From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jul 16 13:02:21 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, July 16 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2502 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] A Car for SWMBO? Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:47:54 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] A Car for SWMBO? on the 1976 300D, I don't believe the 75,000 mile claim based on those interior pictures, but I don't think it's even a starter problem. Try a valve adjustment and fresh oil, and probably a more appropriate battery than whatever they tried. On the 91 350SDL, I see what you mean. That one is very temptingly clean, but it seems to have been through several short-term owners. Also no indication of how high this price will go. I suspect neither of these is quite right for her. Either that, or I just want you to keep looking and posting possibilities to this list. ;-) Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 223K On 7/16/07, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Two options, polar opposites! > > ebay id 330147183519 > > Would be a fixer-upper, then give to SWMBO. Sounds like the starter > motor is toast. No big deal. Then work on the interior and wax it, and > be happy! > > ebay id 280134758339 > > With that few miles on it, the ovalling risk would almost be worth > taking to get a car that nice! After all, an engine replacement can be > had if the car is worth it! > > Jason ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:41:29 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? I saw the XJ and it looked really nice. At least you didn't have to scrap the car. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: Allen Zylstra CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) >she's already bought a '97 XJ... have >a guy buying it to fix, get's better mileage >than his XJ... > >john > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > # If it was being fixed and she plan to keep it and drive it probably would > # be worth it, but not to fix and sell. > # > # Allen > # > # -------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" > # To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? > # Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:38:24 GMT > # >Yeah, but those are a fairly strong car. She could probably drive it > # >for another 5 years if you took the time to fix it. It may not have > # >much cash value, but a good-running car is worth something. > # > > # >Jason > # > > # >-- Jim Hoffman wrote: > # >It's a GM... Scrap it! > # > > # >;) > # > > # >Jim > # > > # >--- john wrote: > # > > # > > at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with > # > > a repair that > # > > is often the death knell... > # > > > # > > so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the > # > > repair costs which > # > > equals more than the possible sales price what does > # > > one do? > # > > > # > > I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my > # > > shop... maybe > # > > use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... > # > > there is an old > # > > CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... > # > > > # > > so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and > # > > then sell it > # > > for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off > # > > for scrap and > # > > not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs > # > > to wait weeks > # > > to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's > # > > present state > # > > and since it's on older vehicle with little > # > > collectable value the > # > > parts aren't even worth pulling off... > # > > > # > > any one need anything from a '91 grand am? :) body > # > > is in good > # > > shape, but it's a cheap little car with a broken > # > > timing chain, > # > > a/c that needs a charge and a heater that doesn't > # > > heat much... power > # > > windows are marginal... interior fair... glass is > # > > good... seems > # > > to me it was getting around 22 in town, upper 20's > # > > on the road... > # > > > # > > I'm thinking pulling what parts I can get off in an > # > > evening and > # > > have the rest hauled off for scrap... my neighbor > # > > does the recycling > # > > thing and has a truck/trailer... maybe he'll split > # > > the scrap "profits"... > # > > > # > > getting it fixed means paying the tow truck guy > # > > (again) and hauling > # > > it to the shop and then paying the mechanic... but > # > > it would be a > # > > running car... with about $600 tied up in it... if > # > > it weren't a front > # > > engine compact replacing the timing chain would be > # > > something even I > # > > could do in an evening. :) > # > > > # > > we're going to look at a '97 jeep on Wednesday... > # > > :) finally, my > # > > daughter has agreed to get a jeep... whoo hoo... > # > > something I can > # > > work on... > # > > > # > > just checked kbb.com.... > # > > private party $1,200(exc) - 1000 - $650... so that > # > > means I'd break even on repairs, > # > > maybe... just maybe, double my money... likely make > # > > $200 for my troubles... > # > > trade in value is worse (running) is $325 - $650 > # > > > # > > thoughts on this process? it's a really tough > # > > call... fix or part/scrap... > # > > oh... she's had this for 5 years... paid about $1900 > # > > for it back then... > # > > figure she's gotten her money's worth out of it... > # > > it's NEVER left her > # > > stranded until last week... > # > > > # > > > # > > > # > > john > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one > # place! > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:40:12 -0500 From: "Allen Zylstra" Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Yes, it depends on your setup and if they keep it covered for you. I use a barrel pump, but after about 15gallons it is getting to be work. Looking into an electric pump. 5 gallon buckets or if you can get them to pour it back into the cubies would work good too. Allen -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: john To: Allen Zylstra CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:13:02 -0700 (PDT) >that sounds good in theory... > >...if you don't consider: >rain, bad back, no truck, spillage... > >buckets are more manageable.... > >haven't gotten a call, chuck and I will >need to visit w/ his spanish speaking son. > >:) >john > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: > > # Just collect a few barrels and have them pour it into your barrels. Then > # bring an empty barrel and take the full one. > # > # Allen > # > # -------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # From: john > # To: chuck goolsbee > # CC: diesel-benz list > # Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? > # Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:42:41 -0700 (PDT) > # >hey, let's meet up with your kid in tow and sort out the oil > # >situation there... maybe have lunch there at the same time... > # >food is so-so... ;) > # > > # > > # >we could alternate weeks of pickup, even though I will probably need > # >all of it and more once I get my big Jeep rolling.... but I have > # >a feeling that we will really NEED a spanish speaking > # coordinator. :) > # > > # >they are currently paying someone to haul it off... and they're just > # >dumping it into a barrel out in the drive... we'd need a pump setup > # >to extract it... or provide them with buckets or something... > # > > # >setting up a fuel heater on my GW will be less expensive and > # >doesn't involve exotic chemicals or processes that require reading > # >instructions and consistency. ;) > # > > # > > # >john > # > > # > ----- > # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > # mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # >On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: > # > > # > # At 10:25 PM -0700 7/7/07, john wrote: > # > # >Chuck, > # > # > > # > # >What's the cost of this setup? > # > # > # > # To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. I paid a guy $40 for an > # old water > # > # heater. The big parts (pump, plumbing, etc) probably cost me > # about $250. The > # > # little parts... who knows. Maybe more? Lots of trips to the > # hardware store > # > # over the past couple of months. > # > # > # > # A lot of it I had lying around out in the barn... tubing, wood, > # PVC, etc. > # > # > # > # If I were to guess off the top of my head I bet I've spent > # between $500 & > # > # $600 so far. It should pay itself off in under a year though. > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # >and they speak spanish... and I don't. :) > # > # > # > # My son speaks Spanish quite well. He just returned from Chile. > # Spent a > # > # semester there as an AFS Exchange Student. I'm happy to rent him > # out. ;) > # > # > # > # > # > # >so, if my GW turns out... having fuel heaters on board would > # permit > # > # >one the road use of WVO... but of course we know that we can > # blend > # > # >without trouble... so if out and about I could mix in 5 gallons > # into > # > # >each tank (40 gal capacity)... > # > # > > # > # >Thoughts? > # > # > # > # Whatever works for you John! > # > # > # > # I'll give you a call tomorrow. > # > # > # > # > # > # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > # Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! > # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ More photos, more messages, more storage^Wget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? yep... it's a nice car... the guy buying it is going in for back surgery, car might be around for a while... trying to get him to haul it to his place and pay me later... otherwise I'll want to start wrenching on it. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # I saw the XJ and it looked really nice. At least you didn't have to # scrap the car. # # Allen # # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # # From: john # To: Allen Zylstra # CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? # Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:16:49 -0700 (PDT) # >she's already bought a '97 XJ... have # >a guy buying it to fix, get's better mileage # >than his XJ... # > # >john # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # >On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # > # > # If it was being fixed and she plan to keep it and drive it # probably would # > # be worth it, but not to fix and sell. # > # # > # Allen # > # # > # # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" # > # To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > # Subject: Re: [db] fix, sell or scrap? # > # Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:38:24 GMT # > # >Yeah, but those are a fairly strong car. She could probably # drive it # > # >for another 5 years if you took the time to fix it. It may # not have # > # >much cash value, but a good-running car is worth something. # > # > # > # >Jason # > # > # > # >-- Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # >It's a GM... Scrap it! # > # > # > # >;) # > # > # > # >Jim # > # > # > # >--- john wrote: # > # > # > # > > at some point in a vehicle's life one is faced with # > # > > a repair that # > # > > is often the death knell... # > # > > # > # > > so, if the sum of the parts equal more than the # > # > > repair costs which # > # > > equals more than the possible sales price what does # > # > > one do? # > # > > # > # > > I figure I can sell the tires, use the battery in my # > # > > shop... maybe # > # > > use the fuel tank for waste veggie oil some how... # > # > > there is an old # > # > > CD player that is worth... oh, maybe 10, 20 bucks... # > # > > # > # > > so the question is... do I fix it for about $500 and # > # > > then sell it # > # > > for $700 to a $1000??? or do I have it hauled off # > # > > for scrap and # > # > > not waste the time and expense of towing and repairs # > # > > to wait weeks # > # > > to get my money back out... it's not selling in it's # > # > > present state # > # > > and since it's on older vehicle with little # > # > > collectable value the # > # > > parts aren't even worth pulling off... # > # > > # > # > > any one need anything from a '91 grand am? :) body # > # > > is in good # > # > > shape, but it's a cheap little car with a broken # > # > > timing chain, # > # > > a/c that needs a charge and a heater that doesn't # > # > > heat much... power # > # > > windows are marginal... interior fair... glass is # > # > > good... seems # > # > > to me it was getting around 22 in town, upper 20's # > # > > on the road... # > # > > # > # > > I'm thinking pulling what parts I can get off in an # > # > > evening and # > # > > have the rest hauled off for scrap... my neighbor # > # > > does the recycling # > # > > thing and has a truck/trailer... maybe he'll split # > # > > the scrap "profits"... # > # > > # > # > > getting it fixed means paying the tow truck guy # > # > > (again) and hauling # > # > > it to the shop and then paying the mechanic... but # > # > > it would be a # > # > > running car... with about $600 tied up in it... if # > # > > it weren't a front # > # > > engine compact replacing the timing chain would be # > # > > something even I # > # > > could do in an evening. :) # > # > > # > # > > we're going to look at a '97 jeep on Wednesday... # > # > > :) finally, my # > # > > daughter has agreed to get a jeep... whoo hoo... # > # > > something I can # > # > > work on... # > # > > # > # > > just checked kbb.com.... # > # > > private party $1,200(exc) - 1000 - $650... so that # > # > > means I'd break even on repairs, # > # > > maybe... just maybe, double my money... likely make # > # > > $200 for my troubles... # > # > > trade in value is worse (running) is $325 - $650 # > # > > # > # > > thoughts on this process? it's a really tough # > # > > call... fix or part/scrap... # > # > > oh... she's had this for 5 years... paid about $1900 # > # > > for it back then... # > # > > figure she's gotten her money's worth out of it... # > # > > it's NEVER left her # > # > > stranded until last week... # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > > john # > # # > # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all # in one # > # place! # > # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your # choice. Join Now. # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:01:34 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? main problem is the language barrier... It was clear to me that they did not understand what I was saying... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # Yes, it depends on your setup and if they keep it covered for you. I # use a barrel pump, but after about 15gallons it is getting to be work. # Looking into an electric pump. # # 5 gallon buckets or if you can get them to pour it back into the cubies # would work good too. # # Allen # # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # # From: john # To: Allen Zylstra # CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the cars? # Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:13:02 -0700 (PDT) # >that sounds good in theory... # > # >...if you don't consider: # >rain, bad back, no truck, spillage... # > # >buckets are more manageable.... # > # >haven't gotten a call, chuck and I will # >need to visit w/ his spanish speaking son. # > # >:) # >john # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they # mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # >On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # > # > # Just collect a few barrels and have them pour it into your # barrels. Then # > # bring an empty barrel and take the full one. # > # # > # Allen # > # # > # # -------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # From: john # > # To: chuck goolsbee # > # CC: diesel-benz list # > # Subject: Re: [db] Some oil to cook the popcorn? ...or run the # cars? # > # Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:42:41 -0700 (PDT) # > # >hey, let's meet up with your kid in tow and sort out the oil # > # >situation there... maybe have lunch there at the same # time... # > # >food is so-so... ;) # > # > # > # > # > # >we could alternate weeks of pickup, even though I will # probably need # > # >all of it and more once I get my big Jeep rolling.... but I # have # > # >a feeling that we will really NEED a spanish speaking # > # coordinator. :) # > # > # > # >they are currently paying someone to haul it off... and # they're just # > # >dumping it into a barrel out in the drive... we'd need a pump # setup # > # >to extract it... or provide them with buckets or something... # > # > # > # >setting up a fuel heater on my GW will be less expensive and # > # >doesn't involve exotic chemicals or processes that require # reading # > # >instructions and consistency. ;) # > # > # > # > # > # >john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, # they # > # mold # > # > http://freegift.com ** # http://wagoneers.com ** # > # # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # >On Sun, 8 Jul 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: # > # > # > # > # At 10:25 PM -0700 7/7/07, john wrote: # > # > # >Chuck, # > # > # > # > # > # >What's the cost of this setup? # > # > # # > # > # To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. I paid a guy $40 # for an # > # old water # > # > # heater. The big parts (pump, plumbing, etc) probably cost # me # > # about $250. The # > # > # little parts... who knows. Maybe more? Lots of trips to # the # > # hardware store # > # > # over the past couple of months. # > # > # # > # > # A lot of it I had lying around out in the barn... tubing, # wood, # > # PVC, etc. # > # > # # > # > # If I were to guess off the top of my head I bet I've # spent # > # between $500 & # > # > # $600 so far. It should pay itself off in under a year # though. # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # >and they speak spanish... and I don't. :) # > # > # # > # > # My son speaks Spanish quite well. He just returned from # Chile. # > # Spent a # > # > # semester there as an AFS Exchange Student. I'm happy to # rent him # > # out. ;) # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # >so, if my GW turns out... having fuel heaters on board # would # > # permit # > # > # >one the road use of WVO... but of course we know that we # can # > # blend # > # > # >without trouble... so if out and about I could mix in 5 # gallons # > # into # > # > # >each tank (40 gal capacity)... # > # > # > # > # > # >Thoughts? # > # > # # > # > # Whatever works for you John! # > # > # # > # > # I'll give you a call tomorrow. # > # > # # > # > # # > # # > # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # # > # Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! # > # # # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # More photos, more messages, more storage^Wget 2GB with Windows Live # Hotmail. # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2502 **********************************