From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Sep 6 14:48:53 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Thursday, September 6 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2535 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Unavailable for a short period... [db] Diesel dreaming... engine comparison [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison Re: [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison Re: [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison Re: [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Unavailable for a short period... I may be getting another Jeep stepside... :) still thinking Mercedes Diesel in the '89 GW... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Not a significant amount ;) # # Lets talk diesels now... I'm sure we've all heard # enough about this topic! # # ;) # # I love my new '99 Dodge RAM Cummins turbo diesel!!! # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > lose any weight with the shake? :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Jeez, you're no fun! ;) # > # # > # Don't worry, the doc kept the pics... It was # > cool # > # though... And yes, no pain. Just that terrible # > # shake I had to drink the day before to "empty # > things # > # out"... ;) # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- john wrote: # > # # > # > no pain? just pictures? # > # > please don't share... :) # > # > # > # > ----- # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Diesel dreaming... engine comparison have some specs, none for the 4bt though: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/engine-specs.html john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Any stats on the HP & Torque on the Mercedes vs the # 4BT?? For some reason I'm thinking the Cummins will # have more power... Not sure why though since the # Mercedes is 5 cyl. vs the Cummins 4 cyl. # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > I may be getting another Jeep stepside... :) # > # > still thinking Mercedes Diesel in the '89 GW... # > # > ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison Okay, From my research the 4BT is somewhere around 120hp with 300ft lbs of torque and weighs in at 700lbs. Compare that with 125hp with 170ft lbs of torque for the 3.0 Merc. Not sure on the weight but I'd guess it to be similar or a little more... From what I've read on a few discussion boards I'd definately go with the 4BT. I think it walks all over the 3.0 for the same weight. Anyone want to argue differently?? Jim - --- john wrote: > > have some specs, none for the 4bt though: > > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/engine-specs.html > > john > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # Any stats on the HP & Torque on the Mercedes vs > the > # 4BT?? For some reason I'm thinking the Cummins > will > # have more power... Not sure why though since the > # Mercedes is 5 cyl. vs the Cummins 4 cyl. > # > # Jim > # > # --- john wrote: > # > # > I may be getting another Jeep stepside... :) > # > > # > still thinking Mercedes Diesel in the '89 GW... > # > > # > ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:40:38 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison the weight of the 3.0L TD is probably only around 450lbs, give or take... probably less... a Jeep 4.2L only weighs in around 400lbs... a 6.2 probably weighs in around 600 to 650lbs... so 700lbs is HEAVY... IT WILL CREATE FRONT END PROBLEMS. That alone pushes me towards the Mercedes 5 cylinder over the 4BT. I can use the benz trans, make a custom adapter and rig up a divorced (in theory) transfer case... basically I'll have a shaft created to go into the xfr case that bolts to the plate at the back of the trans, then I'll build brackets to secure the trans to the xfr case... that'll be the hard part, making sure it doesn't twist the bracketry or crack the cases of either... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Okay, # # From my research the 4BT is somewhere around 120hp # with 300ft lbs of torque and weighs in at 700lbs. # Compare that with 125hp with 170ft lbs of torque for # the 3.0 Merc. Not sure on the weight but I'd guess it # to be similar or a little more... # # From what I've read on a few discussion boards I'd # definately go with the 4BT. I think it walks all over # the 3.0 for the same weight. # # Anyone want to argue differently?? # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > # > have some specs, none for the 4bt though: # > # > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/engine-specs.html # > # > john # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Any stats on the HP & Torque on the Mercedes vs # > the # > # 4BT?? For some reason I'm thinking the Cummins # > will # > # have more power... Not sure why though since the # > # Mercedes is 5 cyl. vs the Cummins 4 cyl. # > # # > # Jim # > # # > # --- john wrote: # > # # > # > I may be getting another Jeep stepside... :) # > # > # > # > still thinking Mercedes Diesel in the '89 GW... # > # > # > # > ----- # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison I think they have an inline pump... yes, height is an issue with the cummins, as is noise as they are DIRECT Injection models... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, briankk-at-att.net wrote: # # > On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > # Okay, # > # # > # From my research the 4BT is somewhere around 120hp # > # with 300ft lbs of torque and weighs in at 700lbs. # > # Compare that with 125hp with 170ft lbs of torque for # > # the 3.0 Merc. Not sure on the weight but I'd guess it # > # to be similar or a little more... # > # # > # From what I've read on a few discussion boards I'd # > # definately go with the 4BT. I think it walks all over # > # the 3.0 for the same weight. # > # # > # Anyone want to argue differently?? # # # I think that the issue with the 4BT will be the height of the engine, that thing is said to be 2/3s of a 6BT, should weigh in at about 650 lbs. Agree that it walks all over the 3.0 merc, but will be bigger (physically) and WAY louder. Does it have an inline or rotary fuel pump? # # bk # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:04:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Re: Diesel dreaming... engine comparison shouldn't be hard to beef up the front end of a full size jeep, love leaf springs... :) a body lift will give additional clearance... the 6.2 install on my '91 GW was made a little easier because of the 3" body lift... haven't seen how much sag I have to deal with yet... might have to add a leaf to the pack... we'll see... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, briankk-at-att.net wrote: # # # -------------- Original message ---------------------- # From: john # > # > I think they have an inline pump... # > # > yes, height is an issue with the cummins, as is # > noise as they are DIRECT Injection models... # # No pre heaters is good. Direct injection is good. Inline pump = good. It's a newer design than the Merc (1978 I think) and parts availability will never be an issue. If it were me, I'd do it, if it would fit in there. Likely need new, stiffer front springs, but that would be true either way. I'd try to find out stock spring rate and increase as a proportion of the weight increase of the engine.. # # The Cummins B6 used in the Dodge uses the PTO to run the vacuum pump and steering, you could attach a "normal" external steering and vacuum pump and use the PTO as a PTO, should be able to handle a 50hp hydraulic pump, should you have the need.. # # bk # # bk # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) fyi ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent from Express News WASHINGTON - When Gareth Groves brought home his massive new Hummer, he knew his environmentally friendly neighbors disapproved. But he didn't expect what happened next. The sport utility vehicle was parked for five days on the street before two masked men smashed the windows, slashed the tires and scratched into the body: "FOR THE ENVIRON." "The thought of somebody vandalizing it never crossed my mind," said Gareth Groves, who lives near American University in Northwest Washington. "I've kind of been in shock." Police said they see small acts of vandalism in the area from time to time, but they have not seen anything so severe, or with such a clear political message, in recent years. "This seems to be an isolated event," Cmdr. Andy Solberg said. Investigators said they are searching for the vandals but don't have many leads. Witnesses said they saw two men smash up the seven-foot-tall SUV early Monday and then run off. Now, as Groves contemplates what to do with the remains of his $38,000 Hummer, he has had to deal with a number of people who have driven by the crime scene and glared at him in smug satisfaction. "I'd say one in five people who come by have that 'you-got-what-you-deserve' look," said his friend Andy Sexton. Neighbor Lucille Liem, who owns a Prius hybrid, said that a common sentiment in the neighborhood is that large vehicles such as the Hummer are impractical and a strain on the Earth. "The neighborhood in general is very concerned with the environment," said Liem, whose Prius gets about 48 miles a gallon compared with the Hummer's 14 miles a gallon. "It's more liberal leaning. It's ridiculous to be driving a Hummer." Liem quickly added that she does not condone violence. - --- Information from: The Washington Post, http://www.washingtonpost.com The Associated Press ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2535 **********************************