From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Aug 30 22:35:43 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, August 31 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2529 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:02:20 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? Hello Everyone, I have the same problem where the light stays on too long. It actually never turns off until the car starts. Anyway, I replaced the relay and that didn't fix it. Marc Z. Kevin wrote: > If the light is staying on, it's probably the relay. Could try a whack if > you suspect the relay is sticking. > > There's two types of glow system, parallel and series. It's obvious which > one you have by looking at the plugs. The relay should be in the engine > compartment along the firewall, though I think there is some sort of controller > under the dash on the parallel style ones. Can't remember, it's been a while > since I've had to play with a 123. > > If the light stays on while running, though, it often means you have a bad > plug and need to fix that. An ohmmeter across your plugs will tell you whether > you have a good one or not. If it shows a dead short, it's probably fine since > most meters can't read .6 ohm well, and a dead short would pop the fuse. > Measurable resistance over five ohms or so and it's bad, an open is really > bad :) > > On the parallel ones, there's a plug on the firewall that goes to each plug > that makes diagnosis easier. > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > >> the yellow preheating light on SWMBO's w123 300D no longer goes off after the >> regulation 30 seconds or so. >> >> I suspect the relay. >> >> Can this be cured by a whack with a screwdriver handle, or does it have to be >> replaced ? >> >> And where does it live ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:09:29 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? did you check the plugs? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Marc Z wrote: # Hello Everyone, # # I have the same problem where the light stays on too long. It # actually never turns off until the car starts. # # Anyway, I replaced the relay and that didn't fix it. # # Marc Z. # # Kevin wrote: # > If the light is staying on, it's probably the relay. Could try a whack if # > you suspect the relay is sticking. # > # > There's two types of glow system, parallel and series. It's obvious which # > one you have by looking at the plugs. The relay should be in the engine # > compartment along the firewall, though I think there is some sort of controller # > under the dash on the parallel style ones. Can't remember, it's been a while # > since I've had to play with a 123. # > # > If the light stays on while running, though, it often means you have a bad # > plug and need to fix that. An ohmmeter across your plugs will tell you whether # > you have a good one or not. If it shows a dead short, it's probably fine since # > most meters can't read .6 ohm well, and a dead short would pop the fuse. # > Measurable resistance over five ohms or so and it's bad, an open is really # > bad :) # > # > On the parallel ones, there's a plug on the firewall that goes to each plug # > that makes diagnosis easier. # > # > On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # > # >> the yellow preheating light on SWMBO's w123 300D no longer goes off after the # >> regulation 30 seconds or so. # >> # >> I suspect the relay. # >> # >> Can this be cured by a whack with a screwdriver handle, or does it have to be # >> replaced ? # >> # >> And where does it live ? # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:35:16 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale Tom sent pictures and details... looks pretty nice, has a replacement engine... will have the 904 transmission with an NP229 Selectrac... He said the a/c needs a charge... left front fender was replaced... paint has typical Eastern Washington oxidation from all that nasty Sun over there... but since it's still close to the green side it doesn't rust... so in Spokane you'd have no rust, no mold, just sunburned paint. ;) I'm still thinking about it, but am probably going to pass... I figure it's a really good deal, really like the TBI part, automatic, a/c and selectrac... could be a really nice little economical Cherokee... here's pictures: http://wagoneers.com/tmp/86xj/ALL.html Tom, I can move these into a regular XJ rigs directory if you'd like and if anyone on the list(s) doesn't go for it, then you're welcome to point to my server for craigslist... tempting, very tempting... but as a good friend told me this morning: "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". :) I suspect I should fix the Jeep that I have in my carport before looking for more, eh? :) thanx for the opportunity tom... we'll find it a good home. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Cohrs, Thomas wrote: # Hi John, # # I've attached some interior pictures above, it is blue. # # It has TBI, and I think my lead footed son was getting about 16 to 18 mpg # around town. The tc is the "SelecTrac", I would need to crawl underneath to # get the np number. # # A little history, the original engine threw a rod at about 220,000. My son # put in a used engine from pull and save that seems pretty decent. It starts # and runs well, sounds good and doesn't use much oil. However a 4cyl in # front of an automatic just won't get up the hills as quickly as some people # would like. # # Tom C. # # -----Original Message----- # From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] # Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:20 PM # To: Cohrs, Thomas # Subject: RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale # # what kind of mileage does it get? # # does it have a TBI or a carb (when was it built, what's the mfg code?) # # transfer case? # # thanx, # john # # # # Greetings all, I have my son's 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale here in # # Spokane. # # # He went and got all educated and moved to Seattle. Thought I would # offer # # it # # # here first before going to Craig's list or some such. # # # # # # It is a blue, 2 door, 2.5l 4cyl. Automatic, 4WD with a decent # interior, # # # tired tires. It has a quarter million miles on it though not that much # on # # # the engine. It runs ok, needs some TLC. He would like $600 for it. # # # # # # Thanks # # # Tom Cohrs # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2529 **********************************