From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Aug 31 22:51:08 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, September 1 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2530 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale I want what's left of that Allis Chalmers Model G in the background of the first two pics!!!!! ;) Jim > here's pictures: > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/86xj/ALL.html - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:34:28 -0500 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale Actually that appears to be a David Bradley walk-behind tractor. Late 50s model. Allen> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:03:39 -0700> From: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> > I want what's left of that Allis Chalmers Model G in> the background of the first two pics!!!!!> > ;)> > Jim> > > > here's pictures: > > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/86xj/ALL.html> > > -- > Jim Hoffman> Oconomowoc WI> '39 Allis Model B> '53 Ford Golden Jubilee> '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale Yup, I think you're right. The part hidden behind the Jeep looked to have front wheels but after closer inspection those are something else. Tin didn't look quite right for a G either but the color was close ;) Jim - --- Allen Zylstra wrote: > Actually that appears to be a David Bradley > walk-behind tractor. Late 50s > model. > > Allen> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:03:39 -0700> From: > jslash-at-sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: > 1986 Jeep Cherokee for > sale > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> > I want what's > left of that Allis Chalmers > Model G in> the background of the first two > pics!!!!!> > ;)> > Jim> > > > > here's pictures: > > > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/86xj/ALL.html> > > -- > Jim > Hoffman> Oconomowoc WI> '39 Allis Model B> '53 Ford > Golden Jubilee> '?? Bolens > Huskie Gardener > _________________________________________________________________ > News, entertainment and everything you care about at > Live.com. Get it now! > http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx > - -- Jim Hoffman Oconomowoc WI '39 Allis Model B '53 Ford Golden Jubilee '?? Bolens Huskie Gardener ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale you guys are amazing... :) I figured it was a walk behind tractor, didn't have a clue who made it, although it does look like a Wheel Horse color scheme... :) my neighbor has a '52 Massey Diesel... I think it's a '52... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote: # Actually that appears to be a David Bradley walk-behind tractor. Late 50s # model. # # Allen> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:03:39 -0700> From: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net> # Subject: Re: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for # sale > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> > I want what's left of that Allis Chalmers # Model G in> the background of the first two pics!!!!!> > ;)> > Jim> > > # > here's pictures: > > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/86xj/ALL.html> > > -- > Jim # Hoffman> Oconomowoc WI> '39 Allis Model B> '53 Ford Golden Jubilee> '?? Bolens # Huskie Gardener # _________________________________________________________________ # News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! # http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:03:20 -0500 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale I just sold my 56 DB in the spring and pick up a Cub 1250 hydro on tuesday. That DB looks pretty good. Hard to find with a straight hood and attachments. Allen> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:24:52 -0700> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: allenzylstra-at-hotmail.com> CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> Subject: RE: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for sale> > you guys are amazing... :)> > I figured it was a walk behind tractor, didn't have a clue who> made it, although it does look like a Wheel Horse color scheme... :)> > my neighbor has a '52 Massey Diesel... I think it's a '52...> > john> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Allen Zylstra wrote:> > # Actually that appears to be a David Bradley walk-behind tractor. Late 50s> # model.> # > # Allen> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:03:39 -0700> From: jslash-at-sbcglobal.net>> # Subject: Re: [db] Spokane/Seattle area (OT) RE: xj: 1986 Jeep Cherokee for> # sale > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net> > I want what's left of that Allis Chalmers> # Model G in> the background of the first two pics!!!!!> > ;)> > Jim> > >> # > here's pictures: > > http://wagoneers.com/tmp/86xj/ALL.html> > > -- > Jim> # Hoffman> Oconomowoc WI> '39 Allis Model B> '53 Ford Golden Jubilee> '?? Bolens> # Huskie Gardener> # _________________________________________________________________> # News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now!> # http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx> # _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:42:59 -0400 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? Hello John, I may have. It's minor issue and I haven't got back to fixing it. Do you know how to get them? Is it simply using a test light? Marc Z. john wrote: > did you check the plugs? > > john > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Marc Z wrote: > > # Hello Everyone, > # > # I have the same problem where the light stays on too long. It > # actually never turns off until the car starts. > # > # Anyway, I replaced the relay and that didn't fix it. > # > # Marc Z. > # > # Kevin wrote: > # > If the light is staying on, it's probably the relay. Could try a whack if > # > you suspect the relay is sticking. > # > > # > There's two types of glow system, parallel and series. It's obvious which > # > one you have by looking at the plugs. The relay should be in the engine > # > compartment along the firewall, though I think there is some sort of controller > # > under the dash on the parallel style ones. Can't remember, it's been a while > # > since I've had to play with a 123. > # > > # > If the light stays on while running, though, it often means you have a bad > # > plug and need to fix that. An ohmmeter across your plugs will tell you whether > # > you have a good one or not. If it shows a dead short, it's probably fine since > # > most meters can't read .6 ohm well, and a dead short would pop the fuse. > # > Measurable resistance over five ohms or so and it's bad, an open is really > # > bad :) > # > > # > On the parallel ones, there's a plug on the firewall that goes to each plug > # > that makes diagnosis easier. > # > > # > On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > # > > # >> the yellow preheating light on SWMBO's w123 300D no longer goes off after the > # >> regulation 30 seconds or so. > # >> > # >> I suspect the relay. > # >> > # >> Can this be cured by a whack with a screwdriver handle, or does it have to be > # >> replaced ? > # >> > # >> And where does it live ? > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 19:32:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Pre-heating relay ? use an ohm meter... a test light won't work... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Marc Z wrote: # Hello John, # # I may have. It's minor issue and I haven't got back to fixing it. Do you # know how to get them? Is it simply using a test light? # # Marc Z. # # john wrote: # > did you check the plugs? # > # > john # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Marc Z wrote: # > # > # Hello Everyone, # > # # > # I have the same problem where the light stays on too long. It actually # > # never turns off until the car starts. # > # # > # Anyway, I replaced the relay and that didn't fix it. # > # # > # Marc Z. # > # # > # Kevin wrote: # > # > If the light is staying on, it's probably the relay. Could try a whack # > # > if # > # > you suspect the relay is sticking. # > # > # > # > There's two types of glow system, parallel and series. It's obvious # > # > which # > # > one you have by looking at the plugs. The relay should be in the engine # > # > compartment along the firewall, though I think there is some sort of # > # > controller # > # > under the dash on the parallel style ones. Can't remember, it's been a # > # > while # > # > since I've had to play with a 123. # > # > # > # > If the light stays on while running, though, it often means you have a # > # > bad # > # > plug and need to fix that. An ohmmeter across your plugs will tell you # > # > whether # > # > you have a good one or not. If it shows a dead short, it's probably # > # > fine since # > # > most meters can't read .6 ohm well, and a dead short would pop the # > # > fuse. Measurable resistance over five ohms or so and it's bad, an open # > # > is really bad :) # > # > # > # > On the parallel ones, there's a plug on the firewall that goes to each # > # > plug # > # > that makes diagnosis easier. # > # > # > # > On Wed, Aug 29, 2007 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # > # > # > # > > the yellow preheating light on SWMBO's w123 300D no longer goes off # > # > > after the regulation 30 seconds or so. # > # > > # > # > > I suspect the relay. # > # > > # > # > > Can this be cured by a whack with a screwdriver handle, or does it # > # > > have to be replaced ? # > # > > # > # > > And where does it live ? # > # # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 05:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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