From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 10 20:21:11 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, September 11 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2537 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Is the Prius really "green"? Re: [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) Re: [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) Re: [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) [db] it's raining vehicles... [db] fsj: And we have a winner... (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Is the Prius really "green"? glad you're on the mend... both you and the 240d. ;) no worries, plenty of iron to play with... guess time will tell what the life of those batteries are... have heard of problems with fires w/ them as well... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Paul Masterson wrote: # I had a mass in my bladder that was mis-diagnosed two years earlier by my # previous GP. My first cat scan looked like it was through the bladder wall, # but it turned out I had a diverticulum (sp?) in the wall, so it turned out to # be contained. I have had two surgeries, and one in office procedure over the # course of the last year and a bit of the chemo after the last surgery. I hope # to have a nice clean exam in a month or so, then another one three months # after that, then another one, and so on... # # I actually have customers with well over 100,00 miles on their Priuses # (Prius'..Prii?) so I have a problem with the life span claims. I know my data # is obviously not comprehensive, but if you can't base your opinions on your # own experience, then what can you? # # I am considering changing the front fender and painting it myself, this car # has the heart of a lion, so I think if/when I move on to another "nicer" merc # diesel, it will still be a fully funtioning car, sorry. # # I will, of course let you know if that time comes to pass. I always am happy # to give right of first refusal to a previous owner, I fully understand # "sellers remorse". # # Paul # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: "Paul Masterson" # Cc: "Diesel Benz" # Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:24 PM # Subject: Re: [db] Is the Prius really "green"? # # # >I think the concept of the hybrid is a good one... I like # > multiple functioning systems... :) regenerative braking and # > other technologies could be used in a variety of ways... there # > was an article in popular science or mechanics back in the '80s # > using a hydraulic pump with a ford v8 and having a storage # > drum in the back to hold the pressure... # > # > the estimate of 100k is not a new one Paul... the battery technology # > may be the limiting factor... time will tell what the longevity # > of the battery is... and what it costs... # > # > as this was written up in a university paper and doesn't appear # > to be refuted by the greenies/liberals on campus, could be wrong, # > prepping for a final and didn't dig deeper in that newsletter archive, # > but my point is that it was done in a scholarly journal with full # > expectation of a challenge... after writing 55 pages in a masters # > project under the close scrutiny of my committee I suspect that # > what that person wrote was pretty reliable... just an educated hunch... # > # > the theory of the hybrid is that one can use an engine at it's # > optimimum operating efficiency to produce energy, electricity or # > hydraulic pressure, from the IC and store it for use at take off... # > # > the article clearly pointed out the benefit of the electric motors # > for getting the mass moving... the problem comes in measuring # > it's efficiency, and also realistically determining what losses # > are involved in exchanging the energy from one form to another... # > # > i.e. gas to electricity to movement... # > # > is it really more efficient than a gas engine by itself??? # > # > epa ratings are not to be trusted... one must listen to the prius # > owners and hope that they understand truth, logic, and some basic # > math... and average it out over three tanks... # > # > I still think a Diesel engine is the best thing we have for efficiency... # > # > Paul, when that 240d body falls off, let me know, I may be interested # > in that engine/trans. ;) BTW, what encounter did you have with the "big # > C"? # > Hope you're ok... # > # > back to studying managerial and financial accounting... worked 69.4 hours # > between last friday and tonight... been trying to study every chance I # > get... # > (nice to take little breaks though. ;) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Paul Masterson wrote: # > # > # I have seen this acticle before, I do not doubt that the Prius battery # > is a # > # problem, and as far as I know, there is no real way to recycle them they # > are # > # just held by Toyota in storage if they go bad, but the fact that the # > writer # > # gives the Prius a life span of 100,00 and the hummer 300,00 is not # > really # > # supported by anything other that a need to make the Prius look bad. I am # > not # > # a fan of hybrids as they are, the hybrid SUVs seem pretty pointless, as # > far # > # as I can tell, but this particular arcticle does dot add to the reasoned # > # discourse on the subject. i think, as with any new technology, that # > hybrids # > # will improve, or be a gap technology. I have great faith in man's # > ability to # > # adapt, we are watching that happen. # > # # > # # > # IMHO # > # # > # As john is aware, I prefer to drive a 27 year old 240d and put in # > biodiesel, # > # no cost to produce that car! (at least in this millenium) # > # # > # Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:45:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) how is vandalism violence anyway? it's cowardice... those weasels most likely would not have faced up to the owner... don't like hummers either, but I do enjoy liberty and respect other's rights to live as they see fit, but do have a moral obligation to warn others... warning others does not include violence, vandalism, theft, intimidation or any other tactic used by those supposedly concerned about the planet. Their selfishness, arrogance and ignorance is overwhelming. Legitimate discourse with such is impossible. Their minds are blind to logic, truth and reality. They call others close-minded, but don't see the paradox in their own views. What angers me is the ignorance about Diesels... among a variety of other topics. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # > Liem quickly added that she does not condone # > violence. # > # # Yeah, sure she doesn't... But she probably wouldn't # have done much to stop it either if she'd seen it... # That's just sick... And no I don't like Hummers! ;) # # Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:33:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) > Liem quickly added that she does not condone > violence. > Yeah, sure she doesn't... But she probably wouldn't have done much to stop it either if she'd seen it... That's just sick... And no I don't like Hummers! ;) Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:05:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Vandals Attack Man's Hummer, Leave Note (fwd) Amen to that John! - --- john wrote: > how is vandalism violence anyway? it's cowardice... > those > weasels most likely would not have faced up to the > owner... > > don't like hummers either, but I do enjoy liberty > and respect > other's rights to live as they see fit, but do have > a moral > obligation to warn others... warning others does not > include > violence, vandalism, theft, intimidation or any > other tactic > used by those supposedly concerned about the planet. > Their selfishness, > arrogance and ignorance is overwhelming. Legitimate > discourse > with such is impossible. Their minds are blind to > logic, > truth and reality. They call others close-minded, > but don't > see the paradox in their own views. What angers me > is the > ignorance about Diesels... among a variety of other > topics. ;) > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # > # > Liem quickly added that she does not condone > # > violence. > # > > # > # Yeah, sure she doesn't... But she probably > wouldn't > # have done much to stop it either if she'd seen > it... > # That's just sick... And no I don't like Hummers! > ;) > # > # Jim > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:31:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] it's raining vehicles... in the last week I've been tempted by or offered two j10s, a handful of Grand Wagoneers and more than a few Cherokees... :) hello, I'm john, I'm a jeep-a-holic. :) seriously, there is a very likely possibility of a couple of j10s following me home, and I'm still thinking about that '99 xj limited with that beautiful tan leather interior and factory sunroof... of course no word from the black hole on omega or superdawg... it would really help if I knew with certainty that the 6.2 would work in the '91 Grand Wagoneer... my son is junking his '83 GMC Jimmy (my old rig)... he lost the rad last summer and know the heads are cracked... he's bailing and looking for another XJ or FSJ down in Tucson... has about $2k to spend. I still need to fix and sell the '89 GW... when and if I ever get a daily driver jeep I may part with shadowfax, in the mean time he's safe... enjoying his extreme reliability and economy... fun times... well, I'm off to school... presentation and final exam... not excited about this at all... got to make to Saturday afternoon... 24 hrs of pure hades starting in 37 minutes... later, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] fsj: And we have a winner... (fwd) thanx... he won. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Shimniok ...Troubled Child wins new tires thanks in no small part to you guys!!! Thanks VERY much for all the votes and support!!! YIPPEE!!! This is so awesome! Very happy! Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you!!! http://blog.cardomain.com/blog/2007/09/face-off-grand-.html Michael ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2537 **********************************