From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Oct 19 09:26:17 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, October 19 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2562 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas Re: [db] diesel vs. gas Re: [db] diesel vs. gas Re: [db] diesel vs. gas Re: [db] diesel vs. gas RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: fuel costs and wheel options... [db] W123 TD rear trailing arm Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:00:46 -0400 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas Winter. It happens every year about this time. Remember that Diesel is essentially the same as home heating oil. Mike Frank At 01:54 AM 10/18/2007, john wrote: >just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... > >what's going on??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:22:29 -0700 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas So how is it that heating oil runs a good 25 cents per gallon *higher* than pump #2? Then they add sales tax! seems like a steep premium for delivery to me. Does anyone know why you should not run diesel in your furnace? Or Bio-diesel? Paul - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Frank" To: "diesel-benz list" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas > Winter. It happens every year about this time. Remember that Diesel is > essentially the same as home heating oil. > > Mike Frank > > At 01:54 AM 10/18/2007, john wrote: >>just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... >> >>what's going on??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas Diesel #2 is a "thicker" than Heating oil... if you adjust your burner setup you could run it... no reason why biodiesel wouldn't work... except for the growth of algae, etc. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Paul Masterson wrote: # So how is it that heating oil runs a good 25 cents per gallon *higher* than # pump #2? # Then they add sales tax! seems like a steep premium for delivery to me. # # Does anyone know why you should not run diesel in your furnace? # Or Bio-diesel? # # Paul # ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Frank" # To: "diesel-benz list" # Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:00 AM # Subject: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas # # # > Winter. It happens every year about this time. Remember that Diesel is # > essentially the same as home heating oil. # > # > Mike Frank # > # > At 01:54 AM 10/18/2007, john wrote: # > >just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... # > > # > >what's going on??? # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:27:47 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the next couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered cherokee aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as people who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in having them anymore. On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... > > what's going on??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at the numbers? :) I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, or whatever... :) the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the next # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered cherokee # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. # # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. # # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as people # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in # having them anymore. # # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... # > # > what's going on??? # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas what year? would make a good driveline for an XJ... divorced xfr case setup using the benz output flange welded to an input into a stock xfr case... won't be fast, but should get upper 20's to 30mpg... reliable... on a scale you can not fathom... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Jim Blair wrote: # I found a good running 240D with auto for $900. It has about $600 in tires and rims on it. # tempting! # # Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) # # > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:54:44 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: kevin-at-mordred.punk.net # > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Re: [db] diesel vs. gas # > # > that TCO is a challenge... which way does one look at # > the numbers? :) # > # > I keep coming back to the fact that I can set up the '91 Grand Wagoneer # > to run straight veggie oil, biodiesel, jet fuel, kerosene, peanut oil, # > or whatever... :) # > # > the only thing better than a Diesel GWag would be a Diesel XJ, WJ or # > maybe a Land Cruiser. :) Well, if money wasn't a problem, a new # > 320CDI in a 4wd config would be nice... but the only vehicles that # > could work with a dual tank setup might be the GW and the Cruiser... # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Kevin wrote: # > # > # The oil companies know that I am going to have to tow some cars in the next # > # couple of weeks, and know that the 440 powered dually and 401 powered cherokee # > # aren't up to the task, requiring me to take a diesel. # > # # > # Also, I have to pick up a diesel landcruiser from new mexico. # > # # > # The upside is the price of diesel benzes is starting to come down as people # > # who can't do total cost of ownership calculations aren't interested in # > # having them anymore. # > # # > # On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:54:30PM -0700, john wrote: # > # > just noticed that Diesel is now $3.52 and unleaded is 3.07... # > # > # > # > what's going on??? # > # # # _________________________________________________________________ # Boo! 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Diesel is 3.45/gal here (ok, > # > I know, I know, it's higher in Europe... (how high???) > # > > # > I've put together a spreadsheet to compare Diesel vs. Gas in > # > the objects of my motoring affection... > # > > # > The GW with the 5.9 is for reference only, I would be quite desperate, > # > or have won the lottery, to drive it daily... :) > # > > # > > # > at this point with Diesel at 3.45 and gas at 3.05 or so, the > # > XJ with a 4.0L getting 16 to 17 mpg in town beats out the 6.2L Diesel > # > Grand Wagoneer which should get at least 18mpg in town. > # > > # > The WJ of course is about $20/wk more... this is based on 645 miles/week. > # > > # > The 300D with it's 2.5L Turbo Diesel only getting 26-28mpg in town > # > is still cheaper at around $85/wk vs $123 for the Jeeps... > # > > # > the plan is to keep the benz while my son is in school, have him > # > pay the insurance... the insurance savings by NOT having the 300D > # > offset the fuel costs. > # > > # > Now, the question I'm again faced with is... will Omega meet my standards > # > as a daily driver... could find out this week... :) but that > # > '99 XJ is still on the market at a greatly reduced price... temptations > # > abound... hoping to be in the GW this weekend... > # > > # > stay tuned... :) (if you want a copy of the spreadsheet will put it > # > on my server under Jeeps named "mileage.xls" > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > MPG: Grand Wagoneer 5.9 V8 Grand Wag w/ 6.2L Diesel XJ 4.0 300D Diesel WJ > # 4.7L V8 > # > 10 $196.73 > # > 11 $178.84 > # > 12 $163.94 > # > 13 $151.33 $151.33 > # > 14 $140.52 $158.95 $140.52 $140.52 > # > 15 $131.15 $148.35 $131.15 $131.15 > # > 16 $139.08 $122.95 $122.95 > # > 17 $130.90 $115.72 > # > 18 $123.63 $109.29 > # > 19 $117.12 $103.54 > # > 20 $111.26 $98.36 > # > 21 $105.96 > # > 22 $101.15 > # > 23 $96.75 > # > 24 $92.72 > # > 25 $89.01 > # > 26 $85.59 > # > 27 $82.42 > # > 28 $79.47 > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Climb to the top of the charts! 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