From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Oct 6 10:39:23 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, October 6 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2555 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Oh boy..... Re: [db] BioDiesel, fuel taxes... [db] it's colder than a freezer there... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:24:56 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: [db] Oh boy..... hi Jim! i'm sorry, i might be missing something, but i don't understand how your climate relates to your brewing your own,...? cheers! e Jim Hoffman wrote: > That is correct. But I wanted to brew my own and > become totally self dependent ;) > > In the mean time the closest place that I can get any > bio is about 20 miles each way. Not very practical. > > Jim > > --- ernest breakfield > wrote: > > >> hi Jim! >> >> i'm not sure where you're at (and what climate >> we're talking about), >> but unless you're going a *long* way below 0*F, you >> should have no >> problems with BioD as a blend with #2. >> >> >> cheers! >> e >> >> >> Jim Hoffman wrote: >> >>> I'd really like to try biodiesel in my vehicles... >>> However, my climate precludes me from using it in >>> >> the >> >>> winter and it's just so much more than dino >>> >> diesel. >> >>> If the disparity of cost weren't so great I'd try >>> >> it >> >>> in a heart beat. >>> >>> And I agree that it's supposed to be better... >>> >> Better >> >>> for your pump (lubrication), better for the >>> environment >>> (less pollutants), etc. I'm sold! Now let's get >>> >> the >> >>> price down ;) >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> --- ernest breakfield >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> OK, you care less about your own health (and that >>>> >> of >> >>>> anyone else, >>>> including your wife) than that of your vehicle... >>>> got that. so, let's >>>> not even try to make any advances that might >>>> actually improve our own >>>> environments because there are also other bad >>>> >> things >> >>>> out there, and/or >>>> because it might mess up Jasons old-tech >>>> vehicle,...? >>>> i'll give you the break you ask for; i'll >>>> >> ignore >> >>>> most of the rest of >>>> your post. i could drive a truck (high-sulfur >>>> diesel, if you prefer) >>>> through most of the holes in that one, and it >>>> doesn't merit a flame war. >>>> >>>> let's see if we can keep you focused on one >>>> point: >>>> i don't see where you even acknowledge the >>>> suggestion of trying >>>> BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the multitude >>>> >> of >> >>>> other possible >>>> benefits it might have and try to not get started >>>> >> on >> >>>> another rant about >>>> its offending your self-centered anti-enviro >>>> (non)sensibilities; but is >>>> there any good reason you haven't considered at >>>> least mixing in a bit of >>>> it based solely on the fact that it's supposed to >>>> >> be >> >>>> better at >>>> conditioning some of the rubber parts in the >>>> injection pumps? >>>> >>>> >>>> with any and all due regards, >>>> e >>>> >>>> >>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Not to start a flame war, but I don't give a >>>>> >> rat's >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> rear end about how >>>> "dirty" any fuel is if it does its job well. I've >>>> been to some Asian countries >>>> with no concern for emissions whatsoever, and I >>>> could tell, but I didn't care. >>>> It doesn't bother me to have "dirty" air. It's >>>> >> all >> >>>> nonsense. Some study >>>> supposedly showed that secondhand smoke was 20 >>>> >> times >> >>>> as dangerous as "a city >>>> street choked with diesel trucks." And secondhand >>>> smoke doesn't worry me all >>>> that much either. So whatever. If I could legally >>>> run the old high-sulfur >>>> diesel these cars were made for, I'd do it >>>> >> without a >> >>>> second thought. And if >>>> you actually read some of the propaganda...er, >>>> literature, that the ULSD >>>> people put out, they admit that it does cause >>>> >> leaks >> >>>> on some vehicles. >>>> Chevron's "A Cleaner Diesel" brochure says it >>>> explicitly. It is a known, >>>> acknowledged problem with ULSD, and no amount of >>>> envirobabble is going to make >>>> me choose to use a lower quality product that is >>>> >> bad >> >>>> for my car. If I ever >>>> think of a way (discover >>>> >>>> >>>>> /invent/find an additive) that turns ULSD into >>>>> >>>>> >>>> old-style HSD, it's going >>>> in. >>>> >>>> >>>>> And no, this is the one nice vehicle I own. I >>>>> >>>>> >>>> splurged and got a well-kept, >>>> low-mileage specimen (bought it at 137k, now at >>>> 141k) that is very solid and >>>> very attractive. It was a birthday present of >>>> >> sorts >> >>>> for my wife. I DO know a >>>> nice car when I see one, I just don't care all >>>> >> that >> >>>> much that what I drive is >>>> pretty. Just safe and reliable. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Gimme a break. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>> From: ernest breakfield >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Subj: Re: [db] Oh boy..... >>>>> Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:26 pm >>>>> Size: 1K >>>>> To: diesel-benz list >>>>> >>>>> yeah, much better the US should continue using >>>>> >>>>> >>>> some of the worlds >>>> >>>> >>>>> dirtiest diesel fuel, to make it more convenient >>>>> >>>>> >>>> for you,... ;-* >>>> >>>> >>>>> is this on one of your low-budget special >>>>> >>>>> >>>> vehicles? how many miles >>>> >>>> >>>>> does *this* one have on it? no chance that this >>>>> >>>>> >>>> might not just be the >>>> >>>> >>>>> sort of problem you might reasonably expect on a >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 20-plus year-old vehicle? >>>> >>>> >>>>> i haven't tried to keep up with your fleet, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> but if this isn't one of >>>> >>>> >>>>> the clapped-out vehicles of questionable origin >>>>> >>>>> >>>> that you seem to be so >>>> >>>> >>>>> attracted to, and you have good reason to >>>>> >> suspect >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> the ULSD fuel has >>>> >>>> >>>>> something to do with it, have you considered >>>>> >> using >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> (at least a mixture >>>> >>>> >>>>> of) BioDiesel? the "enviro-stupids" don't seem >>>>> >> to >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> be having the problem >>>> >>>> >>>>> you're talking about,... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> cheers! >>>>> e >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >>>>> > === message truncated === ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:27:28 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: Re: [db] BioDiesel, fuel taxes... wish it were that way here; there was supposed to be a tax credit kick in a while back that was equal to $.01 for each percent of BioD in the fuel used, but i haven't seen it make any impact to the sale price of the fuel,... cheers! e john wrote: > you're right on unleaded... :) > interesting that B99 is less... the tide has shifted... > > ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:38:58 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] it's colder than a freezer there... ernest, you can't possibly, unless you've been there, imagine how cold it can get in Wisconsin... I grew up there... in January a warm day is 15 degrees above zero... they start zipping up their sweathers when the temp hits about 20 below zero... :) serious, the early part of January will always be below zero... I'm surprised Diesel even works back there at all. ;) Ya gotta love the west coast... no rust, mild temps... from the bay area to victoria BC, it's so nice... :) but shhhhh, don't let anyone know... it's our little secret... oh, trying to brew your own in those kinds of temps would require a very well heated shop/barn/garage... and then the pourpoint of biodiesel isn't as good as regular diesel, one of it's limitations... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: # hi Jim! # # i'm sorry, i might be missing something, but i don't understand how # your climate relates to your brewing your own,...? # # # cheers! # e # # # Jim Hoffman wrote: # > That is correct. But I wanted to brew my own and # > become totally self dependent ;) # > # > In the mean time the closest place that I can get any # > bio is about 20 miles each way. Not very practical. # > # > Jim # > # > --- ernest breakfield # > wrote: # > # > # >> hi Jim! # >> # >> i'm not sure where you're at (and what climate # >> we're talking about), # >> but unless you're going a *long* way below 0*F, you # >> should have no # >> problems with BioD as a blend with #2. # >> # >> # >> cheers! # >> e # >> # >> # >> Jim Hoffman wrote: # >> # >>> I'd really like to try biodiesel in my vehicles... # >>> However, my climate precludes me from using it in # >>> # >> the # >> # >>> winter and it's just so much more than dino # >>> # >> diesel. # >> # >>> If the disparity of cost weren't so great I'd try # >>> # >> it # >> # >>> in a heart beat. # >>> # >>> And I agree that it's supposed to be better... # >>> # >> Better # >> # >>> for your pump (lubrication), better for the # >>> environment # >>> (less pollutants), etc. I'm sold! Now let's get # >>> # >> the # >> # >>> price down ;) # >>> # >>> Jim # >>> # >>> --- ernest breakfield # >>> wrote: # >>> # >>> # >>> # >>>> OK, you care less about your own health (and that # >>>> # >> of # >> # >>>> anyone else, # >>>> including your wife) than that of your vehicle... # >>>> got that. so, let's # >>>> not even try to make any advances that might # >>>> actually improve our own # >>>> environments because there are also other bad # >>>> # >> things # >> # >>>> out there, and/or # >>>> because it might mess up Jasons old-tech # >>>> vehicle,...? # >>>> i'll give you the break you ask for; i'll # >>>> # >> ignore # >> # >>>> most of the rest of # >>>> your post. i could drive a truck (high-sulfur # >>>> diesel, if you prefer) # >>>> through most of the holes in that one, and it # >>>> doesn't merit a flame war. # >>>> # >>>> let's see if we can keep you focused on one # >>>> point: # >>>> i don't see where you even acknowledge the # >>>> suggestion of trying # >>>> BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the multitude # >>>> # >> of # >> # >>>> other possible # >>>> benefits it might have and try to not get started # >>>> # >> on # >> # >>>> another rant about # >>>> its offending your self-centered anti-enviro # >>>> (non)sensibilities; but is # >>>> there any good reason you haven't considered at # >>>> least mixing in a bit of # >>>> it based solely on the fact that it's supposed to # >>>> # >> be # >> # >>>> better at # >>>> conditioning some of the rubber parts in the # >>>> injection pumps? # >>>> # >>>> # >>>> with any and all due regards, # >>>> e # >>>> # >>>> # >>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> Not to start a flame war, but I don't give a # >>>>> # >> rat's # >> # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> rear end about how # >>>> "dirty" any fuel is if it does its job well. I've # >>>> been to some Asian countries # >>>> with no concern for emissions whatsoever, and I # >>>> could tell, but I didn't care. # >>>> It doesn't bother me to have "dirty" air. It's # >>>> # >> all # >> # >>>> nonsense. Some study # >>>> supposedly showed that secondhand smoke was 20 # >>>> # >> times # >> # >>>> as dangerous as "a city # >>>> street choked with diesel trucks." And secondhand # >>>> smoke doesn't worry me all # >>>> that much either. So whatever. If I could legally # >>>> run the old high-sulfur # >>>> diesel these cars were made for, I'd do it # >>>> # >> without a # >> # >>>> second thought. And if # >>>> you actually read some of the propaganda...er, # >>>> literature, that the ULSD # >>>> people put out, they admit that it does cause # >>>> # >> leaks # >> # >>>> on some vehicles. # >>>> Chevron's "A Cleaner Diesel" brochure says it # >>>> explicitly. It is a known, # >>>> acknowledged problem with ULSD, and no amount of # >>>> envirobabble is going to make # >>>> me choose to use a lower quality product that is # >>>> # >> bad # >> # >>>> for my car. If I ever # >>>> think of a way (discover # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> /invent/find an additive) that turns ULSD into # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> old-style HSD, it's going # >>>> in. # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> And no, this is the one nice vehicle I own. I # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> splurged and got a well-kept, # >>>> low-mileage specimen (bought it at 137k, now at # >>>> 141k) that is very solid and # >>>> very attractive. It was a birthday present of # >>>> # >> sorts # >> # >>>> for my wife. I DO know a # >>>> nice car when I see one, I just don't care all # >>>> # >> that # >> # >>>> much that what I drive is # >>>> pretty. Just safe and reliable. # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> Gimme a break. # >>>>> # >>>>> -----Original Message----- # >>>>> # >>>>> From: ernest breakfield # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> Subj: Re: [db] Oh boy..... # >>>>> Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:26 pm # >>>>> Size: 1K # >>>>> To: diesel-benz list # >>>>> # >>>>> yeah, much better the US should continue using # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> some of the worlds # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> dirtiest diesel fuel, to make it more convenient # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> for you,... ;-* # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> is this on one of your low-budget special # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> vehicles? how many miles # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> does *this* one have on it? no chance that this # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> might not just be the # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> sort of problem you might reasonably expect on a # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> 20-plus year-old vehicle? # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> i haven't tried to keep up with your fleet, # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> but if this isn't one of # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> the clapped-out vehicles of questionable origin # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> that you seem to be so # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> attracted to, and you have good reason to # >>>>> # >> suspect # >> # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> the ULSD fuel has # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> something to do with it, have you considered # >>>>> # >> using # >> # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> (at least a mixture # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> of) BioDiesel? the "enviro-stupids" don't seem # >>>>> # >> to # >> # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>> be having the problem # >>>> # >>>> # >>>>> you're talking about,... # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>>> cheers! # >>>>> e # >>>>> # >>>>> # >>>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # >>>>> # > === message truncated === # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2555 **********************************