From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jul 26 13:49:01 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, July 26 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2517 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Strangeness...... [db] Re: fsj: comparing dimensions Re: [db] Strangeness...... Re: [db] Re: fsj: comparing dimensions [db] imbalance in the system... Re: [db] Re: fsj: comparing dimensions [db] nuclear vs. renewable... Re: [db] winshield misting over after A/C shutdown ('85 300D) [db] your thoughts? [db] this one, this one or that one? [db] problem(s) solved? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:16:04 -0500 From: "Chuck Galloway" Subject: Re: [db] Strangeness...... Jason, Sorry, I missed the bottom of your post about not reversing the lines. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:25:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: comparing dimensions I like this idea... so who wants to buy shadowfax this time? :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Kevin wrote: # On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 11:34:52PM -0700, john wrote: # > just thinking out loud... trying to decide: # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/91GW_950/91GW_200/ - 16 mpg on Diesel/veggie oil # > http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/XJ-2001/ - 16 mpg on gas # # Both :) # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:13:08 -0500 From: "Chuck Galloway" Subject: Re: [db] Strangeness...... If the fuel hoses have been disconnected for some reason - like running diesel purge through the engine - they may have been reconnected backwards. The return for the fuel tank is about 1/4 up the tank so as long as you keep it topped up - no problem. You can try switching the hoses in the engine compartment and see if you can get below 1/4 tank. Chuck Galloway '87 300SDL '92 300E _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:13:00 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: comparing dimensions What's the latest version of your asking price? And just how many miles are on shadowfax these days? Alec On 7/25/07, john wrote: > I like this idea... so who wants to > buy shadowfax this time? :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:04:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] imbalance in the system... oh no... this could cause time-space continum problems... not sure this is such a good thing... ;) we might be ok as long as curtis stays down there... if all three of us are too close that could be very, very bad... kevin is two states away, jon is in texas, jim in wisconsin, fred and jason are on the wrong coast, further maintaining a good balance.... if anyone else moves closer existence as we know it could be jeparodized... :) the monster carport phenomenon is infectious... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Jim Blair wrote: # Actually, a pair of narrower axles and a bob of the frame will make it work # quite nicely. I already have an XJ rear diff. # # Oh, and I'm actually moving closer to you! Right in the peak of the I-5 and # I-405! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:19:56 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: fsj: comparing dimensions seemed to sell pretty quick at $7,500 last time... will start there for no other reason... only current issue is a "whining sound", most likely the a/c compressor clutch bearings, alternator got a clean bill of health. jim startup spent a day trying to find it... guessing either the a/c compressor or ps pump... both are working, but since the a/c (134) leaks down over time I would guess it's the culprit... not a big deal... But, I will obtain a used compressor and ps pump and include them so there are NO issues whatsoever. - - new tires... HR rated, stick like glue even on wet... ride nice... - - a/c was just charged - - have added power slotted/cross drilled rotors - - have the original factory radio, but a JVC mp3 player is in the dash. - - european lights with silverstar bulbs... the original lights ended up on two other mercedes... - - last oil analysis shows a very healthy engine... amsoil in trans/engine, using Amsoil Heavy Duty Synthetic Diesel oil, 5w30?, will have to look. - - k&n filter wrapped in amsoil filter material - - speedo cable was lubed, cruise works perfectly as well... - - sheepskin cover on driver's seat... - - overall average is 28 miles (mostly in town) - - typical mileage lately in town is 26 to 28 mpg. (epa rating is 26 or 27) - - best mileage - Seattle to Spokane 39.75 mpg - - worst mileage - 23 or 25 in town, stop and go... cold weather - - current miles, 234,944 plus about 375 (1/4 tank left)... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, Alec Cordova wrote: # What's the latest version of your asking price? # And just how many miles are on shadowfax these days? # # Alec # # On 7/25/07, john wrote: # > I like this idea... so who wants to # > buy shadowfax this time? :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:39:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] nuclear vs. renewable... just saw this article... makes electric power seem the most likely for vehicles... http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070724_renewable.htm chernobyl not withstanding... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] winshield misting over after A/C shutdown ('85 300D) something is clogged up then... try cleaning the drains... well, gotta find 'em first. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: # hi! # # wouldn't be surprised to see it happen after an engine shutdown and short # stop, but i've never seen it happen when the car was still running, and never # to the extreme i'm seeing now. # # # cheers! # e # # # john wrote: # > noticed that my benz did that same thing yesterday... went # > to restart after it had sat for a while and the windshield fogged # > up for a minute... might be normal for certain weather conditions??? # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Wed, 25 Jul 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: # > # > # a possibility i had considered, but can't find anything that's as # > # obviously a # > # drain as it is on the XJ,... any tip/hints on where to find it? # > # # > # # > # cheers! # > # e # > # # > # # > # john wrote: # > # > possibly the drain is clogged... water is collected # > # > over the condensor and when you shut down rises up??? # > # > # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # > On Tue, 24 Jul 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: # > # > # > # > # hi all! # > # > # # > # > # i've got a curious symptom that i'm hoping someone can point me # > # > # to # > # > # the cause of: # > # > # lately, anytime i shut off the A/C after using it while driving, # > # > # moisture vapor becoming condensation blowing onto the windshield # > # > # becomes # > # > # bad enough as to impede visibility. any ideas as to what this is a # > # > # symptom of, and/or what i might look for? # > # > # # > # > # # > # > # cheers! # > # > # e # > # > # # > # > # > # > # > # > # > # # > # # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] your thoughts? ok popcorn crowd... giving serious thought to a couple of xj limiteds... still trying to decide if I'm keeping the 124 and the FSJ, or getting an XJ... found a '98 Limited with tan interior, but has a few issues... and the '01 with dark gray interior, in pretty decent shape, it's at: http://wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/XJ-2001/ book value is around 9 to 10k... seat heater is marginal, leather worn, front fender damaged, tires are ok, but worn... this is a pnw vehicle, rust isn't an option... 130,000 highway miles, one owner... no mechanical issues mentioned... engine looks dusty... what kind of highway??? any idea of pricing? the '98 is much cheaper than this one, no pictures yet... the owner has a lot of spelling errors in his ad... so I'm nervous on the '98's condition... the '01 owner is pretty sharp... long time jeep owner, obviously a professional... both vehicles are a couple of hours away so it's not easy to check them out... especially with the final exam for tmgt 616 saturday. ;) so, it's either buy a nice XJ or spend the money on fixing my '91 Grand Wagoneer... that is as soon as it gets released from the black hole... no idea of when that will happen... I may have lost another jeep... dang... :( that'll be four consumed by the black hole... ;) actually only expect two to escape... stand on the edge from time to time and look at them... waiting, waiting... can see 'em, but they won't follow me home... either way, gotta have a jeep... ;) A Mercedes Diesel is great but it's not a Jeep... ;) on the '91 GW I'll need to spend about $500 on the seats, about $1200 on body work... lots of interior items that aren't perfect, but might be able to swap them with the '89.... probably for around $2 to 3k I'll have Omega setup nicely... but how much time? and when I'm done, what will I have? http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/91GW_950/91GW_200/ The plan has been to get the '91 GW fitted with the 6.2L Diesel, I have no idea what the status is at this point... last word was fittings on the radiator... that was three weeks ago... left messages, sent emails... not even an echo when I leave a message. ;) looking at the pictures of the '91 interior there is a lot of work needed to bring it up to a nice vehicle... and the body issues... while the '01 XJ is pretty much a done deal... would add a warn winch mount to the front, nerf bars and call it good... 16 mpg in town on gas... the '91 GW will get between 16 and 18 mpg in town with the 6.2L Diesel. the xj will get 21 on the road... suspect the GW will get 19 to 20 on the freeway... veggie oil or gas? full size or xj? old or new? interestingly enough... both are the last year models... omega, and omega jr. OJ... ;) I've even gone so far as to attempt to create a weighted matrix to help in my indecision... ;) http://wagoneers.com/tmp/decision-matrix.pdf I put up a couple of "fleece tests" so far, and they're falling in place... first was leather seats... then the power lumbar... the next and last is if they'll accept an offer... I'm afraid they'll accept it though... they've been trying to sell for a while... and of course if someone makes me an offer on Shadowfax and can pick it up in Portland, well, that lines up all the cogs just perfectly... stranger things have happened.... as anyone who knows me can attest to... :) btw, I picked up some nice Act II popcorn... pretty decent... :) was munching on cheerios this evening... supposedly better for lowering cholesterol. ;) in my defense I would like to state that if I were not dependent upon the generosity and assistance of others that these decisions would be far easier to make... but having to wait on others creates a much more complicated scenario. :) But it does have some entertainment and educational value. I've learned a lot about the '97 and up Cherokee XJs... Also picked up some info on Mercedes Diesels used in recent models and how they might just work in a Jeep too... but that's another bag of popcorn. :) at this point it's possible that the fleet will expand before it contracts... munch, munch... the only certainty at this point is the keeping of the WJ, and the uncertainty of the rest... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] this one, this one or that one? http://wagoneers.com/tmp/xj-124-sj.html the plan is for one vehicle... interim will be two... the hope is the SJ with the Diesel will work out... for a few months 2, ultimately 1... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] problem(s) solved? looks like almost all my problems are solved... well at least most of the ones caused by waiting for Omega... and the fuel heater setup on either the 300D or the '91 GW... :) basically... had an expensive lunch... which solved the problem(s) of which Jeep(s) to get... answer: NONE, other than the "free" one. ;) bucks be gone... washer/dryer went on sale at home depot, window replacements needed at the house... and flooring for my office... cha-ching... hear that plastic scream... oh what a painful sound it is... but wait, there's more... the WJ with the bad engine sold... (mercifully). So, next week the '89 GW with the bad engine will be retrieved... not sure when my hopefully good '91 is coming, still nothing out of the centralia blackhole (anyone driving by on I-5 with a Jeep be careful, warning signs should be posted soon... ;) after much useful and helpful advice, and detailed pictures from the folks with the 2001 XJ... I've decided to give up on the idea of an XJ, or another WJ since that idea got vetoed faster than the fries hit the oil at wendys... speaking of oil, looks like at least one of my friends has perfected the biodiesel process and that will save me some trouble on omega, no need for a fuel heater if I run biodiesel... lot less trouble... just regular dual tanks! I do a good job of finding the oil, but I would do a terrible job of making biodiesel... I have actually burned chicken noodle soup before... my wife will NOT let me in the kitchen or anywhere near vegetable oil and an open flame... :) so, the plan remains the same, only the popcorn changed... (will send the name if you'd like of the current brand I'm using... ;) so, full speed ahead with Omega, the '91 Grand Wagoneer... Shadowfax remains until Omega is fully up on his feet and proven... no XJs in my future, other than my daughter's, and no WJs for me, except for my wife's. The '89 GW that's coming home will get the engine repaired or replaced, fixed up cleaned up and put up for adoption... waiting is not something I do well it seems, especially when I have an internet connection... but it is entertaining. :) (btw, my neighbor still has that '74 Maverick ... cheap...) so, the end result will be one '99 WJ, one '91 GW and either the J10 trailer or J10 stepside... the benz be gone when and if the 6.2 works out... that is all. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2517 **********************************