From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Oct 8 08:18:26 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, October 8 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2556 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] BioDiesel, fuel taxes... [db] Re: it's colder than a freezer there... Re: [db] Oh boy..... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] BioDiesel, fuel taxes... unfortunately the incentives and the reasons behind them are often forgotten... too many conflicting requirements and needs... it's amazing that we're doing as well as we are overall. :) remember too that those elected to public office are not usually the best and the brightest... what motivation does a technical expert who is successful in the real world want to go into that mess working for those kinds of salaries... sure it's good money, but if you're technically competent you'll do better in industry and with less hassle. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: # wish it were that way here; there was supposed to be a tax credit kick # in a while back that was equal to $.01 for each percent of BioD in the # fuel used, but i haven't seen it make any impact to the sale price of # the fuel,... # # # cheers! # e # # # john wrote: # > you're right on unleaded... :) # > interesting that B99 is less... the tide has shifted... # > # > ----- # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:42:48 -0700 From: ernest breakfield Subject: [db] Re: it's colder than a freezer there... note the unanswered question in my original post: "i'm not sure where you're at..." i understand cold, having played and done biz in Alberta when it was more than 40* below... it's not by accident i live in Calif. ;-) i'm just not assuming that there isn't a protected place to brew, or that we weren't talking a blend... cheers! e john wrote: > ernest, > > you can't possibly, unless you've been there, imagine how cold > it can get in Wisconsin... I grew up there... in January > a warm day is 15 degrees above zero... they start zipping up > their sweathers when the temp hits about 20 below zero... :) > > serious, the early part of January will always be below zero... > > I'm surprised Diesel even works back there at all. ;) > > Ya gotta love the west coast... no rust, mild temps... from > the bay area to victoria BC, it's so nice... :) but shhhhh, > don't let anyone know... it's our little secret... > > oh, trying to brew your own in those kinds of temps would require > a very well heated shop/barn/garage... and then the pourpoint > of biodiesel isn't as good as regular diesel, one of it's limitations... > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > > # hi Jim! > # > # i'm sorry, i might be missing something, but i don't understand how > # your climate relates to your brewing your own,...? > # > # > # cheers! > # e > # > # > # Jim Hoffman wrote: > # > That is correct. But I wanted to brew my own and > # > become totally self dependent ;) > # > > # > In the mean time the closest place that I can get any > # > bio is about 20 miles each way. Not very practical. > # > > # > Jim > # > > # > --- ernest breakfield > # > wrote: > # > > # > > # >> hi Jim! > # >> > # >> i'm not sure where you're at (and what climate > # >> we're talking about), > # >> but unless you're going a *long* way below 0*F, you > # >> should have no > # >> problems with BioD as a blend with #2. > # >> > # >> > # >> cheers! > # >> e > # >> > # >> > # >> Jim Hoffman wrote: > # >> > # >>> I'd really like to try biodiesel in my vehicles... > # >>> However, my climate precludes me from using it in > # >>> > # >> the > # >> > # >>> winter and it's just so much more than dino > # >>> > # >> diesel. > # >> > # >>> If the disparity of cost weren't so great I'd try > # >>> > # >> it > # >> > # >>> in a heart beat. > # >>> > # >>> And I agree that it's supposed to be better... > # >>> > # >> Better > # >> > # >>> for your pump (lubrication), better for the > # >>> environment > # >>> (less pollutants), etc. I'm sold! Now let's get > # >>> > # >> the > # >> > # >>> price down ;) > # >>> > # >>> Jim > # >>> > # >>> --- ernest breakfield > # >>> wrote: > # >>> > # >>> > # >>> > # >>>> OK, you care less about your own health (and that > # >>>> > # >> of > # >> > # >>>> anyone else, > # >>>> including your wife) than that of your vehicle... > # >>>> got that. so, let's > # >>>> not even try to make any advances that might > # >>>> actually improve our own > # >>>> environments because there are also other bad > # >>>> > # >> things > # >> > # >>>> out there, and/or > # >>>> because it might mess up Jasons old-tech > # >>>> vehicle,...? > # >>>> i'll give you the break you ask for; i'll > # >>>> > # >> ignore > # >> > # >>>> most of the rest of > # >>>> your post. i could drive a truck (high-sulfur > # >>>> diesel, if you prefer) > # >>>> through most of the holes in that one, and it > # >>>> doesn't merit a flame war. > # >>>> > # >>>> let's see if we can keep you focused on one > # >>>> point: > # >>>> i don't see where you even acknowledge the > # >>>> suggestion of trying > # >>>> BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the multitude > # >>>> > # >> of > # >> > # >>>> other possible > # >>>> benefits it might have and try to not get started > # >>>> > # >> on > # >> > # >>>> another rant about > # >>>> its offending your self-centered anti-enviro > # >>>> (non)sensibilities; but is > # >>>> there any good reason you haven't considered at > # >>>> least mixing in a bit of > # >>>> it based solely on the fact that it's supposed to > # >>>> > # >> be > # >> > # >>>> better at > # >>>> conditioning some of the rubber parts in the > # >>>> injection pumps? > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>> with any and all due regards, > # >>>> e > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> Not to start a flame war, but I don't give a > # >>>>> > # >> rat's > # >> > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> rear end about how > # >>>> "dirty" any fuel is if it does its job well. I've > # >>>> been to some Asian countries > # >>>> with no concern for emissions whatsoever, and I > # >>>> could tell, but I didn't care. > # >>>> It doesn't bother me to have "dirty" air. It's > # >>>> > # >> all > # >> > # >>>> nonsense. Some study > # >>>> supposedly showed that secondhand smoke was 20 > # >>>> > # >> times > # >> > # >>>> as dangerous as "a city > # >>>> street choked with diesel trucks." And secondhand > # >>>> smoke doesn't worry me all > # >>>> that much either. So whatever. If I could legally > # >>>> run the old high-sulfur > # >>>> diesel these cars were made for, I'd do it > # >>>> > # >> without a > # >> > # >>>> second thought. And if > # >>>> you actually read some of the propaganda...er, > # >>>> literature, that the ULSD > # >>>> people put out, they admit that it does cause > # >>>> > # >> leaks > # >> > # >>>> on some vehicles. > # >>>> Chevron's "A Cleaner Diesel" brochure says it > # >>>> explicitly. It is a known, > # >>>> acknowledged problem with ULSD, and no amount of > # >>>> envirobabble is going to make > # >>>> me choose to use a lower quality product that is > # >>>> > # >> bad > # >> > # >>>> for my car. If I ever > # >>>> think of a way (discover > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> /invent/find an additive) that turns ULSD into > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> old-style HSD, it's going > # >>>> in. > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> And no, this is the one nice vehicle I own. I > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> splurged and got a well-kept, > # >>>> low-mileage specimen (bought it at 137k, now at > # >>>> 141k) that is very solid and > # >>>> very attractive. It was a birthday present of > # >>>> > # >> sorts > # >> > # >>>> for my wife. I DO know a > # >>>> nice car when I see one, I just don't care all > # >>>> > # >> that > # >> > # >>>> much that what I drive is > # >>>> pretty. Just safe and reliable. > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> Gimme a break. > # >>>>> > # >>>>> -----Original Message----- > # >>>>> > # >>>>> From: ernest breakfield > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> Subj: Re: [db] Oh boy..... > # >>>>> Date: Thu Oct 4, 2007 8:26 pm > # >>>>> Size: 1K > # >>>>> To: diesel-benz list > # >>>>> > # >>>>> yeah, much better the US should continue using > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> some of the worlds > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> dirtiest diesel fuel, to make it more convenient > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> for you,... ;-* > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> is this on one of your low-budget special > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> vehicles? how many miles > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> does *this* one have on it? no chance that this > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> might not just be the > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> sort of problem you might reasonably expect on a > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> 20-plus year-old vehicle? > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> i haven't tried to keep up with your fleet, > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> but if this isn't one of > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> the clapped-out vehicles of questionable origin > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> that you seem to be so > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> attracted to, and you have good reason to > # >>>>> > # >> suspect > # >> > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> the ULSD fuel has > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> something to do with it, have you considered > # >>>>> > # >> using > # >> > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> (at least a mixture > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> of) BioDiesel? the "enviro-stupids" don't seem > # >>>>> > # >> to > # >> > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>> be having the problem > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> you're talking about,... > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>>> cheers! > # >>>>> e > # >>>>> > # >>>>> > # >>>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # >>>>> > # > === message truncated === > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Oh boy..... It just means that I'd LIKE to run B100 ALL the time. Where I live I can't do that. There are at least five to six months where I'd have to run some blend with #2 and thus not be "totally" self dependent ;) Jim - --- ernest breakfield wrote: > hi Jim! > > i'm sorry, i might be missing something, but i > don't understand how > your climate relates to your brewing your own,...? > > > cheers! > e > > > Jim Hoffman wrote: > > That is correct. But I wanted to brew my own and > > become totally self dependent ;) > > > > In the mean time the closest place that I can get > any > > bio is about 20 miles each way. Not very > practical. > > > > Jim > > > > --- ernest breakfield > > wrote: > > > > > >> hi Jim! > >> > >> i'm not sure where you're at (and what > climate > >> we're talking about), > >> but unless you're going a *long* way below 0*F, > you > >> should have no > >> problems with BioD as a blend with #2. > >> > >> > >> cheers! > >> e > >> > >> > >> Jim Hoffman wrote: > >> > >>> I'd really like to try biodiesel in my > vehicles... > >>> However, my climate precludes me from using it > in > >>> > >> the > >> > >>> winter and it's just so much more than dino > >>> > >> diesel. > >> > >>> If the disparity of cost weren't so great I'd > try > >>> > >> it > >> > >>> in a heart beat. > >>> > >>> And I agree that it's supposed to be better... > >>> > >> Better > >> > >>> for your pump (lubrication), better for the > >>> environment > >>> (less pollutants), etc. I'm sold! Now let's > get > >>> > >> the > >> > >>> price down ;) > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> --- ernest breakfield > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> OK, you care less about your own health (and > that > >>>> > >> of > >> > >>>> anyone else, > >>>> including your wife) than that of your > vehicle... > >>>> got that. so, let's > >>>> not even try to make any advances that might > >>>> actually improve our own > >>>> environments because there are also other bad > >>>> > >> things > >> > >>>> out there, and/or > >>>> because it might mess up Jasons old-tech > >>>> vehicle,...? > >>>> i'll give you the break you ask for; i'll > >>>> > >> ignore > >> > >>>> most of the rest of > >>>> your post. i could drive a truck (high-sulfur > >>>> diesel, if you prefer) > >>>> through most of the holes in that one, and it > >>>> doesn't merit a flame war. > >>>> > >>>> let's see if we can keep you focused on one > >>>> point: > >>>> i don't see where you even acknowledge the > >>>> suggestion of trying > >>>> BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the > multitude > >>>> > >> of > >> > >>>> other possible > >>>> benefits it might have and try to not get > started > >>>> > >> on > >> > >>>> another rant about > >>>> its offending your self-centered anti-enviro > >>>> (non)sensibilities; but is > >>>> there any good reason you haven't considered at > >>>> least mixing in a bit of > >>>> it based solely on the fact that it's supposed > to > >>>> > >> be > >> > >>>> better at > >>>> conditioning some of the rubber parts in the > >>>> injection pumps? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> with any and all due regards, > >>>> e > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Not to start a flame war, but I don't give a > >>>>> > >> rat's > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> rear end about how > >>>> "dirty" any fuel is if it does its job well. > I've > >>>> been to some Asian countries > >>>> with no concern for emissions whatsoever, and I > >>>> could tell, but I didn't care. > >>>> It doesn't bother me to have "dirty" air. It's > >>>> > >> all > >> > >>>> nonsense. Some study > >>>> supposedly showed that secondhand smoke was 20 > >>>> > >> times > >> > >>>> as dangerous as "a city > >>>> street choked with diesel trucks." And > secondhand > >>>> smoke doesn't worry me all > >>>> that much either. So whatever. If I could > legally > >>>> run the old high-sulfur > >>>> diesel these cars were made for, I'd do it > >>>> > >> without a > >> > >>>> second thought. And if > >>>> you actually read some of the propaganda...er, > >>>> literature, that the ULSD > >>>> people put out, they admit that it does cause > >>>> > >> leaks > >> > >>>> on some vehicles. > >>>> Chevron's "A Cleaner Diesel" brochure says it > >>>> explicitly. It is a known, > >>>> acknowledged problem with ULSD, and no amount > of > >>>> envirobabble is going to make > >>>> me choose to use a lower quality product that > is > >>>> > >> bad > >> > >>>> for my car. If I ever > >>>> think of a way (discover > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> /invent/find an additive) that turns ULSD into > === message truncated === ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2556 **********************************