From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 9 15:16:32 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, July 9 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2494 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Speak of popcorn...... [db] OT - 787 rollout Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Re: [db] Speak of popcorn...... Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? [db] fix, sell or scrap? Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Speak of popcorn...... actually this is a good brand, all Mercedes... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Are we tired of popcorn already? Or just tired of MY brand? ;^) # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # Hehe...... # # So I take the transmission out of my 1984 300D (own it now) and put it # in the 1984 300SD (which I will likely purchase) and it is then a # completely happy car. I then take the entire drivetrain out of the # 1977 300D (may purchase) and put it in my 1984 300D. Then I take the # turbo manifolds, IP, and exhaust off my 1984 300D's former motor and # put them on the 1977 drivetrain. Then I have two perfectly happy cars! # # ........Right? # # 1. Will the transmission from my 300D mate to the 300SD of the same # year? (I suspect so.) # # 2. Would the 1977 motor survive with a turbo? I think it was basically # the same motor that they turbo-ed and stuck in the 116 chassis to make # the original 300SD. But someone near and dear to the list thinks the # bottom end is completely different and would eventually disintegrate # from the extra bang. # # 3. Also, for the short term, could I just stick the transmission from # my 1981 240D in my 1984 300D until I got around to bigger and better # things? That way the mismatched transmission would be in my car, and # SWMBO wouldn't have a "fiddled with" car. # # Wisdom, anybody? # # Jason # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:58:25 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] OT - 787 rollout haven't had time to edit all my pictures... here's one: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/rollout-787.jpg will put the rollout pictures in http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/07-July-08-787_rollout check back later today... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? hey, let's meet up with your kid in tow and sort out the oil situation there... maybe have lunch there at the same time... food is so-so... ;) we could alternate weeks of pickup, even though I will probably need all of it and more once I get my big Jeep rolling.... but I have a feeling that we will really NEED a spanish speaking coordinator. :) they are currently paying someone to haul it off... and they're just dumping it into a barrel out in the drive... we'd need a pump setup to extract it... or provide them with buckets or something... setting up a fuel heater on my GW will be less expensive and doesn't involve exotic chemicals or processes that require reading instructions and consistency. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: # At 10:25 PM -0700 7/7/07, john wrote: # >Chuck, # > # >What's the cost of this setup? # # To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. I paid a guy $40 for an old water # heater. The big parts (pump, plumbing, etc) probably cost me about $250. The # little parts... who knows. Maybe more? Lots of trips to the hardware store # over the past couple of months. # # A lot of it I had lying around out in the barn... tubing, wood, PVC, etc. # # If I were to guess off the top of my head I bet I've spent between $500 & # $600 so far. It should pay itself off in under a year though. # # # # # # >and they speak spanish... and I don't. :) # # My son speaks Spanish quite well. He just returned from Chile. Spent a # semester there as an AFS Exchange Student. I'm happy to rent him out. ;) # # # >so, if my GW turns out... having fuel heaters on board would permit # >one the road use of WVO... but of course we know that we can blend # >without trouble... so if out and about I could mix in 5 gallons into # >each tank (40 gal capacity)... # > # >Thoughts? # # Whatever works for you John! # # I'll give you a call tomorrow. # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:48:03 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Speak of popcorn...... Yeah, but apparently there's no taste for it whatsoever at the moment. Maybe that means they think it's likely to cause illness........ Jason - -- john wrote: actually this is a good brand, all Mercedes... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Are we tired of popcorn already? Or just tired of MY brand? ;^) # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # Hehe...... # # So I take the transmission out of my 1984 300D (own it now) and put it # in the 1984 300SD (which I will likely purchase) and it is then a # completely happy car. I then take the entire drivetrain out of the # 1977 300D (may purchase) and put it in my 1984 300D. Then I take the # turbo manifolds, IP, and exhaust off my 1984 300D's former motor and # put them on the 1977 drivetrain. Then I have two perfectly happy cars! # # ........Right? # # 1. Will the transmission from my 300D mate to the 300SD of the same # year? (I suspect so.) # # 2. Would the 1977 motor survive with a turbo? I think it was basically # the same motor that they turbo-ed and stuck in the 116 chassis to make # the original 300SD. But someone near and dear to the list thinks the # bottom end is completely different and would eventually disintegrate # from the extra bang. # # 3. Also, for the short term, could I just stick the transmission from # my 1981 240D in my 1984 300D until I got around to bigger and better # things? That way the mismatched transmission would be in my car, and # SWMBO wouldn't have a "fiddled with" car. # # Wisdom, anybody? # # Jason # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 20:54:57 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? John wrote: "they are currently paying someone to haul it off... and they're just dumping it into a barrel out in the drive... we'd need a pump setup to extract it... or provide them with buckets or something..." Watch out. Once that oil goes into that barrel, it may become the property of the company they're paying. If said company provided that barrel, it almost certainly is, and removing it may be considered theft. So plan to provide your own container for them if that is the case. John wrote: "setting up a fuel heater on my GW will be less expensive and doesn't involve exotic chemicals or processes that require reading instructions and consistency. ;)" Which ultimately means that it will be more like we quickie Americans like things: quick and easy. BioD conversion is great if you have a situation where you cannot modify the car, for some reason, but ultimately, it's much more time efficient to modify the car slightly so that you can just fill it up and go. After all, either way you're building something. Jason john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: # At 10:25 PM -0700 7/7/07, john wrote: # >Chuck, # > # >What's the cost of this setup? # # To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. I paid a guy $40 for an old water # heater. The big parts (pump, plumbing, etc) probably cost me about $250. The # little parts... who knows. Maybe more? Lots of trips to the hardware store # over the past couple of months. # # A lot of it I had lying around out in the barn... tubing, wood, PVC, etc. # # If I were to guess off the top of my head I bet I've spent between $500 & # $600 so far. It should pay itself off in under a year though. # # # # # # >and they speak spanish... and I don't. :) # # My son speaks Spanish quite well. He just returned from Chile. Spent a # semester there as an AFS Exchange Student. I'm happy to rent him out. ;) # # # >so, if my GW turns out... having fuel heaters on board would permit # >one the road use of WVO... but of course we know that we can blend # >without trouble... so if out and about I could mix in 5 gallons into # >each tank (40 gal capacity)... # > # >Thoughts? # # Whatever works for you John! # # I'll give you a call tomorrow. # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:06:55 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] fix, sell or scrap? at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with a repair that is often the death knell... so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the repair costs which equals more than the possible sales price what does one do? I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my shop... maybe use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... there is an old CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and then sell it for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off for scrap and not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs to wait weeks to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's present state and since it's on older vehicle with little collectable value the parts aren't even worth pulling off... any one need anything from a '91 grand am? :) body is in good shape, but it's a cheap little car with a broken timing chain, a/c that needs a charge and a heater that doesn't heat much... power windows are marginal... interior fair... glass is good... seems to me it was getting around 22 in town, upper 20's on the road... I'm thinking pulling what parts I can get off in an evening and have the rest hauled off for scrap... my neighbor does the recycling thing and has a truck/trailer... maybe he'll split the scrap "profits"... getting it fixed means paying the tow truck guy (again) and hauling it to the shop and then paying the mechanic... but it would be a running car... with about $600 tied up in it... if it weren't a front engine compact replacing the timing chain would be something even I could do in an evening. :) we're going to look at a '97 jeep on Wednesday... :) finally, my daughter has agreed to get a jeep... whoo hoo... something I can work on... just checked kbb.com.... private party $1,200(exc) - 1000 - $650... so that means I'd break even on repairs, maybe... just maybe, double my money... likely make $200 for my troubles... trade in value is worse (running) is $325 - $650 thoughts on this process? it's a really tough call... fix or part/scrap... oh... she's had this for 5 years... paid about $1900 for it back then... figure she's gotten her money's worth out of it... it's NEVER left her stranded until last week... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? well, it'd be easier to provide them buckets than to deal with a pump setup... once we get over there with someone that speaks spanish we'll get it all sorted out... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # John wrote: # # "they are currently paying someone to haul it off... and they're just # dumping it into a barrel out in the drive... we'd need a pump setup # to extract it... or provide them with buckets or something..." # # Watch out. Once that oil goes into that barrel, it may become the # property of the company they're paying. If said company provided that # barrel, it almost certainly is, and removing it may be considered # theft. So plan to provide your own container for them if that is the # case. # # John wrote: # # "setting up a fuel heater on my GW will be less expensive and # doesn't involve exotic chemicals or processes that require reading # instructions and consistency. ;)" # # Which ultimately means that it will be more like we quickie Americans # like things: quick and easy. BioD conversion is great if you have a # situation where you cannot modify the car, for some reason, but # ultimately, it's much more time efficient to modify the car slightly # so that you can just fill it up and go. After all, either way you're # building something. # # Jason # # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: # # # At 10:25 PM -0700 7/7/07, john wrote: # # >Chuck, # # > # # >What's the cost of this setup? # # # # To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. I paid a guy $40 for an old # water # # heater. The big parts (pump, plumbing, etc) probably cost me about # $250. The # # little parts... who knows. Maybe more? Lots of trips to the # hardware store # # over the past couple of months. # # # # A lot of it I had lying around out in the barn... tubing, wood, # PVC, etc. # # # # If I were to guess off the top of my head I bet I've spent between # $500 & # # $600 so far. It should pay itself off in under a year though. # # # # # # # # # # # # >and they speak spanish... and I don't. :) # # # # My son speaks Spanish quite well. He just returned from Chile. # Spent a # # semester there as an AFS Exchange Student. I'm happy to rent him # out. ;) # # # # # # >so, if my GW turns out... having fuel heaters on board would permit # # >one the road use of WVO... but of course we know that we can blend # # >without trouble... so if out and about I could mix in 5 gallons # into # # >each tank (40 gal capacity)... # # > # # >Thoughts? # # # # Whatever works for you John! # # # # I'll give you a call tomorrow. # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:07:37 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? I am faced with the same issue. The 78 300D hit a deer last october, and now it sits in my driveway. Paint is tired, interior tired, ACC only blows hot air on defrost. I redid the front suspension, have the shocks for the back, has decent tires, and the windshield was just resealed with factory rubber. But, it has a diff whine (which is probably rear suspension rubber, actually), the tranny has a slight slip sometimes from 3-4 and will snap your neck in pieces from 1-2, 2-3 is somewhere in the middle. It is VERY hard to start when the temperature gets down to below 50 so you have to know how to start an old diesel or you're taking something else (like the bus). Burns a quart in 1200-1500, so I figure it's got a tired slug somewhere. Vacuum locks don't work, windows all work but sometimes the passenger side ones fall off the track. But, once started, it goes down the road fine as long as you're not in a hurry, gets 26-27 mpg on the highway, and handles quite well. Is it really worth replacing the hood, radiator, headlight bucket, and possibly the radiator support and fan? I figure I'd spend roughly what the car was worth in parts and my time that should be spent on other things to have ... a beat up 300D with a possibly tired engine. Don't know, so it's been sitting while I decide. :-/ On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 02:06:55PM -0700, john wrote: > at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with a repair that > is often the death knell... > > so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the repair costs which > equals more than the possible sales price what does one do? > > I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my shop... maybe > use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... there is an old > CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... > > so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and then sell it > for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off for scrap and > not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs to wait weeks > to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's present state > and since it's on older vehicle with little collectable value the > parts aren't even worth pulling off... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? we both need a big steam roller to flatten these things so they're easier to haul off... ;) part it... going to pull the battery, fuel/fuel tank, alternator, a/c pump for an airpump, rad/fan/evap, tires, cd player, maybe the front seats, light bulbs, headlights/tail lights, fuses and all that within an hour... ;) then I'll drag it out into the middle of the driveway, pull the tires and let someone haul the hulk off... the $200 we might make would be lost in the time to setup towing and all... looking at a nice '97 xj country for a fair price on wed... it caught my eye, wife likes it, daughter likes it... non-smoker owned it... looks like it'll be a good car for my daughter... and I can fix it if it breaks. ;) front wheel drive cars area a pain to work on... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Kevin wrote: # I am faced with the same issue. The 78 300D hit a deer last october, and now # it sits in my driveway. Paint is tired, interior tired, ACC only blows hot # air on defrost. I redid the front suspension, have the shocks for the back, # has decent tires, and the windshield was just resealed with factory rubber. # # But, it has a diff whine (which is probably rear suspension rubber, actually), # the tranny has a slight slip sometimes from 3-4 and will snap your neck in # pieces from 1-2, 2-3 is somewhere in the middle. It is VERY hard to start # when the temperature gets down to below 50 so you have to know how to start # an old diesel or you're taking something else (like the bus). Burns a quart # in 1200-1500, so I figure it's got a tired slug somewhere. Vacuum locks don't # work, windows all work but sometimes the passenger side ones fall off the # track. But, once started, it goes down the road fine as long as you're not # in a hurry, gets 26-27 mpg on the highway, and handles quite well. # # Is it really worth replacing the hood, radiator, headlight bucket, and # possibly the radiator support and fan? I figure I'd spend roughly what the # car was worth in parts and my time that should be spent on other things # to have ... a beat up 300D with a possibly tired engine. Don't know, so it's # been sitting while I decide. :-/ # # On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 02:06:55PM -0700, john wrote: # > at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with a repair that # > is often the death knell... # > # > so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the repair costs which # > equals more than the possible sales price what does one do? # > # > I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my shop... maybe # > use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... there is an old # > CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... # > # > so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and then sell it # > for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off for scrap and # > not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs to wait weeks # > to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's present state # > and since it's on older vehicle with little collectable value the # > parts aren't even worth pulling off... # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2494 **********************************