From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sun Jul 15 06:16:42 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Sunday, July 15 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2500 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] PA Car, I think Re: [db] failure on the fourth... Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? 8. How do I contact the server adminstrator in an emergency? 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? The Meta-FAQ 1. Why don't my postings go through? There are several things that may interfere with postings making it to the list. a) Are you a member? Some read the ftp archives rather than receiving the list in email. 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I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:41:23 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] PA Car, I think Jason, I have a nearly rust free 82 body in North Georgia. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] PA Car, I think Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:37:26 -0700 (PDT) >I'm building web pages of this???? >http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/CARS/jason/ALL.html > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # Hmmmm.....a local guy has a '77 300D that has only 98k on it, but > # looks like a PA car. I sent pictures of the fairly severe body rust to > # John, he'll probably post them. There's no structural rust, but the > # rust that's there would have to be fixed, for sure. It would become > # structural if let go much longer. How hard would it be? > # > # Oh, and he is asking $3500. The interior is nice, but both windshields > # will need re-setting (bad seals) and of course, the rust. And probably > # repainting. What should I offer? > # > # Jason > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ See what you^Rre getting into^Ebefore you go there ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:54:32 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] failure on the fourth... The 3.1 uses a timing chain too. It should be easily replaceable with a new set that is probably really cheap at most parts stores. The problem is getting to it in that van. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Edward Pomeroy Reply-To: ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net To: john CC: db Subject: Re: [db] failure on the fourth... Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:24:33 -0400 >OK - thanks. Looks like I may still be a couple of years away from a >problem. Son will get said Pontiac van once he finishes his >learner permit training, needs about another 40 hours with parents >(white knucked we are) before he can get a daylight driving permit >(he is still under 16 for a few more months). Michigan has cracked >down on the rules for new drivers, which is a good thing for the >rest of you :-) > >Frankly, my honest opinion is that kids should not be able to drive >until the age of 18, but that is just an old dinosaur ranting. > >Edward > >john wrote: > >>148,316 >> >> ----- >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>On Sat, 7 Jul 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: >> >># Gosh, it keeps getting more messy. >># # Now I have to worry about the 3.1L Pontiac engine in my van >>which has 120K >># miles. How many miles were on your 2.5 Pontiac engine when the >>chain broke? >># # Edward - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:06:03 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Just collect a few barrels and have them pour it into your barrels. Then bring an empty barrel and take the full one. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: chuck goolsbee CC: diesel-benz list Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:42:41 -0700 (PDT) >hey, let's meet up with your kid in tow and sort out the oil >situation there... maybe have lunch there at the same time... >food is so-so... ;) > > >we could alternate weeks of pickup, even though I will probably need >all of it and more once I get my big Jeep rolling.... but I have >a feeling that we will really NEED a spanish speaking coordinator. :) > >they are currently paying someone to haul it off... and they're just >dumping it into a barrel out in the drive... we'd need a pump setup >to extract it... or provide them with buckets or something... > >setting up a fuel heater on my GW will be less expensive and >doesn't involve exotic chemicals or processes that require reading >instructions and consistency. ;) > > >john > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: > > # At 10:25 PM -0700 7/7/07, john wrote: > # >Chuck, > # > > # >What's the cost of this setup? > # > # To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. I paid a guy $40 for an old water > # heater. The big parts (pump, plumbing, etc) probably cost me about $250. The > # little parts... who knows. Maybe more? Lots of trips to the hardware store > # over the past couple of months. > # > # A lot of it I had lying around out in the barn... tubing, wood, PVC, etc. > # > # If I were to guess off the top of my head I bet I've spent between $500 & > # $600 so far. It should pay itself off in under a year though. > # > # > # > # > # > # >and they speak spanish... and I don't. :) > # > # My son speaks Spanish quite well. He just returned from Chile. Spent a > # semester there as an AFS Exchange Student. I'm happy to rent him out. ;) > # > # > # >so, if my GW turns out... having fuel heaters on board would permit > # >one the road use of WVO... but of course we know that we can blend > # >without trouble... so if out and about I could mix in 5 gallons into > # >each tank (40 gal capacity)... > # > > # >Thoughts? > # > # Whatever works for you John! > # > # I'll give you a call tomorrow. > # > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:14:06 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? John, I would scrap it. You would be lucky to break even after fixing it. I paid $750 for a running/driving escort with a/c in decent shape. Got of rid of the GMC van that broke down at least once a month. Allen To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:13:40 -0700 (PDT) >It's a GM... Scrap it! > >;) > >Jim > >--- john wrote: > > > at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with > > a repair that > > is often the death knell... > > > > so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the > > repair costs which > > equals more than the possible sales price what does > > one do? > > > > I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my > > shop... maybe > > use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... > > there is an old > > CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... > > > > so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and > > then sell it > > for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off > > for scrap and > > not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs > > to wait weeks > > to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's > > present state > > and since it's on older vehicle with little > > collectable value the > > parts aren't even worth pulling off... > > > > any one need anything from a '91 grand am? :) body > > is in good > > shape, but it's a cheap little car with a broken > > timing chain, > > a/c that needs a charge and a heater that doesn't > > heat much... power > > windows are marginal... interior fair... glass is > > good... seems > > to me it was getting around 22 in town, upper 20's > > on the road... > > > > I'm thinking pulling what parts I can get off in an > > evening and > > have the rest hauled off for scrap... my neighbor > > does the recycling > > thing and has a truck/trailer... maybe he'll split > > the scrap "profits"... > > > > getting it fixed means paying the tow truck guy > > (again) and hauling > > it to the shop and then paying the mechanic... but > > it would be a > > running car... with about $600 tied up in it... if > > it weren't a front > > engine compact replacing the timing chain would be > > something even I > > could do in an evening. :) > > > > we're going to look at a '97 jeep on Wednesday... > > :) finally, my > > daughter has agreed to get a jeep... whoo hoo... > > something I can > > work on... > > > > just checked kbb.com.... > > private party $1,200(exc) - 1000 - $650... so that > > means I'd break even on repairs, > > maybe... just maybe, double my money... likely make > > $200 for my troubles... > > trade in value is worse (running) is $325 - $650 > > > > thoughts on this process? it's a really tough > > call... fix or part/scrap... > > oh... she's had this for 5 years... paid about $1900 > > for it back then... > > figure she's gotten her money's worth out of it... > > it's NEVER left her > > stranded until last week... > > > > > > > > john - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't get caught with egg on your face. 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