on the underside and dried up on the inside. Take a good look before you pull the trigger. Fred - -----Original Message----- And of course, I'll have to drive it myself for a month or two so that I can be the one that has the "car that's being fiddled with." Once I've got all the bugs worked out, it's hers. Not like I hate the idea of driving a classic Benz for a month or 2. Jason - -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: LOOKY LOOKY! (And please don't bid against me! I need this car!) ebay ID 250132109030 The car for SWMBO! And such low mileage! I figure I'll take my tire pump, a battery, a few extra tires on rims, and my usual trunkful of tools, and fire it up and drive it home! (Probably after fiddling with the brakes. 8^) She'll have to clean it out and I'll have to get it painted up, but this is a really rare find! Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! Don't worry Jason, I won't bid ;) Jim - --- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: > LOOKY LOOKY! (And please don't bid against me! I > need this car!) > > ebay ID 250132109030 > > The car for SWMBO! And such low mileage! > > I figure I'll take my tire pump, a battery, a few > extra tires on rims, > and my usual trunkful of tools, and fire it up and > drive it home! > (Probably after fiddling with the brakes. 8^) > > She'll have to clean it out and I'll have to get it > painted up, but > this is a really rare find! > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:02:05 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! What kind of bumper is that on the back? Its HUGE! Steve On 6/18/07, FreddyP wrote: > Interesting find indeed. I would not consider for even a moment buying it > sight unseen however. It looks like it has been sitting outside and ten > years is a long time in car years! It is probably pretty crunchy (New > England term for a rusty car!) on the underside and dried up on the inside. > Take a good look before you pull the trigger. > > Fred > > -----Original Message----- > > > And of course, I'll have to drive it myself for a month or two so that > I can be the one that has the "car that's being fiddled with." Once > I've got all the bugs worked out, it's hers. Not like I hate the idea > of driving a classic Benz for a month or 2. > > Jason > > -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: > LOOKY LOOKY! (And please don't bid against me! I need this car!) > > ebay ID 250132109030 > > The car for SWMBO! And such low mileage! > > I figure I'll take my tire pump, a battery, a few extra tires on rims, > and my usual trunkful of tools, and fire it up and drive it home! > (Probably after fiddling with the brakes. 8^) > > She'll have to clean it out and I'll have to get it painted up, but > this is a really rare find! > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:08:00 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: [db] W123 electrical help hmmm... I have an unusual one for you... So, "Shatoya" our W123 Estate has developed a weird leccy problem. Switch on the lights.. and the wipers + windscreen washer come on... Anyone had this before? Just wanted to check before I go digging ;-) cheers Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:27:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! here you go, you can have this one for FREE: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/Maverick/ (serious... neighbor would like to get something for it... but if its parts go to some good use, they'll let it go... this thing has been sitting since we moved in here in 1994. no idea how long before that, it's been started three times since then... I am going to be very, very happy to see this find a home... but my point is this... having a car sitting that long is NOT good... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # And of course, I'll have to drive it myself for a month or two so that # I can be the one that has the "car that's being fiddled with." Once # I've got all the bugs worked out, it's hers. Not like I hate the idea # of driving a classic Benz for a month or 2. # # Jason # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # LOOKY LOOKY! (And please don't bid against me! I need this car!) # # ebay ID 250132109030 # # The car for SWMBO! And such low mileage! # # I figure I'll take my tire pump, a battery, a few extra tires on rims, # and my usual trunkful of tools, and fire it up and drive it home! # (Probably after fiddling with the brakes. 8^) # # She'll have to clean it out and I'll have to get it painted up, but # this is a really rare find! # # Jason # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] free car in Snohomish, OT here you go, you can have this one for FREE: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/Maverick/ (serious... neighbor would like to get something for it... but if its parts go to some good use, they'll let it go... this thing has been sitting since we moved in here in 1994. no idea how long before that, it's been started three times since then... I am going to be very, very happy to see this find a home... it's got the straight 6, C4 trans... plain jane... fwiw, sadly, this disproves that not all vehicles mold, some do rust. :( although this rust isn't like the kind you get from salted roads and hot humid summers, it's different... it's special... make it your own... please.... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! jason... look at the pictures of the maverick, look at those pictures... sitting for 10 years outside, unprotected is NOT good... $500 is too much... get more pictures... you can do better, especially considering the distance to get it home... very busy this week, if you want to chat, make it Saturday... ;) but just a note: the tires on the maverick are NOT flat... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # LOOKY LOOKY! (And please don't bid against me! I need this car!) # # ebay ID 250132109030 # # The car for SWMBO! And such low mileage! # # I figure I'll take my tire pump, a battery, a few extra tires on rims, # and my usual trunkful of tools, and fire it up and drive it home! # (Probably after fiddling with the brakes. 8^) # # She'll have to clean it out and I'll have to get it painted up, but # this is a really rare find! # # Jason # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:35:33 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: moRe: [db] Oh my! A car for SWMBO! # What kind of bumper is that on the back? Its HUGE! # Steve welcome to US safety standards.... the '70's invoked some wild 5 mph bumper designs, this is obviously a holdover... wish they still had some kind of standards, that toyota owner that backed into my WJ would have liked it... she had about $2000 worth of damage, and I about $600 and we were only about 3 feet apart when she backed into me... I used to take my old man's '73 Olds 98 and drive it into the concrete wall in the garage... :) those old bumpers were pretty cool... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # > LOOKY LOOKY! (And please don't bid against me! I need this car!) # > # > ebay ID 250132109030 # > # > The car for SWMBO! And such low mileage! # > # > I figure I'll take my tire pump, a battery, a few extra tires on rims, # > and my usual trunkful of tools, and fire it up and drive it home! # > (Probably after fiddling with the brakes. 8^) # > # > She'll have to clean it out and I'll have to get it painted up, but # > this is a really rare find! # > # > Jason # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] W123 electrical help ground problem. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # hmmm... I have an unusual one for you... # So, "Shatoya" our W123 Estate has developed a weird leccy problem. # Switch on the lights.. and the wipers + windscreen washer come on... # Anyone had this before? Just wanted to check before I go digging ;-) # cheers # Steve # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:00:06 -0700 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] W123 electrical help I can't see how lack of ground could cause something too work when its not supposed to. I would suspect that the hot wire to the lights have somehow rubbed through the insulation on the hot wire to the wipers so that the wipers turn on with the lights. Eric Ditwiler > ground problem. > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # hmmm... I have an unusual one for you... > # So, "Shatoya" our W123 Estate has developed a weird leccy problem. > # Switch on the lights.. and the wipers + windscreen washer come on... > # Anyone had this before? Just wanted to check before I go digging ;-) > # cheers > # Steve > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:21:07 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] W123 electrical help If the normal ground for the lights is currently in less than ideal continuity shape, that current may try to reach ground through another circuit, and since lights and wipers both play on the combination stalk, that suggests that these circuits could be very close electrically. Personally, I say check and replace your fuses if you're starting to get weird electrical behavior. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 222K On 6/18/07, Eric Ditwiler wrote: > I can't see how lack of ground could cause something too work when its > not supposed to. I would suspect that the hot wire to the lights have > somehow rubbed through the insulation on the hot wire to the wipers so > that the wipers turn on with the lights. > > > Eric Ditwiler > > > ground problem. > > > > ----- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > > > # hmmm... I have an unusual one for you... > > # So, "Shatoya" our W123 Estate has developed a weird leccy problem. > > # Switch on the lights.. and the wipers + windscreen washer come on... > > # Anyone had this before? Just wanted to check before I go digging ;-) > > # cheers > > # Steve > > # > > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:22:16 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] W123 electrical help Oh, and see if the behavior is any different depending on whether the high beams are on or off. On 6/18/07, Alec Cordova wrote: > If the normal ground for the lights is currently in less than ideal > continuity shape, that current may try to reach ground through another > circuit, and since lights and wipers both play on the combination > stalk, that suggests that these circuits could be very close > electrically. > > Personally, I say check and replace your fuses if you're starting to > get weird electrical behavior. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 222K > > On 6/18/07, Eric Ditwiler wrote: > > I can't see how lack of ground could cause something too work when its > > not supposed to. I would suspect that the hot wire to the lights have > > somehow rubbed through the insulation on the hot wire to the wipers so > > that the wipers turn on with the lights. > > > > > > Eric Ditwiler > > > > > ground problem. > > > > > > ----- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > > > > > # hmmm... I have an unusual one for you... > > > # So, "Shatoya" our W123 Estate has developed a weird leccy problem. > > > # Switch on the lights.. and the wipers + windscreen washer come on... > > > # Anyone had this before? Just wanted to check before I go digging ;-) > > > # cheers > > > # Steve > > > # > > > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:34:09 -0700 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: Re: [db] W123 electrical help so then the next question is: are the lights as bright as they were and do the wipers move as fast as they are supposed to? If not, I would suspect Alec is right. Eric Ditwiler > If the normal ground for the lights is currently in less than ideal > continuity shape, that current may try to reach ground through another > circuit, and since lights and wipers both play on the combination > stalk, that suggests that these circuits could be very close > electrically. > > Personally, I say check and replace your fuses if you're starting to > get weird electrical behavior. > > Alec Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 222K > > On 6/18/07, Eric Ditwiler wrote: >> I can't see how lack of ground could cause something too work when its >> not supposed to. I would suspect that the hot wire to the lights have >> somehow rubbed through the insulation on the hot wire to the wipers so >> that the wipers turn on with the lights. >> >> >> Eric Ditwiler >> >> > ground problem. >> > >> > ----- >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: >> > >> > # hmmm... I have an unusual one for you... >> > # So, "Shatoya" our W123 Estate has developed a weird leccy >> problem. >> > # Switch on the lights.. and the wipers + windscreen washer come >> on... >> > # Anyone had this before? Just wanted to check before I go digging >> ;-) >> > # cheers >> > # Steve >> > # >> > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:50:07 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] W123 electrical help Oh, I wouldn't give me credit that easily. ;-) On 6/18/07, Eric Ditwiler wrote: > so then the next question is: are the lights as bright as they were > and do the wipers move as fast as they are supposed to? > > If not, I would suspect Alec is right. > > Eric Ditwiler > > > If the normal ground for the lights is currently in less than ideal > > continuity shape, that current may try to reach ground through another > > circuit, and since lights and wipers both play on the combination > > stalk, that suggests that these circuits could be very close > > electrically. > > > > Personally, I say check and replace your fuses if you're starting to > > get weird electrical behavior. > > > > Alec Cordova > > Taylor, Texas > > 89 300CE, 222K > > > > On 6/18/07, Eric Ditwiler wrote: > >> I can't see how lack of ground could cause something too work when its > >> not supposed to. I would suspect that the hot wire to the lights have > >> somehow rubbed through the insulation on the hot wire to the wipers so > >> that the wipers turn on with the lights. > >> > >> > >> Eric Ditwiler > >> > >> > ground problem. > >> > > >> > ----- > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > >> > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > >> > > >> > # hmmm... I have an unusual one for you... > >> > # So, "Shatoya" our W123 Estate has developed a weird leccy > >> problem. > >> > # Switch on the lights.. and the wipers + windscreen washer come > >> on... > >> > # Anyone had this before? Just wanted to check before I go digging > >> ;-) > >> > # cheers > >> > # Steve > >> > # > >> > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2475 **********************************