From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Oct 5 10:42:40 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, October 5 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2551 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Oh boy..... Re: [db] Oh boy..... Re: [db] Oh boy..... [db] In case John needs a new project Re: [db] In case John needs a new project [db] Lost Power Re: [db] Lost Power Re: [db] Lost Power Re: [db] Oh boy..... [db] back to the technical center please... let's be nice... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 20:03:00 -0400 From: Subject: [db] Oh boy..... Speak of 300SDL, I had been noticing a diesel smell and reduction in fuel economy. I thought it was the return lines, which did look to be leaking. I replaced those. Unfortunately, that is only a minor piece of the puzzle. It turns out that the top end of the IP is leaking. Stupid Ultra-Lousy Sulfurless Diesel! So....how hard are those seals to replace? There doesn't look to be too much in the way, but I'm wondering what nightmares lurk under those innocent-looking retainer plates? I wish the enviro-stupids would stop messing up my diesels! jAsUN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 17:26:12 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: [db] Oh boy..... yeah, much better the US should continue using some of the worlds dirtiest diesel fuel, to make it more convenient for you,... ;-* is this on one of your low-budget special vehicles? how many miles does *this* one have on it? no chance that this might not just be the sort of problem you might reasonably expect on a 20-plus year-old vehicle? i haven't tried to keep up with your fleet, but if this isn't one of the clapped-out vehicles of questionable origin that you seem to be so attracted to, and you have good reason to suspect the ULSD fuel has something to do with it, have you considered using (at least a mixture of) BioDiesel? the "enviro-stupids" don't seem to be having the problem you're talking about,... cheers! e jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Speak of 300SDL, I had been noticing a diesel smell and reduction in fuel economy. I thought it was the return lines, which did look to be leaking. I replaced those. > > Unfortunately, that is only a minor piece of the puzzle. It turns out that the top end of the IP is leaking. Stupid Ultra-Lousy Sulfurless Diesel! > > So....how hard are those seals to replace? There doesn't look to be too much in the way, but I'm wondering what nightmares lurk under those innocent-looking retainer plates? > > I wish the enviro-stupids would stop messing up my diesels! > > jAsUN ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:09:00 -0400 From: Subject: Re: [db] Oh boy..... Not to start a flame war, but I don't give a rat's rear end about how "dirty" any fuel is if it does its job well. I've been to some Asian countries with no concern for emissions whatsoever, and I could tell, but I didn't care. It doesn't bother me to have "dirty" air. It's all nonsense. Some study supposedly showed that secondhand smoke was 20 times as dangerous as "a city street choked with diesel trucks." And secondhand smoke doesn't worry me all that much either. So whatever. If I could legally run the old high-sulfur diesel these cars were made for, I'd do it without a second thought. And if you actually read some of the propaganda...er, literature, that the ULSD people put out, they admit that it does cause leaks on some vehicles. Chevron's "A Cleaner Diesel" brochure says it explicitly. It is a known, acknowledged problem with ULSD, and no amount of envirobabble is going to make me choose to use a lower quality product that is bad for my car. If I ever think of a way (discover /invent/find an additive) that turns ULSD into old-style HSD, it's going in. And no, this is the one nice vehicle I own. I splurged and got a well-kept, low-mileage specimen (bought it at 137k, now at 141k) that is very solid and very attractive. It was a birthday present of sorts for my wife. I DO know a nice car when I see one, I just don't care all that much that what I drive is pretty. Just safe and reliable. Gimme a break. - -----Original Message----- From: ernest breakfield Subj: Re: [db] Oh boy..... Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:26 pm Size: 1K To: diesel-benz list yeah, much better the US should continue using some of the worlds dirtiest diesel fuel, to make it more convenient for you,... ;-* is this on one of your low-budget special vehicles? how many miles does *this* one have on it? no chance that this might not just be the sort of problem you might reasonably expect on a 20-plus year-old vehicle? i haven't tried to keep up with your fleet, but if this isn't one of the clapped-out vehicles of questionable origin that you seem to be so attracted to, and you have good reason to suspect the ULSD fuel has something to do with it, have you considered using (at least a mixture of) BioDiesel? the "enviro-stupids" don't seem to be having the problem you're talking about,... cheers! e jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Speak of 300SDL, I had been noticing a diesel smell and reduction in fuel economy. I thought it was the return lines, which did look to be leaking. I replaced those. > > Unfortunately, that is only a minor piece of the puzzle. It turns out that the top end of the IP is leaking. Stupid Ultra-Lousy Sulfurless Diesel! > > So....how hard are those seals to replace? There doesn't look to be too much in the way, but I'm wondering what nightmares lurk under those innocent-looking retainer plates? > > I wish the enviro-stupids would stop messing up my diesels! > > jAsUN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:01:13 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] In case John needs a new project http://tinyurl.com/yr3y7q ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] In case John needs a new project Mike Frank wrote: > > http://tinyurl.com/yr3y7q > *** That's not a project, it's a divorce-in-a-box! - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:25:59 -0700 From: "Paul Kershner" Subject: [db] Lost Power Last night, while driving my 1991 300D, the ABS light came on, the radio quit, the SRS light came on and it seemed the headlights were dim. A few moments later, the dome light came on, the "buckle seat belt" lights at the dome light came on, my alarm LED came on and the lights grew dimmer. It seems the control circuits for all my car functions were losing control voltage. By the time I arrived in Monroe (about 10 miles later), the headlights were all but visible. Parking it, it seemed to run very rough. I could not engage the starter. Since the battery is fairly new, I would assume the alternator has gone to the land of dead electronics. Its either that, or the voltage regulator has gone out and its most likely an integrated alternator-regulator on these cars. Anyone agree-disagree? - -Paul 1991 MB 300D 1991 Grand Wagoneer 2000 Volvo V70 2005 Kaw 1600 Vulcan Classic And soon to arrive from the dealer, the 2007 Acura MDX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 06:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Lost Power Paul Kershner wrote: > > > Since the battery is fairly new, I would assume the alternator has gone to > the land of dead electronics. Its either that, or the voltage regulator has > gone out and its most likely an integrated alternator-regulator on these > cars. > *** Sounds like. These alternators have an integrated regulator/brush assembly. Two screws, back of the case. Pop out, pop in. All the wear parts ( except bearings ). 25 bucks or so plus shipping on the Internet. But be careful - it's easy to put it in wonky and bust it, especially if you're doing it under the car without removing the alternator. Oh, and make sure you disconnect the battery first! Also, there's always the possiblity of shorted or open windings and/or popped rectifier diodes. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Lost Power my alternator just went bad, didn't cause that kind of excitwment... the battery wasn't getting fully charged so it wouldn,t start every other saturday... this sounds like it might be your main power relay, it's over by the battery I have one that should be good. but if your alternor is bad Aurora Auto Wrecking might have one, just got mine yesterdy. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Paul Kershner wrote: # Last night, while driving my 1991 300D, the ABS light came on, the radio # quit, the SRS light came on and it seemed the headlights were dim. A few # moments later, the dome light came on, the "buckle seat belt" lights at the # dome light came on, my alarm LED came on and the lights grew dimmer. # # # # It seems the control circuits for all my car functions were losing control # voltage. By the time I arrived in Monroe (about 10 miles later), the # headlights were all but visible. Parking it, it seemed to run very rough. # I could not engage the starter. # # # # Since the battery is fairly new, I would assume the alternator has gone to # the land of dead electronics. Its either that, or the voltage regulator has # gone out and its most likely an integrated alternator-regulator on these # cars. # # # # Anyone agree-disagree? # # # # -Paul # # 1991 MB 300D # # 1991 Grand Wagoneer # # 2000 Volvo V70 # # 2005 Kaw 1600 Vulcan Classic # # And soon to arrive from the dealer, the 2007 Acura MDX # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:41:48 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: [db] Oh boy..... OK, you care less about your own health (and that of anyone else, including your wife) than that of your vehicle... got that. so, let's not even try to make any advances that might actually improve our own environments because there are also other bad things out there, and/or because it might mess up Jasons old-tech vehicle,...? i'll give you the break you ask for; i'll ignore most of the rest of your post. i could drive a truck (high-sulfur diesel, if you prefer) through most of the holes in that one, and it doesn't merit a flame war. let's see if we can keep you focused on one point: i don't see where you even acknowledge the suggestion of trying BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the multitude of other possible benefits it might have and try to not get started on another rant about its offending your self-centered anti-enviro (non)sensibilities; but is there any good reason you haven't considered at least mixing in a bit of it based solely on the fact that it's supposed to be better at conditioning some of the rubber parts in the injection pumps? with any and all due regards, e jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Not to start a flame war, but I don't give a rat's rear end about how "dirty" any fuel is if it does its job well. I've been to some Asian countries with no concern for emissions whatsoever, and I could tell, but I didn't care. It doesn't bother me to have "dirty" air. It's all nonsense. Some study supposedly showed that secondhand smoke was 20 times as dangerous as "a city street choked with diesel trucks." And secondhand smoke doesn't worry me all that much either. So whatever. If I could legally run the old high-sulfur diesel these cars were made for, I'd do it without a second thought. And if you actually read some of the propaganda...er, literature, that the ULSD people put out, they admit that it does cause leaks on some vehicles. Chevron's "A Cleaner Diesel" brochure says it explicitly. It is a known, acknowledged problem with ULSD, and no amount of envirobabble is going to make me choose to use a lower quality product that is bad for my car. If I ever think of a way (discover > /invent/find an additive) that turns ULSD into old-style HSD, it's going in. > > And no, this is the one nice vehicle I own. I splurged and got a well-kept, low-mileage specimen (bought it at 137k, now at 141k) that is very solid and very attractive. It was a birthday present of sorts for my wife. I DO know a nice car when I see one, I just don't care all that much that what I drive is pretty. Just safe and reliable. > > Gimme a break. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ernest breakfield > Subj: Re: [db] Oh boy..... > Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:26 pm > Size: 1K > To: diesel-benz list > > yeah, much better the US should continue using some of the worlds > dirtiest diesel fuel, to make it more convenient for you,... ;-* > > is this on one of your low-budget special vehicles? how many miles > does *this* one have on it? no chance that this might not just be the > sort of problem you might reasonably expect on a 20-plus year-old vehicle? > i haven't tried to keep up with your fleet, but if this isn't one of > the clapped-out vehicles of questionable origin that you seem to be so > attracted to, and you have good reason to suspect the ULSD fuel has > something to do with it, have you considered using (at least a mixture > of) BioDiesel? the "enviro-stupids" don't seem to be having the problem > you're talking about,... > > > cheers! > e > > > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > >> Speak of 300SDL, I had been noticing a diesel smell and reduction in fuel economy. I thought it was the return lines, which did look to be leaking. I replaced those. >> >> Unfortunately, that is only a minor piece of the puzzle. It turns out that the top end of the IP is leaking. Stupid Ultra-Lousy Sulfurless Diesel! >> >> So....how hard are those seals to replace? There doesn't look to be too much in the way, but I'm wondering what nightmares lurk under those innocent-looking retainer plates? >> >> I wish the enviro-stupids would stop messing up my diesels! >> >> jAsUN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:41:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] back to the technical center please... let's be nice... ok kids, let's be nice... we should all be concerned about our environment and doing the correct thing. but we have to recognize that there are two dictomous world views involved with this issue, both sides have plenty to say... and more than a few ideas on what to do... right or wrong (from our own perspectives and backgrounds).... but it's not going to do us, as Diesel Benz owners, any good to vent our spleens here, especially at each other... let's just realize that we may not be able to agree on this or many other issues, so let's focus on the technical problems here... while derick is officially the list mom, I still have the power to un-sub, as does the server owner richard welty... we won't let this get ugly, the list has been a nice place for over 10 years now, we're not going to let it slide into ugliness... I know both of you and know you're both nice guys, so let's just drop the philosophical issue on this topic and focus on the technical solution. :) (besides, I'm not convinced either that the fuel caused the leak, age is a factor as well, been through this with my '91 and older models...) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: # OK, you care less about your own health (and that of anyone else, # including your wife) than that of your vehicle... got that. so, let's # not even try to make any advances that might actually improve our own # environments because there are also other bad things out there, and/or # because it might mess up Jasons old-tech vehicle,...? # i'll give you the break you ask for; i'll ignore most of the rest of # your post. i could drive a truck (high-sulfur diesel, if you prefer) # through most of the holes in that one, and it doesn't merit a flame war. # # let's see if we can keep you focused on one point: # i don't see where you even acknowledge the suggestion of trying # BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the multitude of other possible # benefits it might have and try to not get started on another rant about # its offending your self-centered anti-enviro (non)sensibilities; but is # there any good reason you haven't considered at least mixing in a bit of # it based solely on the fact that it's supposed to be better at # conditioning some of the rubber parts in the injection pumps? # # # with any and all due regards, # e # # # jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > Not to start a flame war, but I don't give a rat's rear end about how # "dirty" any fuel is if it does its job well. I've been to some Asian countries # with no concern for emissions whatsoever, and I could tell, but I didn't care. # It doesn't bother me to have "dirty" air. It's all nonsense. Some study # supposedly showed that secondhand smoke was 20 times as dangerous as "a city # street choked with diesel trucks." And secondhand smoke doesn't worry me all # that much either. So whatever. If I could legally run the old high-sulfur # diesel these cars were made for, I'd do it without a second thought. And if # you actually read some of the propaganda...er, literature, that the ULSD # people put out, they admit that it does cause leaks on some vehicles. # Chevron's "A Cleaner Diesel" brochure says it explicitly. It is a known, # acknowledged problem with ULSD, and no amount of envirobabble is going to make # me choose to use a lower quality product that is bad for my car. If I ever # think of a way (discover # > /invent/find an additive) that turns ULSD into old-style HSD, it's going # in. # > # > And no, this is the one nice vehicle I own. I splurged and got a well-kept, # low-mileage specimen (bought it at 137k, now at 141k) that is very solid and # very attractive. It was a birthday present of sorts for my wife. I DO know a # nice car when I see one, I just don't care all that much that what I drive is # pretty. Just safe and reliable. # > # > Gimme a break. # > # > -----Original Message----- # > # > From: ernest breakfield # > Subj: Re: [db] Oh boy..... # > Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:26 pm # > Size: 1K # > To: diesel-benz list # > # > yeah, much better the US should continue using some of the worlds # > dirtiest diesel fuel, to make it more convenient for you,... ;-* # > # > is this on one of your low-budget special vehicles? how many miles # > does *this* one have on it? no chance that this might not just be the # > sort of problem you might reasonably expect on a 20-plus year-old vehicle? # > i haven't tried to keep up with your fleet, but if this isn't one of # > the clapped-out vehicles of questionable origin that you seem to be so # > attracted to, and you have good reason to suspect the ULSD fuel has # > something to do with it, have you considered using (at least a mixture # > of) BioDiesel? the "enviro-stupids" don't seem to be having the problem # > you're talking about,... # > # > # > cheers! # > e # > # > # > jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # >> Speak of 300SDL, I had been noticing a diesel smell and reduction in fuel # economy. I thought it was the return lines, which did look to be leaking. I # replaced those. # >> # >> Unfortunately, that is only a minor piece of the puzzle. It turns out that # the top end of the IP is leaking. Stupid Ultra-Lousy Sulfurless Diesel! # >> # >> So....how hard are those seals to replace? There doesn't look to be too # much in the way, but I'm wondering what nightmares lurk under those # innocent-looking retainer plates? # >> # >> I wish the enviro-stupids would stop messing up my diesels! # >> # >> jAsUN # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2551 **********************************