From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jul 12 07:08:08 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, July 12 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2498 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] A trip to the country. [db] electric brake controller question Re: [db] electric brake controller question [db] a/c 124 Re: [db] electric brake controller question Re: [db] a/c 124 Re: [db] a/c 124 [db] this is a first... 101F w/25% humidity Re: [db] electric brake controller question RE: [db] electric brake controller question RE: [db] JEEP! (fwd) Re: [db] electric brake controller question Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 03:00:13 -0500 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] A trip to the country. John said "Well, whaddya know!" and pecked: >interesting... can you find that note jon? > >I thought it was just me. :) > I have never seen the TSB, only read about it. The information came from the Easley/Ritter list and may have been reported by Marshall Booth. I just did a quick google and came up short. I originally read about the benefits of not keeping the oil topped off in either Popular Mechanics or one of the car magazines back in the '70's. The recommendation had more to do with performance than oil consumption. It seemed to work, but, as you said, it may have been "me"... On my '95, the only problem is that the low oil sensor kicks in at about 1/4 the way up from the dipstick add mark. When the light comes on, I check the oil and add a half quart to shut it up... My wife reminds me of enough shortcomings, I don't need my wheels nagging me too.... ;-) Take care, Jon '95 E300D "Ernestine" '84 300SD "Bruno" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:07:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] electric brake controller question my daughter's new xj has a brake controller... it is highly improbable that this xj will ever tow again, so dad has decided to remove it from her Jeep... :) no charge. ;) http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/cm-97xj/DSC02686.JPG My question is this... is this something easily moved to another Jeep, like say a '91 Grand Wagoneer??? does this connect to the brake lights or the actual lines??? wonder how hard it would be to convert my trailer to electric brakes... it's got a J10 disc brake setup on it... using a surge coupler now (that quit working). john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:24:22 -0400 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: Re: [db] electric brake controller question john wrote: > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/cm-97xj/DSC02686.JPG > > My question is this... is this something easily moved to another > Jeep, like say a '91 Grand Wagoneer??? > > does this connect to the brake lights or the actual lines??? > i have one like this in my 1 ton ford van. it's entirely electric, it attaches to the brake light wiring. depending on the vehicle you'd be moving it into, there may be a trailer breakout hidden near the back and all you need is an appropriate adapter. conventionally, trailers equipped with electric brakes use the big 7 pin round RV style electrical connector. richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] a/c 124 had to top off my a/c this morning... heat wave... temp is in the '90s today... have had this humming/whining/buzzing sound coming from the front of the engine... mechanic thought it was the alternator ...wasn't... his next guess is the ps pump or the a/c... since the a/c only holds a charge for about a month and drops down about 1/3 to 1/2lb... I'm thinking that the a/c compressor is the issue... I think I've swapped one of these out on a benz before... can't remember if it was the 190D or the 126... have done it on an XJ cherokee too... can't remember if benz has valves so I can swap out the compressor without draining the system, anyone know? need to see if there are any in the local wrecking yard... HOW MUCH TIME WILL THIS TAKE? 97 degrees in snohomish according to my yahoo widget... at 1:30pm... yikes... and the sun doesn't set until 21:08 tonight... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:38:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] electric brake controller question excellent... both my '99 WJ and '91 GW have such plugs... I could probably setup connectors and move it between the three Jeeps... Next issue will be converting my hydraulic surge brake controller some how to an electric controller... Is that possible or do I have to open up the brake assemblies and change out the guts? It has a fully functional pair of disc brakes mounted on a Model 20 axle. The front calipers were mounted on stock brackets on the rear axle, only minor mods were required... So if I could swap out the coupler with an electric/hydraulic controller that would be nice... if not I just need to fix it... that's on my '75 J10 hydraulic dump trailer... the car trailer (10k) has electric brakes already... thanx! john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Richard P. Welty wrote: # john wrote: # > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/cm-97xj/DSC02686.JPG # > # > My question is this... is this something easily moved to another # > Jeep, like say a '91 Grand Wagoneer??? # > # > does this connect to the brake lights or the actual lines??? # > # i have one like this in my 1 ton ford van. # # it's entirely electric, it attaches to the brake light wiring. depending on # the # vehicle you'd be moving it into, there may be a trailer breakout hidden # near the back and all you need is an appropriate adapter. # # conventionally, trailers equipped with electric brakes use the # big 7 pin round RV style electrical connector. # # richard # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:30:45 -0400 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: [db] a/c 124 If you take the car to an A/C specialist, they have a gas sniffer that can pinpoint the leak. Might be a lot cheaper than wholesale swapping components. There are no isolation valves on a 124. If you swap compressor (or any other component), you'll have to purge the whole system. Don't forget to install a new drier, too. Mike Frank At 04:45 PM 7/11/2007, john wrote: >since the a/c only holds a charge for about a month and drops >down about 1/3 to 1/2lb... I'm thinking that the a/c compressor >is the issue... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:43:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] a/c 124 it's more the noise that I'm concerned about... suspect the bearing is going out in the clutch... and since it does leak down, and signs of leakage on the unit, makes sense... too bad there are no valves... it's supposedly 99 degrees outside... I'm in my windowless lab at 73 degrees... :) thankfully these heat waves only last a couple of days and humidity is non-existent... nice and dry...29% to be exact... y'all on the east coast don't get that kind of heat... I know, I used to live back there... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Michael Frank wrote: # If you take the car to an A/C specialist, they have a gas sniffer that can # pinpoint the leak. Might be a lot cheaper than wholesale swapping components. # # There are no isolation valves on a 124. If you swap compressor (or any other # component), you'll have to purge the whole system. Don't forget to install a # new drier, too. # # Mike Frank # # At 04:45 PM 7/11/2007, john wrote: # >since the a/c only holds a charge for about a month and drops # >down about 1/3 to 1/2lb... I'm thinking that the a/c compressor # >is the issue... # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] this is a first... 101F w/25% humidity looks like the temperature in Snohomish, WA is 101 degrees!!! (that's 38.3333333333333 C) http://www.skydivesnohomish.com/skycam.htm shows 101 degrees, 25% humidity with a 10mph wind... One thing that is nice about heat waves here is that there is little or no humidity when it happens... I believe we're setting records today... Temperature is expected in the 80's by tomorrow and down to high-70's by Saturday... About four years ago we set a record... we went 40 days with day time temperatures about 70 degrees... :) Either way, sure am glad I charged up the a/c in shadowfax this morning... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:24:48 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] electric brake controller question Nope, nope, nope. On some vehicles this is the case, but only as a last resort if it's not equipped with the RIGHT way to hook it up. On vehicles that are meant to tow, there's a variable-voltage output that allows the trailer brakes to respond incrementally, like the ones on the tow vehicle. (Know this from my boss/friend's Ford F250. His controller gradually fades from green to red indicating the amount of brake being applied to the trailer, and the further down I put the pedal, the redder it gets.) And as for the wires, we use nothing but 6-pin, not the 7-pin RV connector (which we avoid at all costs, since it's not really standardized.......Chevy does their own thing on it.......) There are 5 pins around the shell and a center pin, bullet-connector type. You get L Signal, R Signal, Marker (park) lights, El-brake, Ground, and (I think.....) Hot. (Haven't quite been able to figure out the center one's exact purpose. I think it's to charge the battery for the breakaway box.) Jason - -- "Richard P. Welty" wrote: it's entirely electric, it attaches to the brake light wiring. depending on the vehicle you'd be moving it into, there may be a trailer breakout hidden near the back and all you need is an appropriate adapter. conventionally, trailers equipped with electric brakes use the big 7 pin round RV style electrical connector. richard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:51:25 -0500 From: "Randy Bennell" Subject: RE: [db] electric brake controller question I can't tell you what to look for or whether it will make a difference to you, but I have noticed lately that the brake controllers advertise that they are compatible with ABS. So, I don't know if you can use an old one on a new vehicle or vice versa. I had one on my old Chevy and I have bought a new one for my F150 as I wasn't sure that the old one would work with the ABS. Randy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of jasonbassett-at-juno.com Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:25 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] electric brake controller question Nope, nope, nope. On some vehicles this is the case, but only as a last resort if it's not equipped with the RIGHT way to hook it up. On vehicles that are meant to tow, there's a variable-voltage output that allows the trailer brakes to respond incrementally, like the ones on the tow vehicle. (Know this from my boss/friend's Ford F250. His controller gradually fades from green to red indicating the amount of brake being applied to the trailer, and the further down I put the pedal, the redder it gets.) And as for the wires, we use nothing but 6-pin, not the 7-pin RV connector (which we avoid at all costs, since it's not really standardized.......Chevy does their own thing on it.......) There are 5 pins around the shell and a center pin, bullet-connector type. You get L Signal, R Signal, Marker (park) lights, El-brake, Ground, and (I think.....) Hot. (Haven't quite been able to figure out the center one's exact purpose. I think it's to charge the battery for the breakaway box.) Jason - -- "Richard P. Welty" wrote: it's entirely electric, it attaches to the brake light wiring. depending on the vehicle you'd be moving it into, there may be a trailer breakout hidden near the back and all you need is an appropriate adapter. conventionally, trailers equipped with electric brakes use the big 7 pin round RV style electrical connector. richard No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/896 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 4:09 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/896 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 4:09 PM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:56:22 -0500 From: "Randy Bennell" Subject: RE: [db] JEEP! (fwd) Very nice John. Randy - -----Original Message----- my daughter just drove home in her '97 Cherokee!! it's a beauty... http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/cm-97xj/ALL.html john No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/896 - Release Date: 7/11/2007 4:09 PM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] electric brake controller question That sounds like a LOT of work John... Best you should put it in a box and send it to me. I'll send you my address in a bit... ;) Jim - --- john wrote: > excellent... both my '99 WJ and '91 GW have such > plugs... > > I could probably setup connectors and move it > between the > three Jeeps... > > Next issue will be converting my hydraulic surge > brake > controller some how to an electric controller... > > Is that possible or do I have to open up the brake > assemblies > and change out the guts? It has a fully functional > pair > of disc brakes mounted on a Model 20 axle. The > front calipers > were mounted on stock brackets on the rear axle, > only minor > mods were required... > > So if I could swap out the coupler with an > electric/hydraulic > controller that would be nice... if not I just need > to > fix it... that's on my '75 J10 hydraulic dump > trailer... > the car trailer (10k) has electric brakes already... > > thanx! > john > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007, Richard P. Welty wrote: > > # john wrote: > # > > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/cm-97xj/DSC02686.JPG > # > > # > My question is this... is this something easily > moved to another > # > Jeep, like say a '91 Grand Wagoneer??? > # > > # > does this connect to the brake lights or the > actual lines??? > # > > # i have one like this in my 1 ton ford van. > # > # it's entirely electric, it attaches to the brake > light wiring. depending on > # the > # vehicle you'd be moving it into, there may be a > trailer breakout hidden > # near the back and all you need is an appropriate > adapter. > # > # conventionally, trailers equipped with electric > brakes use the > # big 7 pin round RV style electrical connector. > # > # richard > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2498 **********************************