From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Oct 8 11:55:47 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, October 8 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2557 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] it's colder than a freezer there... Re: [db] it's colder than a freezer there... Re: Oh yeah! [Was Re: [db] Oh boy.....] Re: [db] In case John needs a new project [db] 300SD vacuum Re: [db] In case John needs a new project Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:10:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] it's colder than a freezer there... Yeah, what he said! ;) Jim - --- john wrote: > ernest, > > you can't possibly, unless you've been there, > imagine how cold > it can get in Wisconsin... I grew up there... in > January > a warm day is 15 degrees above zero... they start > zipping up > their sweathers when the temp hits about 20 below > zero... :) > > serious, the early part of January will always be > below zero... > > I'm surprised Diesel even works back there at all. > ;) > > Ya gotta love the west coast... no rust, mild > temps... from > the bay area to victoria BC, it's so nice... :) but > shhhhh, > don't let anyone know... it's our little secret... > > oh, trying to brew your own in those kinds of temps > would require > a very well heated shop/barn/garage... and then the > pourpoint > of biodiesel isn't as good as regular diesel, one of > it's limitations... > > john > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: > > # hi Jim! > # > # i'm sorry, i might be missing something, but > i don't understand how > # your climate relates to your brewing your > own,...? > # > # > # cheers! > # e > # > # > # Jim Hoffman wrote: > # > That is correct. But I wanted to brew my own > and > # > become totally self dependent ;) > # > > # > In the mean time the closest place that I can > get any > # > bio is about 20 miles each way. Not very > practical. > # > > # > Jim > # > > # > --- ernest breakfield > # > wrote: > # > > # > > # >> hi Jim! > # >> > # >> i'm not sure where you're at (and what > climate > # >> we're talking about), > # >> but unless you're going a *long* way below > 0*F, you > # >> should have no > # >> problems with BioD as a blend with #2. > # >> > # >> > # >> cheers! > # >> e > # >> > # >> > # >> Jim Hoffman wrote: > # >> > # >>> I'd really like to try biodiesel in my > vehicles... > # >>> However, my climate precludes me from using > it in > # >>> > # >> the > # >> > # >>> winter and it's just so much more than dino > # >>> > # >> diesel. > # >> > # >>> If the disparity of cost weren't so great I'd > try > # >>> > # >> it > # >> > # >>> in a heart beat. > # >>> > # >>> And I agree that it's supposed to be > better... > # >>> > # >> Better > # >> > # >>> for your pump (lubrication), better for the > # >>> environment > # >>> (less pollutants), etc. I'm sold! Now let's > get > # >>> > # >> the > # >> > # >>> price down ;) > # >>> > # >>> Jim > # >>> > # >>> --- ernest breakfield > # >>> wrote: > # >>> > # >>> > # >>> > # >>>> OK, you care less about your own health (and > that > # >>>> > # >> of > # >> > # >>>> anyone else, > # >>>> including your wife) than that of your > vehicle... > # >>>> got that. so, let's > # >>>> not even try to make any advances that might > # >>>> actually improve our own > # >>>> environments because there are also other > bad > # >>>> > # >> things > # >> > # >>>> out there, and/or > # >>>> because it might mess up Jasons old-tech > # >>>> vehicle,...? > # >>>> i'll give you the break you ask for; > i'll > # >>>> > # >> ignore > # >> > # >>>> most of the rest of > # >>>> your post. i could drive a truck > (high-sulfur > # >>>> diesel, if you prefer) > # >>>> through most of the holes in that one, and > it > # >>>> doesn't merit a flame war. > # >>>> > # >>>> let's see if we can keep you focused on > one > # >>>> point: > # >>>> i don't see where you even acknowledge > the > # >>>> suggestion of trying > # >>>> BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the > multitude > # >>>> > # >> of > # >> > # >>>> other possible > # >>>> benefits it might have and try to not get > started > # >>>> > # >> on > # >> > # >>>> another rant about > # >>>> its offending your self-centered anti-enviro > # >>>> (non)sensibilities; but is > # >>>> there any good reason you haven't considered > at > # >>>> least mixing in a bit of > # >>>> it based solely on the fact that it's > supposed to > # >>>> > # >> be > # >> > # >>>> better at > # >>>> conditioning some of the rubber parts in the > # >>>> injection pumps? > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>> with any and all due regards, > # >>>> e > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > # >>>> > # >>>> > # >>>>> Not to start a flame war, but I don't give > a > # >>>>> > === message truncated === ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:37:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] it's colder than a freezer there... I do miss the beautiful countryside with the farms and gentle rolling hills... there was a pleasantness there... I don't miss the humidity, extreme cold, deep snow, salted roads or the excessively low town speed limits... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Yeah, what he said! # # ;) # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > ernest, # > # > you can't possibly, unless you've been there, # > imagine how cold # > it can get in Wisconsin... I grew up there... in # > January # > a warm day is 15 degrees above zero... they start # > zipping up # > their sweathers when the temp hits about 20 below # > zero... :) # > # > serious, the early part of January will always be # > below zero... # > # > I'm surprised Diesel even works back there at all. # > ;) # > # > Ya gotta love the west coast... no rust, mild # > temps... from # > the bay area to victoria BC, it's so nice... :) but # > shhhhh, # > don't let anyone know... it's our little secret... # > # > oh, trying to brew your own in those kinds of temps # > would require # > a very well heated shop/barn/garage... and then the # > pourpoint # > of biodiesel isn't as good as regular diesel, one of # > it's limitations... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Sat, 6 Oct 2007, ernest breakfield wrote: # > # > # hi Jim! # > # # > # i'm sorry, i might be missing something, but # > i don't understand how # > # your climate relates to your brewing your # > own,...? # > # # > # # > # cheers! # > # e # > # # > # # > # Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # > That is correct. But I wanted to brew my own # > and # > # > become totally self dependent ;) # > # > # > # > In the mean time the closest place that I can # > get any # > # > bio is about 20 miles each way. Not very # > practical. # > # > # > # > Jim # > # > # > # > --- ernest breakfield # > # > wrote: # > # > # > # > # > # >> hi Jim! # > # >> # > # >> i'm not sure where you're at (and what # > climate # > # >> we're talking about), # > # >> but unless you're going a *long* way below # > 0*F, you # > # >> should have no # > # >> problems with BioD as a blend with #2. # > # >> # > # >> # > # >> cheers! # > # >> e # > # >> # > # >> # > # >> Jim Hoffman wrote: # > # >> # > # >>> I'd really like to try biodiesel in my # > vehicles... # > # >>> However, my climate precludes me from using # > it in # > # >>> # > # >> the # > # >> # > # >>> winter and it's just so much more than dino # > # >>> # > # >> diesel. # > # >> # > # >>> If the disparity of cost weren't so great I'd # > try # > # >>> # > # >> it # > # >> # > # >>> in a heart beat. # > # >>> # > # >>> And I agree that it's supposed to be # > better... # > # >>> # > # >> Better # > # >> # > # >>> for your pump (lubrication), better for the # > # >>> environment # > # >>> (less pollutants), etc. I'm sold! Now let's # > get # > # >>> # > # >> the # > # >> # > # >>> price down ;) # > # >>> # > # >>> Jim # > # >>> # > # >>> --- ernest breakfield # > # >>> wrote: # > # >>> # > # >>> # > # >>> # > # >>>> OK, you care less about your own health (and # > that # > # >>>> # > # >> of # > # >> # > # >>>> anyone else, # > # >>>> including your wife) than that of your # > vehicle... # > # >>>> got that. so, let's # > # >>>> not even try to make any advances that might # > # >>>> actually improve our own # > # >>>> environments because there are also other # > bad # > # >>>> # > # >> things # > # >> # > # >>>> out there, and/or # > # >>>> because it might mess up Jasons old-tech # > # >>>> vehicle,...? # > # >>>> i'll give you the break you ask for; # > i'll # > # >>>> # > # >> ignore # > # >> # > # >>>> most of the rest of # > # >>>> your post. i could drive a truck # > (high-sulfur # > # >>>> diesel, if you prefer) # > # >>>> through most of the holes in that one, and # > it # > # >>>> doesn't merit a flame war. # > # >>>> # > # >>>> let's see if we can keep you focused on # > one # > # >>>> point: # > # >>>> i don't see where you even acknowledge # > the # > # >>>> suggestion of trying # > # >>>> BioD. if you need to, try ignoring the # > multitude # > # >>>> # > # >> of # > # >> # > # >>>> other possible # > # >>>> benefits it might have and try to not get # > started # > # >>>> # > # >> on # > # >> # > # >>>> another rant about # > # >>>> its offending your self-centered anti-enviro # > # >>>> (non)sensibilities; but is # > # >>>> there any good reason you haven't considered # > at # > # >>>> least mixing in a bit of # > # >>>> it based solely on the fact that it's # > supposed to # > # >>>> # > # >> be # > # >> # > # >>>> better at # > # >>>> conditioning some of the rubber parts in the # > # >>>> injection pumps? # > # >>>> # > # >>>> # > # >>>> with any and all due regards, # > # >>>> e # > # >>>> # > # >>>> # > # >>>> jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # >>>> # > # >>>> # > # >>>>> Not to start a flame war, but I don't give # > a # > # >>>>> # > # === message truncated === # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:59:49 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: Oh yeah! [Was Re: [db] Oh boy.....] "one of the reasons a few percentage of BioD is mandatory in diesel fuel in the EU" Is it? They've forgotten to tell us if thats the case... Any links on this? Steve On 10/6/07, ernest breakfield wrote: > > hi Jason! > > i wouldn't interpret that fact that the fuel door says "no > additives" doesn't mean the engine is particular about it's fuel; > somewhere in the literature for almost every vehicle i've ever read it > says pretty much the same thing. what it *does* mean is that no > additives are *necessary*, and/or the manufacturer doesn't trust the > general public with regard to what they might put in the tank. (based on > what we've seen, who could blame them? we don't have to look for for > examples of the weird stuff people will put in their tanks!) > > as for BioD; (how do i say this nicely?) you appear to have been > misinformed. > firstly, there's not much methanol in properly made BioD; most > commercially available fuel shouldn't contain enough to be of any > concern in this regard, and most commercial producers are eager to > reclaim as much of the methanol as possible. leaks reported to have been > "caused" by switching to BioD are usually found to be related to BioDs > higher solvency cleaning grunge out of a system from where that grunge > had been plugging leaks and masking leaks that were already there; those > who continued to use BioD after the initial switchover often found that > the effect of BioD swelling the seals would cause the leaks to disappear > again in fairly short order once the fuel had a chance to get to that > area (for reasons addressed below). in general, the concerns commonly > expressed related to BioDs solvency are severely overblown. for an > example, i've only been using BioD for about 4 years now, but i'm still > watching for any indication of any need to replace any fuel lines, or > anything else. at this point, the whole idea of having to 'convert' a > vehicle to use BioD appears to be just another myth. > secondly, BioD *swells* rubber parts, compared to ULSD shrinking > them; one of the reasons a few percentage of BioD is mandatory in diesel > fuel in the EU is to help replace the lubricity that was lost when ULSD > came on the scene, and another is to help keep the seals from shrinking. > (FWIW, VW TDIs are showing an extreme sensitivity when switching back > and forth between BioD and ULSD; some are showing leaking FI pumps in > just a few tanks of ULSD, whereas they were fine on B100, or before the > new ULSD fuel, or if a blend containing at least a few percent of BioD > is used.) > i usually get my BioD from the same place, and due to regulatory > status in CA, the vendor must keep track of all the vehicles using the > fuel. (a lot of us know each other anyway, and there's a lot of > information shared there.) with well over 1000 different vehicles in the > 'fleet' and several years of experience, reviewing the data gleaned from > literally 10s of millions of miles traveled on BioD has shown that much > of the alleged concerns expressed related to BioD are simply not true. > > as for finding it for sale in your area, there are several resources > i've seen that might help you find it if you were actually interested; > i'm not sure where you're at (so i can't look for you) but many people > find that it isn't as far away as they might have thought when/if they > look into it. > > > cheers! > e > > > jas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 17:21:21 +0100 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] In case John needs a new project *cough* http://www.equicar.co.uk/breakers/breaking.php?mmcode=J008&submit2=Go+-+%3E as if you need encouragement ;-) Steve On 10/5/07, john wrote: > > ref: # http://tinyurl.com/yr3y7q > > yes, a friend of mine showed me this yesterday... > in fact we were discussing the options of getting one here... > > Ich spreche Deutsche, have a passport, access to a seaport and > plastic... ;) > > this would indeed be the Ultimate late model Jeep! Last of > the passenger variants with solid front axle... > > If any listers in Europe find one, let me know about it... a guy > has to have a dream... I've waited since 1989 to have a full size > jeep with a Diesel... very close to having it, but it's a 1991... > of course I did have that '85 XJ with the 2.1L TD, it was nice > but needed an Automatic. :( Any remaining '85 XJs with that > Renault engine would require very expensive maintenance... the > french engine was expensive on so very many levels... > > in the meantime, I'm hoping that the 6.2L Diesel in my '91 Grand > Wagoneer will be everything I hoped for... > http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Omega/28sep2007-inwork/ALL.html > > If not, I may try a Mercedes 3.0L or 2.5L TD into a Jeep XJ... > > we'll see... it's all fun... :) If I'd gone to college straight > out of High School instead of spending 8 years in the Army then > maybe I could actually afford to buy a new ML 320CDI or a nice > Diesel 4x4 truck... spending $50k or more for a rig just goes > against my Boehmian ancestory. ;) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Mike Frank wrote: > > # http://tinyurl.com/yr3y7q > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:34:07 -0400 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: [db] 300SD vacuum 1984 300SD has weak vacuum. I got the rebuild kit for pump, it does not seem to have a diaphagm in it. Is that correct? I know I need a new gasket for the pump/block face but anything else I am missing? SDB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:55:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] In case John needs a new project I wonder what they'd charge to ship a Diesel with Automatic over here... one problem I see, and heard from a friend in France, is that the XJs with Diesels all seem to have manual transmissions... I injured my leg in the army, can't have a manual... :( the 2.5L Diesel would be the easiest to drop into an XJ, but the KJs 2.8 comes with the Automatic... we'll see how my 6.2L Diesel project pans out... it solves a lot more problems than an XJ would... will have greater towing capacity and more interior room with the Grand Wagoneer... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # *cough* # http://www.equicar.co.uk/breakers/breaking.php?mmcode=J008&submit2=Go+-+%3E # # as if you need encouragement ;-) # Steve # # On 10/5/07, john wrote: # > # > ref: # http://tinyurl.com/yr3y7q # > # > yes, a friend of mine showed me this yesterday... # > in fact we were discussing the options of getting one here... ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2557 **********************************