From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 16 09:37:43 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, July 16 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2501 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Re: [db] failure on the fourth... [db] A Car for SWMBO? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:16:00 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? If it was being fixed and she plan to keep it and drive it probably would be worth it, but not to fix and sell. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:38:24 GMT >Yeah, but those are a fairly strong car. She could probably drive it >for another 5 years if you took the time to fix it. It may not have >much cash value, but a good-running car is worth something. > >Jason > >-- Jim Hoffman wrote: >It's a GM... Scrap it! > >;) > >Jim > >--- john wrote: > > > at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with > > a repair that > > is often the death knell... > > > > so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the > > repair costs which > > equals more than the possible sales price what does > > one do? > > > > I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my > > shop... maybe > > use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... > > there is an old > > CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... > > > > so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and > > then sell it > > for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off > > for scrap and > > not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs > > to wait weeks > > to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's > > present state > > and since it's on older vehicle with little > > collectable value the > > parts aren't even worth pulling off... > > > > any one need anything from a '91 grand am? :) body > > is in good > > shape, but it's a cheap little car with a broken > > timing chain, > > a/c that needs a charge and a heater that doesn't > > heat much... power > > windows are marginal... interior fair... glass is > > good... seems > > to me it was getting around 22 in town, upper 20's > > on the road... > > > > I'm thinking pulling what parts I can get off in an > > evening and > > have the rest hauled off for scrap... my neighbor > > does the recycling > > thing and has a truck/trailer... maybe he'll split > > the scrap "profits"... > > > > getting it fixed means paying the tow truck guy > > (again) and hauling > > it to the shop and then paying the mechanic... but > > it would be a > > running car... with about $600 tied up in it... if > > it weren't a front > > engine compact replacing the timing chain would be > > something even I > > could do in an evening. :) > > > > we're going to look at a '97 jeep on Wednesday... > > :) finally, my > > daughter has agreed to get a jeep... whoo hoo... > > something I can > > work on... > > > > just checked kbb.com.... > > private party $1,200(exc) - 1000 - $650... so that > > means I'd break even on repairs, > > maybe... just maybe, double my money... likely make > > $200 for my troubles... > > trade in value is worse (running) is $325 - $650 > > > > thoughts on this process? it's a really tough > > call... fix or part/scrap... > > oh... she's had this for 5 years... paid about $1900 > > for it back then... > > figure she's gotten her money's worth out of it... > > it's NEVER left her > > stranded until last week... > > > > > > > > john - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? that sounds good in theory... ...if you don't consider: rain, bad back, no truck, spillage... buckets are more manageable.... haven't gotten a call, chuck and I will need to visit w/ his spanish speaking son. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # Just collect a few barrels and have them pour it into your barrels. Then # bring an empty barrel and take the full one. # # Allen # # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # # From: john # To: chuck goolsbee # CC: diesel-benz list # Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? # Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:42:41 -0700 (PDT) # >hey, let's meet up with your kid in tow and sort out the oil # >situation there... maybe have lunch there at the same time... # >food is so-so... ;) # > # > # >we could alternate weeks of pickup, even though I will probably need # >all of it and more once I get my big Jeep rolling.... but I have # >a feeling that we will really NEED a spanish speaking # coordinator. :) # > # >they are currently paying someone to haul it off... and they're just # >dumping it into a barrel out in the drive... we'd need a pump setup # >to extract it... or provide them with buckets or something... # > # >setting up a fuel heater on my GW will be less expensive and # >doesn't involve exotic chemicals or processes that require reading # >instructions and consistency. ;) # > # > # >john # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # >On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: # > # > # At 10:25 PM -0700 7/7/07, john wrote: # > # >Chuck, # > # > # > # >What's the cost of this setup? # > # # > # To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. I paid a guy $40 for an # old water # > # heater. The big parts (pump, plumbing, etc) probably cost me # about $250. The # > # little parts... who knows. Maybe more? Lots of trips to the # hardware store # > # over the past couple of months. # > # # > # A lot of it I had lying around out in the barn... tubing, wood, # PVC, etc. # > # # > # If I were to guess off the top of my head I bet I've spent # between $500 & # > # $600 so far. It should pay itself off in under a year though. # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # # > # >and they speak spanish... and I don't. :) # > # # > # My son speaks Spanish quite well. He just returned from Chile. # Spent a # > # semester there as an AFS Exchange Student. I'm happy to rent him # out. ;) # > # # > # # > # >so, if my GW turns out... having fuel heaters on board would # permit # > # >one the road use of WVO... but of course we know that we can # blend # > # >without trouble... so if out and about I could mix in 5 gallons # into # > # >each tank (40 gal capacity)... # > # > # > # >Thoughts? # > # # > # Whatever works for you John! # > # # > # I'll give you a call tomorrow. # > # # > # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? she's already bought a '97 XJ... have a guy buying it to fix, get's better mileage than his XJ... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # If it was being fixed and she plan to keep it and drive it probably would # be worth it, but not to fix and sell. # # Allen # # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # # From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" # To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? # Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:38:24 GMT # >Yeah, but those are a fairly strong car. She could probably drive it # >for another 5 years if you took the time to fix it. It may not have # >much cash value, but a good-running car is worth something. # > # >Jason # > # >-- Jim Hoffman wrote: # >It's a GM... Scrap it! # > # >;) # > # >Jim # > # >--- john wrote: # > # > > at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with # > > a repair that # > > is often the death knell... # > > # > > so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the # > > repair costs which # > > equals more than the possible sales price what does # > > one do? # > > # > > I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my # > > shop... maybe # > > use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... # > > there is an old # > > CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... # > > # > > so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and # > > then sell it # > > for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off # > > for scrap and # > > not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs # > > to wait weeks # > > to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's # > > present state # > > and since it's on older vehicle with little # > > collectable value the # > > parts aren't even worth pulling off... # > > # > > any one need anything from a '91 grand am? :) body # > > is in good # > > shape, but it's a cheap little car with a broken # > > timing chain, # > > a/c that needs a charge and a heater that doesn't # > > heat much... power # > > windows are marginal... interior fair... glass is # > > good... seems # > > to me it was getting around 22 in town, upper 20's # > > on the road... # > > # > > I'm thinking pulling what parts I can get off in an # > > evening and # > > have the rest hauled off for scrap... my neighbor # > > does the recycling # > > thing and has a truck/trailer... maybe he'll split # > > the scrap "profits"... # > > # > > getting it fixed means paying the tow truck guy # > > (again) and hauling # > > it to the shop and then paying the mechanic... but # > > it would be a # > > running car... with about $600 tied up in it... if # > > it weren't a front # > > engine compact replacing the timing chain would be # > > something even I # > > could do in an evening. :) # > > # > > we're going to look at a '97 jeep on Wednesday... # > > :) finally, my # > > daughter has agreed to get a jeep... whoo hoo... # > > something I can # > > work on... # > > # > > just checked kbb.com.... # > > private party $1,200(exc) - 1000 - $650... so that # > > means I'd break even on repairs, # > > maybe... just maybe, double my money... likely make # > > $200 for my troubles... # > > trade in value is worse (running) is $325 - $650 # > > # > > thoughts on this process? it's a really tough # > > call... fix or part/scrap... # > > oh... she's had this for 5 years... paid about $1900 # > > for it back then... # > > figure she's gotten her money's worth out of it... # > > it's NEVER left her # > > stranded until last week... # > > # > > # > > # > > john # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one # place! # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:20:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] failure on the fourth... $70 ... problem is getting tools in there to pull the old sprocket off... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # The 3.1 uses a timing chain too. It should be easily replaceable with a # new set that is probably really cheap at most parts stores. The problem # is getting to it in that van. # # Allen # # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # # From: Edward Pomeroy # Reply-To: ejpomeroy-at-qtm.net # To: john # CC: db # Subject: Re: [db] failure on the fourth... # Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2007 14:24:33 -0400 # >OK - thanks. Looks like I may still be a couple of years away from a # >problem. Son will get said Pontiac van once he finishes his # >learner permit training, needs about another 40 hours with parents # >(white knucked we are) before he can get a daylight driving permit # >(he is still under 16 for a few more months). Michigan has cracked # >down on the rules for new drivers, which is a good thing for the # >rest of you :-) # > # >Frankly, my honest opinion is that kids should not be able to drive # >until the age of 18, but that is just an old dinosaur ranting. # > # >Edward # > # >john wrote: # > # >>148,316 # >> # >> ----- # >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- # >>Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # >> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- # >> # >>On Sat, 7 Jul 2007, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # >> # >># Gosh, it keeps getting more messy. # >># # Now I have to worry about the 3.1L Pontiac engine in my van # >>which has 120K # >># miles. How many miles were on your 2.5 Pontiac engine when the # >>chain broke? # >># # Edward # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:30:11 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] A Car for SWMBO? Two options, polar opposites! ebay id 330147183519 Would be a fixer-upper, then give to SWMBO. Sounds like the starter motor is toast. No big deal. Then work on the interior and wax it, and be happy! ebay id 280134758339 With that few miles on it, the ovalling risk would almost be worth taking to get a car that nice! After all, an engine replacement can be had if the car is worth it! Jason ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2501 **********************************