From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Oct 3 07:34:56 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, October 3 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2549 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] new vehicles [db] alternators Fwd: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Fwd: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] new vehicles my neighbor just picked up a new car... got me looking at the web and found this comparison: http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/comparison/summary.aspx?vehicle=Tucson&trimid=20252|20397|20039&year=2007 ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 22:21:37 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] alternators does anyone know if the alternator used on the '91 300D 2.5L TD is the same as other 124s? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 9:53:00 -0400 From: Subject: Fwd: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... - -----Original Message----- From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 9:51 am Size: 4K To: "Alec Cordova" Yes, get a 126! I have one and LOVE it! I have an '87 300SDL that is eveything I ever wanted in a car. 126s rule! I must say though, the only car that would make me reconsider it would be a 116 because they are so pretty. I don't expect they would be quite as fun to drive though, at least from a handling and performance standpoint. I LOVE classic big-body diesel Benzes! Jason - -----Original Message----- From: "Alec Cordova" Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:37 pm Size: 4K To: "diesel-benz list" At least my affliction isn't as bad as John's, but it is acting up again. I'm itching to move on from my 89 300CE with 227K miles. She's starting to ask for big chunks of money more often. I really want to try the smart when it goes on sale this spring, but my first chance to actually touch the thing, let alone drive it, isn't coming around till late next month, and I expect that their road tour marketing program will keep very tight reins on the driving style and surface conditions of the test drive. If the smart isn't when I get to try it, I'm going back to the black, baby. Probably an 83 W126 OM617 300SD. In that teal exterior if it was available that year, although I think that wasn't introduced until 86. That I overpaid for by finding a previous owner that got ALL the repair work done. I haven't had an S Class, and I miss the sound of that engine. Anybody else notice that those Sprinter Vans, which they snuck in to the US as Freightliners for one model year before they slapped a Dodge grill on their noses, definitely sound closely related to an OM616/7? I catch myself in parking lots recognizing the Benz diesel sound and happily turning to view the source, and a couple of times it has been a Sprinter van. It'll be tough to pass up on a W124 diesel like John's, but I want to try an S class. I've thought about a 79 or 80 W116 300SD. Now there's a truly beautiful Old School car, but I'm afraid the W123/W126 era is about as primitive as I want to go. Semi-trailing arm rear suspension instead of the W116's swing arms, but those swing arms are suspending some magnificent chrome and metal work, aren't they? Ah well. Decisions, decisions. Happy Benzing, Alec "Doing His Part to Spark, err, Ignite More Klatter Chatter" Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 227K, and needs a new exhaust to pass emissions inspection this month > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:40 PM > To: full size jeep list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz list; > xj-list > Subject: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... > > > waiting is not good for me... it allows too much time for thinking... > > I keep going back and forth... xj or sj. have three viable > and nice sj's, but no xj right now... hmmm... that should tell > me something shouldn't it? ;) > > and no money... hmmm... that makes it harder to get another xj > doesn't it? > > Looking for that one vehicle that is 4wd, has a sunroof, > automatic, a/c and is a Diesel... that pretty well narrows > the field down to the '91 Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L, if > it will ever be ready... or worked on... not much left to > do, just ain't getting done, no idea why... no word... > > > let's see... a 124 is the narrowest (that's shadowfax), and > an XJ is about 5 inches narrower than an SJ... that's not a lot > really... funny that a WJ is less than 2" wider than an XJ, yet > it feels like it has so much more room inside and feels bigger... > > width: > Mdl - WB - length - Width > ============================ > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 - 26-30 mpg (2.5) > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 - 16-18 mpg (4.0) > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 - 13-16 mpg (4.7) > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 - 8-12 mpg (360) > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 - 14-16 mpg (258) > > It's funny that my 124 is longer than a Grand Wagoneer! > Even more interesting that the WJ is shorter than the GW > as well... doesn't feel that way... > > WB > Mdl - WB - length - Width > ============================ > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 > > Other options include converting a 124 to 4wd (or AWD), putting > a Mercedes Diesel into an XJ or just waiting, and waiting, and > waiting... is it May 2007 yet? has it been a month? :) > > > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 9:54:00 -0400 From: Subject: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... By the way, there is a GORGEOUS 84 300SD on ebay in my area right now! Look it up! J - -----Original Message----- From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 9:51 am Size: 4K To: "Alec Cordova" Yes, get a 126! I have one and LOVE it! I have an '87 300SDL that is eveything I ever wanted in a car. 126s rule! I must say though, the only car that would make me reconsider it would be a 116 because they are so pretty. I don't expect they would be quite as fun to drive though, at least from a handling and performance standpoint. I LOVE classic big-body diesel Benzes! Jason - -----Original Message----- From: "Alec Cordova" Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:37 pm Size: 4K To: "diesel-benz list" At least my affliction isn't as bad as John's, but it is acting up again. I'm itching to move on from my 89 300CE with 227K miles. She's starting to ask for big chunks of money more often. I really want to try the smart when it goes on sale this spring, but my first chance to actually touch the thing, let alone drive it, isn't coming around till late next month, and I expect that their road tour marketing program will keep very tight reins on the driving style and surface conditions of the test drive. If the smart isn't when I get to try it, I'm going back to the black, baby. Probably an 83 W126 OM617 300SD. In that teal exterior if it was available that year, although I think that wasn't introduced until 86. That I overpaid for by finding a previous owner that got ALL the repair work done. I haven't had an S Class, and I miss the sound of that engine. Anybody else notice that those Sprinter Vans, which they snuck in to the US as Freightliners for one model year before they slapped a Dodge grill on their noses, definitely sound closely related to an OM616/7? I catch myself in parking lots recognizing the Benz diesel sound and happily turning to view the source, and a couple of times it has been a Sprinter van. It'll be tough to pass up on a W124 diesel like John's, but I want to try an S class. I've thought about a 79 or 80 W116 300SD. Now there's a truly beautiful Old School car, but I'm afraid the W123/W126 era is about as primitive as I want to go. Semi-trailing arm rear suspension instead of the W116's swing arms, but those swing arms are suspending some magnificent chrome and metal work, aren't they? Ah well. Decisions, decisions. Happy Benzing, Alec "Doing His Part to Spark, err, Ignite More Klatter Chatter" Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 227K, and needs a new exhaust to pass emissions inspection this month > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:40 PM > To: full size jeep list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; diesel-benz list; > xj-list > Subject: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... > > > waiting is not good for me... it allows too much time for thinking... > > I keep going back and forth... xj or sj. have three viable > and nice sj's, but no xj right now... hmmm... that should tell > me something shouldn't it? ;) > > and no money... hmmm... that makes it harder to get another xj > doesn't it? > > Looking for that one vehicle that is 4wd, has a sunroof, > automatic, a/c and is a Diesel... that pretty well narrows > the field down to the '91 Grand Wagoneer with the 6.2L, if > it will ever be ready... or worked on... not much left to > do, just ain't getting done, no idea why... no word... > > > let's see... a 124 is the narrowest (that's shadowfax), and > an XJ is about 5 inches narrower than an SJ... that's not a lot > really... funny that a WJ is less than 2" wider than an XJ, yet > it feels like it has so much more room inside and feels bigger... > > width: > Mdl - WB - length - Width > ============================ > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 - 26-30 mpg (2.5) > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 - 16-18 mpg (4.0) > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 - 13-16 mpg (4.7) > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 - 8-12 mpg (360) > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 - 14-16 mpg (258) > > It's funny that my 124 is longer than a Grand Wagoneer! > Even more interesting that the WJ is shorter than the GW > as well... doesn't feel that way... > > WB > Mdl - WB - length - Width > ============================ > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 > > Other options include converting a 124 to 4wd (or AWD), putting > a Mercedes Diesel into an XJ or just waiting, and waiting, and > waiting... is it May 2007 yet? has it been a month? :) > > > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:15:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... How close are you to that machine Jason? Could you check it out for any of us? Of course the danger in that is that you'll buy ANOTHER Benz... No! Wait! This one looks too nice for you! ;) Jim - --- jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > By the way, there is a GORGEOUS 84 300SD on ebay in > my area right now! Look it up! > > J > -----Original Message----- > > From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the > question... > Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 9:51 am > Size: 4K > To: "Alec Cordova" > > Yes, get a 126! I have one and LOVE it! I have an > '87 300SDL that is eveything I ever wanted in a car. > 126s rule! > > I must say though, the only car that would make me > reconsider it would be a 116 because they are so > pretty. I don't expect they would be quite as fun to > drive though, at least from a handling and > performance standpoint. > > I LOVE classic big-body diesel Benzes! > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Alec Cordova" > Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the > question... > Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:37 pm > Size: 4K > To: "diesel-benz list" > > At least my affliction isn't as bad as John's, but > it is acting up again. > > I'm itching to move on from my 89 300CE with 227K > miles. She's starting to > ask for big chunks of money more often. > I really want to try the smart when it goes on sale > this spring, but my > first chance to actually touch the thing, let alone > drive it, isn't coming > around till late next month, and I expect that their > road tour marketing > program will keep very tight reins on the driving > style and surface > conditions of the test drive. > > If the smart isn't when I get to try it, I'm going > back to the black, baby. > Probably an 83 W126 OM617 300SD. In that teal > exterior if it was available > that year, although I think that wasn't introduced > until 86. That I overpaid > for by finding a previous owner that got ALL the > repair work done. I haven't > had an S Class, and I miss the sound of that engine. > Anybody else notice > that those Sprinter Vans, which they snuck in to the > US as Freightliners for > one model year before they slapped a Dodge grill on > their noses, definitely > sound closely related to an OM616/7? I catch myself > in parking lots > recognizing the Benz diesel sound and happily > turning to view the source, > and a couple of times it has been a Sprinter van. > > It'll be tough to pass up on a W124 diesel like > John's, but I want to try an > S class. I've thought about a 79 or 80 W116 300SD. > Now there's a truly > beautiful Old School car, but I'm afraid the > W123/W126 era is about as > primitive as I want to go. Semi-trailing arm rear > suspension instead of the > W116's swing arms, but those swing arms are > suspending some magnificent > chrome and metal work, aren't they? > > Ah well. Decisions, decisions. > > Happy Benzing, > Alec "Doing His Part to Spark, err, Ignite More > Klatter Chatter" Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 227K, and needs a new exhaust to pass > emissions inspection this > month > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > john > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:40 PM > > To: full size jeep list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; > diesel-benz list; > > xj-list > > Subject: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the > question... > > > > > > waiting is not good for me... it allows too much > time for thinking... > > > > I keep going back and forth... xj or sj. have > three viable > > and nice sj's, but no xj right now... hmmm... that > should tell > > me something shouldn't it? ;) > > > > and no money... hmmm... that makes it harder to > get another xj > > doesn't it? > > > > Looking for that one vehicle that is 4wd, has a > sunroof, > > automatic, a/c and is a Diesel... that pretty well > narrows > > the field down to the '91 Grand Wagoneer with the > 6.2L, if > > it will ever be ready... or worked on... not much > left to > > do, just ain't getting done, no idea why... no > word... > > > > > > let's see... a 124 is the narrowest (that's > shadowfax), and > > an XJ is about 5 inches narrower than an SJ... > that's not a lot > > really... funny that a WJ is less than 2" wider > than an XJ, yet > > it feels like it has so much more room inside and > feels bigger... > > > > width: > > Mdl - WB - length - Width > > ============================ > > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 - 26-30 mpg (2.5) > > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 - 16-18 mpg (4.0) > > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 - 13-16 mpg (4.7) > > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 - 8-12 mpg (360) > > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 - 14-16 mpg (258) > > > > It's funny that my 124 is longer than a Grand > Wagoneer! > > Even more interesting that the WJ is shorter than > the GW > > as well... doesn't feel that way... > > > > WB > > Mdl - WB - length - Width > > ============================ > > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 > > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 > > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 > > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 > > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 > > > > Other options include converting a 124 to 4wd (or > AWD), putting > > a Mercedes Diesel into an XJ or just waiting, and > waiting, and > > waiting... is it May 2007 yet? has it been a > month? :) > > > > > > > > ----- > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:26:00 -0400 From: Subject: Fwd: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... - -----Original Message----- From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 10:25 am Size: 5K To: Jim Hoffman I'll have to check....I have my tickler set to go up to 500 miles away, so I'll see. And it's not too nice....you haven't seen my 300SDL! Jason - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hoffman Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the question... Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 10:15 am Size: 5K To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com; Diesel-benz-at-digest.net How close are you to that machine Jason? Could you check it out for any of us? Of course the danger in that is that you'll buy ANOTHER Benz... No! Wait! This one looks too nice for you! ;) Jim - --- jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > By the way, there is a GORGEOUS 84 300SD on ebay in > my area right now! Look it up! > > J > -----Original Message----- > > From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com > Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the > question... > Date: Wed Oct 3, 2007 9:51 am > Size: 4K > To: "Alec Cordova" > > Yes, get a 126! I have one and LOVE it! I have an > '87 300SDL that is eveything I ever wanted in a car. > 126s rule! > > I must say though, the only car that would make me > reconsider it would be a 116 because they are so > pretty. I don't expect they would be quite as fun to > drive though, at least from a handling and > performance standpoint. > > I LOVE classic big-body diesel Benzes! > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Alec Cordova" > Subj: RE: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the > question... > Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:37 pm > Size: 4K > To: "diesel-benz list" > > At least my affliction isn't as bad as John's, but > it is acting up again. > > I'm itching to move on from my 89 300CE with 227K > miles. She's starting to > ask for big chunks of money more often. > I really want to try the smart when it goes on sale > this spring, but my > first chance to actually touch the thing, let alone > drive it, isn't coming > around till late next month, and I expect that their > road tour marketing > program will keep very tight reins on the driving > style and surface > conditions of the test drive. > > If the smart isn't when I get to try it, I'm going > back to the black, baby. > Probably an 83 W126 OM617 300SD. In that teal > exterior if it was available > that year, although I think that wasn't introduced > until 86. That I overpaid > for by finding a previous owner that got ALL the > repair work done. I haven't > had an S Class, and I miss the sound of that engine. > Anybody else notice > that those Sprinter Vans, which they snuck in to the > US as Freightliners for > one model year before they slapped a Dodge grill on > their noses, definitely > sound closely related to an OM616/7? I catch myself > in parking lots > recognizing the Benz diesel sound and happily > turning to view the source, > and a couple of times it has been a Sprinter van. > > It'll be tough to pass up on a W124 diesel like > John's, but I want to try an > S class. I've thought about a 79 or 80 W116 300SD. > Now there's a truly > beautiful Old School car, but I'm afraid the > W123/W126 era is about as > primitive as I want to go. Semi-trailing arm rear > suspension instead of the > W116's swing arms, but those swing arms are > suspending some magnificent > chrome and metal work, aren't they? > > Ah well. Decisions, decisions. > > Happy Benzing, > Alec "Doing His Part to Spark, err, Ignite More > Klatter Chatter" Cordova > Taylor, Texas > 89 300CE, 227K, and needs a new exhaust to pass > emissions inspection this > month > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > john > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:40 PM > > To: full size jeep list; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; > diesel-benz list; > > xj-list > > Subject: [db] 124, wj, xj or sj, that is the > question... > > > > > > waiting is not good for me... it allows too much > time for thinking... > > > > I keep going back and forth... xj or sj. have > three viable > > and nice sj's, but no xj right now... hmmm... that > should tell > > me something shouldn't it? ;) > > > > and no money... hmmm... that makes it harder to > get another xj > > doesn't it? > > > > Looking for that one vehicle that is 4wd, has a > sunroof, > > automatic, a/c and is a Diesel... that pretty well > narrows > > the field down to the '91 Grand Wagoneer with the > 6.2L, if > > it will ever be ready... or worked on... not much > left to > > do, just ain't getting done, no idea why... no > word... > > > > > > let's see... a 124 is the narrowest (that's > shadowfax), and > > an XJ is about 5 inches narrower than an SJ... > that's not a lot > > really... funny that a WJ is less than 2" wider > than an XJ, yet > > it feels like it has so much more room inside and > feels bigger... > > > > width: > > Mdl - WB - length - Width > > ============================ > > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 - 26-30 mpg (2.5) > > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 - 16-18 mpg (4.0) > > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 - 13-16 mpg (4.7) > > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 - 8-12 mpg (360) > > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 - 14-16 mpg (258) > > > > It's funny that my 124 is longer than a Grand > Wagoneer! > > Even more interesting that the WJ is shorter than > the GW > > as well... doesn't feel that way... > > > > WB > > Mdl - WB - length - Width > > ============================ > > XJ 101.4 165.3 70.5 > > WJ 105.9 181.5 72.3 > > SJ 108.7 186.5 75.6 > > 124 110.0 186.6 68.5 > > J10 118.8 194.0 78.9 > > > > Other options include converting a 124 to 4wd (or > AWD), putting > > a Mercedes Diesel into an XJ or just waiting, and > waiting, and > > waiting... is it May 2007 yet? has it been a > month? :) > > > > > > > > ----- > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2549 **********************************