From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Nov 15 16:08:02 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, November 16 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2590 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility Re: xj: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility Re: xj: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility [db] icelandic Diesel 4x4 adventures [db] what we'll be doing if fuel prices continue... Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:01:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility why not move them north during the winter to help heat homes? ;) then move them to Australia and New Zealand for the "summer" so they heat homes down there... :) seriously, what we need to do is reclaim the heat we generate for useful purposes... of course the losses associated with transfering it often overcome any benefits... Of course years ago I recall seeing something about storing heat from a/c underground and then reusing it in the winter. Not sure how that worked out. Just think, if we could store the heat from our engines, get home and then plug into to our house and transfer all that waste heat energy into our homes for use... not exactly a desirable thing in SoCal or Arizona, but other places it might be welcome... Think back, way back, to the engineering feat attempted in Laodicea, a wee bit before our time... but they were going to setup hot and cold running water... all they got was luke warm... We know about it because in Revelation 3:16 there is a reference to it... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, michel balea wrote: # Neat, sometimes... we wonder.... Shouldn't we move those servers in Alaska for # the summer and move them south for the winter ..... Fighting global warming # one gram of CO2 at a time..... Right... how do we move them..... need my # tea.... phone rang at 5 am..... arggggh # # Michel # 74 wag..... may be i will add how many tons of carbons i generated last year # vs. this year..... # # # # # # > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:07:00 -0800 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; xj-at-digest.net; # fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility # > # > if you ever wonder why wagoneers.com is so fast, it's the datacenter... # > (well, and Linux and Apache, but it's the network that makes it work so # well...) # > # > the digital forest in Seattle... a worldclass facility. it's one # > of the finest data centers I've ever been in... if you're looking for # > a colocation facility you need to check these guys out. # > # > ran across the video of them putting in additional HVAC during an upgrade, # > http://www.forest.net/support/ it's down near the bottom... # > # > cool stuff... (no pun intended). :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # _________________________________________________________________ # Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook ^V together at last. Get it # now. # http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971 # 033 # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:17:20 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility The future for the big players (if they've got any sense ) http://www.invest.is/Key-Sectors/Data-Centers-in-Iceland/ Electricity is v.cheap (geothermal power). Steve On Nov 15, 2007 5:01 PM, john wrote: > why not move them north during the winter to help heat homes? ;) > > then move them to Australia and New Zealand for the "summer" so they > heat homes down there... :) > > seriously, what we need to do is reclaim the heat we generate for > useful purposes... of course the losses associated with transfering > it often overcome any benefits... Of course years ago I recall > seeing something about storing heat from a/c underground and then > reusing it in the winter. Not sure how that worked out. Just > think, if we could store the heat from our engines, get home > and then plug into to our house and transfer all that waste heat > energy into our homes for use... not exactly a desirable thing > in SoCal or Arizona, but other places it might be welcome... > > Think back, way back, to the engineering feat attempted in Laodicea, > a wee bit before our time... but they were going to setup hot and > cold running water... all they got was luke warm... We know about > it because in Revelation 3:16 there is a reference to it... :) > > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, michel balea wrote: > > # Neat, sometimes... we wonder.... Shouldn't we move those servers in > Alaska for > # the summer and move them south for the winter ..... Fighting global > warming > # one gram of CO2 at a time..... Right... how do we move them..... need > my > # tea.... phone rang at 5 am..... arggggh > # > # Michel > # 74 wag..... may be i will add how many tons of carbons i generated last > year > # vs. this year..... > # > # > # > # > # > # > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:07:00 -0800 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; xj-at-digest.net; > # fsj-at-digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility > # > > # > if you ever wonder why wagoneers.com is so fast, it's the > datacenter... > # > (well, and Linux and Apache, but it's the network that makes it work > so > # well...) > # > > # > the digital forest in Seattle... a worldclass facility. it's one > # > of the finest data centers I've ever been in... if you're looking for > # > a colocation facility you need to check these guys out. > # > > # > ran across the video of them putting in additional HVAC during an > upgrade, > # > http://www.forest.net/support/ it's down near the bottom... > # > > # > cool stuff... (no pun intended). :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # _________________________________________________________________ > # Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook together at last. > Get it > # now. > # > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971 > # 033 > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility they have some great wheeling up there too... if you like driving on glaciers... :) hey, how come no one is complaining about the heat created by geothermal and volcanoes??? ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # The future for the big players (if they've got any sense ) # # http://www.invest.is/Key-Sectors/Data-Centers-in-Iceland/ # # Electricity is v.cheap (geothermal power). # # Steve # # On Nov 15, 2007 5:01 PM, john wrote: # > Think back, way back, to the engineering feat attempted in Laodicea, # > a wee bit before our time... but they were going to setup hot and # > cold running water... all they got was luke warm... We know about # > it because in Revelation 3:16 there is a reference to it... :) # > # > john # > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: xj: RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility corrosion, rust, sedimentation, impurities, friction, thermal losses... all signs of a fallen world... and just another engineering challenge to exercise our creativity... :) there's a solution for every problem, but the problem is can we afford the solution? ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Ed Kummel wrote: # Back in the '80s, an architect that my parents purchased a townhouse from was planning a new townhouse development. The new development would consist of 52 units surrounding a 5 acre pond that is 13 feet at it's deepest point. The pond would have a water chanel that ran in front of the houses as a kind of moat and feed back into the main body of water in the back with the back of the houses facing the pond. # What was interesting in his design was that the pond water was going to be used to supplement the heating and cooling of the townhouse units. Unfortunatly, it was determined that while the implementation of the idea was not that expensive, the maintenance, upkeep and upgrading of the system would have been prohibitively unfeasable. So, no heat exchangers in the water...although some of the houses did get the moat! # Ed # web/gadget guru # # john wrote: # why not move them north during the winter to help heat homes? ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:38:06 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility Coz there is no money to be made on it ;-) On Nov 15, 2007 5:23 PM, john wrote: > they have some great wheeling up there too... if you like > driving on glaciers... :) > > hey, how come no one is complaining about the heat created > by geothermal and volcanoes??? ;) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # The future for the big players (if they've got any sense ) > # > # http://www.invest.is/Key-Sectors/Data-Centers-in-Iceland/ > # > # Electricity is v.cheap (geothermal power). > # > # Steve > # > # On Nov 15, 2007 5:01 PM, john wrote: > > # > Think back, way back, to the engineering feat attempted in Laodicea, > # > a wee bit before our time... but they were going to setup hot and > # > cold running water... all they got was luke warm... We know about > # > it because in Revelation 3:16 there is a reference to it... :) > # > > # > john > # > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:41:25 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility On Nov 15, 2007 5:23 PM, john wrote: > they have some great wheeling up there too... if you like > driving on glaciers... :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qza9DIMiZuU > > > hey, how come no one is complaining about the heat created > by geothermal and volcanoes??? ;) > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # The future for the big players (if they've got any sense ) > # > # http://www.invest.is/Key-Sectors/Data-Centers-in-Iceland/ > # > # Electricity is v.cheap (geothermal power). > # > # Steve > # > # On Nov 15, 2007 5:01 PM, john wrote: > > # > Think back, way back, to the engineering feat attempted in Laodicea, > # > a wee bit before our time... but they were going to setup hot and > # > cold running water... all they got was luke warm... We know about > # > it because in Revelation 3:16 there is a reference to it... :) > # > > # > john > # > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:55:32 -0800 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility >seriously, what we need to do is reclaim the heat we generate for >useful purposes... In our case, we do. The heat from the facility is pulled out via hot-air return ducts and brought back to the HVAC systems to be used in making cold air. The only time we exhaust it is when it is much colder outside than the ideal temperature inside (~650F). In that situation we don't have to "make" cold air, we just pull it from outside. In this region, that is the smart way to do it since it is so cool and mild. It consumes MUCH less electricity since all we are running is fans. The rule of thumb in datacenter design is for every amp going to the servers 1.5/2 amps are used in cooling. That is not the case for us 60% of the year. Our ratio is more like 1:0.4 from October to June, and variable the rest of the year. At our peak usage it comes close to 1:1. Mind you our exhaust is not exactly "hot" either... maybe 770F tops. Only when we fire up the generator (ObDieselContent) do we put out serious heat. Oh, and thanks for the props John! =) - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:40:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility cool stuff... no pun intended... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, chuck goolsbee wrote: # >seriously, what we need to do is reclaim the heat we generate for # >useful purposes... # # In our case, we do. The heat from the facility is pulled out via hot-air # return ducts and brought back to the HVAC systems to be used in making cold # air. # # The only time we exhaust it is when it is much colder outside than the ideal # temperature inside (~650F). In that situation we don't have to "make" cold # air, we just pull it from outside. In this region, that is the smart way to # do it since it is so cool and mild. It consumes MUCH less electricity since # all we are running is fans. The rule of thumb in datacenter design is for # every amp going to the servers 1.5/2 amps are used in cooling. That is not # the case for us 60% of the year. Our ratio is more like 1:0.4 from October to # June, and variable the rest of the year. At our peak usage it comes close to # 1:1. # # Mind you our exhaust is not exactly "hot" either... maybe 770F tops. # # Only when we fire up the generator (ObDieselContent) do we put out serious # heat. # # Oh, and thanks for the props John! =) # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: [db] RE: fsj: OT: datacenter/colocation facility http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qza9DIMiZuU very cool, saw this on Top Gear years ago... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > they have some great wheeling up there too... if you like # > driving on glaciers... :) # > hey, how come no one is complaining about the heat created # > by geothermal and volcanoes??? ;) # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, Stephen Rigley wrote: # > # > # The future for the big players (if they've got any sense ) # > # # > # http://www.invest.is/Key-Sectors/Data-Centers-in-Iceland/ # > # # > # Electricity is v.cheap (geothermal power). # > # # > # Steve # > # # > # On Nov 15, 2007 5:01 PM, john wrote: # > # > # > Think back, way back, to the engineering feat attempted in Laodicea, # > # > a wee bit before our time... but they were going to setup hot and # > # > cold running water... all they got was luke warm... We know about # > # > it because in Revelation 3:16 there is a reference to it... :) # > # > # > # > john # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:40:12 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] icelandic Diesel 4x4 adventures this looks like fun... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OFgS7fwNWY&NR=1 Diesel Nissan Patrol... why can't we get rigs like this here? :( ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 15 Nov 2007, john wrote: # http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qza9DIMiZuU ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:07:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] what we'll be doing if fuel prices continue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coj2wfPouuk&feature=related :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2590 **********************************