From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Mon Nov 19 14:07:28 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Monday, November 19 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2594 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... Re: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... [db] this and that Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:43:00 -0500 From: Subject: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... whoops I did it again da da da da da.......... - -----Original Message----- From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com Subj: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:34 am Size: 5K To: chuck goolsbee I can't read that right now, but we CAN thank the dems for high oil prices, and they still come off as heroes to their uninformed base. Here's how it works: 1. Block use of our own oil resources through ridiculous environmental regulation, keeping as much of our oil in the ground as possible, assuring that it goes unused. This makes the environmentalist groups think the Dems are wonderful champions of the environment, and they give the Dems lots of money and positive publicity. 2. Unfortunately for we the people, this creates a greater dependence on foreign oil and an artificial shortage, driving up the price. Then the Dems get to be the "heroes" of the "poor and freezing" who "can't afford" to buy heating oil (but who somehow always seem to be able to afford the cel-phones they talk on incessantly and the liquor and cigarettes they suck down ad nauseum.) This gives the Dems a great excuse to practice wealth redistribution and increase their own power. I really can't take full credit for this bit of wisdom; Rush Limbaugh came up with this explanation of how the Dems make US oil prices high and then capitalize on it. But I wholeheartedly agree with it. Look around and you can see that it's an accurate assessment. Jason - -----Original Message----- From: chuck goolsbee Subj: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... Date: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:49 am Size: 3K To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >a fellow lister sent me this blog on energy, I've taken the liberty >to rename the file: (I can't take credit for the graphics, text, >diagrams, research or internal comments, shoot, I'm not even the >messenger... :) >http://wagoneers.com/MISC/History/ThankYouDemocratsForTheOilPrices.pdf It helps to think beyond our own election cycles every once in a while. I believe that whoever is in Congress or the White House has *nothing* to do with the price of gasoline at the pump, and correlating the two is an illustration of intellectual bankruptcy. The prices we see today are explainable by simple Econ 101. Demand is high as developing countries move from 2nd & 3rd world to 1st world lifestyles. Furthermore the US Dollar has taken a beating of late (which you CAN blame the US Govt for, having blown untold amounts of international good-will since late 2002) and a buck doesn't get you very far overseas anymore. The sellers want Pounds, Euros and Yuan, not Dead Presidents. If a Euro was worth US$ 0.75 then gasoline would be under two bucks a gallon. It was, but now it is not. Period. It helps to think beyond our own election cycles every once in a while. Think about this though: the strategic point of NOT drilling domestically is to drain it all out of the Middle East FIRST, before we start depleting the precious domestic supplies. Only certain members of Congress, notably those from Alaska want to drill in ANWR now, and really only to save their own skins. It will likely serve us better to leave it in the ground for time being. I have a friend in the oil drilling business who says there are large reserves, barely known in arctic Russia and off the west coast (deep water) of Africa. Again, these are harder to get to, but safely locked away in leases by/to "friendlies". Why go after harder stuff when the easy stuff is lying under people who are potentially (or actively) hostile to you? Take it now while you still can dazzle them with gold-plated Ferraris, *then* let the Arabs sit on empty wells before you start going for the stuff closer at hand. It helps to think beyond our own election cycles every once in a while. All wars are not fought with bullets and bombs. In fact the wise man doesn't fight them that way at all. The best way to win the world is through economic and cultural means. The world has already largely embraced the American economic model and are progressing forward to catch us. Unfortunately since 2002 we've been walking backwards to meet them. We should stop looking at the world through "Republican" or "Democrat" lenses and start looking at the world as Americans. We should focus on rehabilitating our currency, not winning seats in Congress for one party or another. Both parties are to blame for our current situation because BOTH have become absolutely *obsessed* with blaming each other for everything and fighting over their slim majorities & claim on this branch or the other... instead of doing their ACTUAL job, which is governing. NOT getting elected, governing. They may have gained the Senate, or the White House, but they're losing the whole world in the process. It helps to think beyond our own election cycles every once in a while. Want to conquer the world? Send in Coca-Cola, Starbucks, Pixar, Boeing, and Ford, not the 1st Armored Division. Who cares who sits in Congress or what the D:R ratio is therein if everyone on the planet wants to buy stuff from you? It helps to think beyond our own election cycles every once in a while. Meanwhile I'll just keep encouraging everyone I know to eat more fried food as I've already declared my personal independence from petroleum... leaving more for the rest of you. ;) - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:02:35 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... On Saturday 17 November 2007, my mailbox was graced by a missive from jasonbassett-at-juno.com who wrote: > I can't read that right now, but we CAN thank the dems for high oil prices, > and they still come off as heroes to their uninformed base. Here's how it > works: > > 1. Block use of our own oil resources through ridiculous environmental > regulation, keeping as much of our oil in the ground as possible, assuring > that it goes unused. This makes the environmentalist groups think the Dems > are wonderful champions of the environment, and they give the Dems lots of > money and positive publicity. > > 2. Unfortunately for we the people, this creates a greater dependence on > foreign oil and an artificial shortage, driving up the price. Then the Dems > get to be the "heroes" of the "poor and freezing" who "can't afford" to buy > heating oil (but who somehow always seem to be able to afford the > cel-phones they talk on incessantly and the liquor and cigarettes they suck > down ad nauseum.) This gives the Dems a great excuse to practice wealth > redistribution and increase their own power. > > I really can't take full credit for this bit of wisdom; Rush Limbaugh came > up with this explanation of how the Dems make US oil prices high and then > capitalize on it. But I wholeheartedly agree with it. Look around and you > can see that it's an accurate assessment. I always understood that it was official Republican policy to exhaust the oil ressources outside the US and keep US reserves in the grouns, to make sure you have oil available when the rest of the world runs out. And dont you think the high price of oil is due in a great part to your idiotic war in Iraq, which has increased instability in the region, and made Middle-Eats supplies less reliable ? Cheers, Ron. - -- I prefer the most unjust peace to the most righteous war. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:58:00 -0500 From: Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... I'm really bad about not changing the address....... - -----Original Message----- From: jasonbassett-at-juno.com Subj: Re: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:53 pm Size: 2K To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Hmmmm.......you are probably right to some extent on all points. I think invading the middle east was a bad idea, but certain people over there formerly had more control over their oil than they now do, and that has freed up some oil in some areas, closed off some in others. Demand is certainly up due to military usage, millions of barrels a year. The middle east war is the one major disagreement I have with most "conservatives," including Limbaugh. I still think that keeping all the US oil in the ground is PRIMARILY a Democrat/Green party idea, but unfortunately, there definitely are some non-thinking Republicans on board that wagon, too. J - -----Original Message----- From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subj: Re: Fwd: Re: [db] oil prices, a thank you... Date: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:02 pm Size: 2K To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net On Saturday 17 November 2007, my mailbox was graced by a missive from jasonbassett-at-juno.com who wrote: > I can't read that right now, but we CAN thank the dems for high oil prices, > and they still come off as heroes to their uninformed base. Here's how it > works: > > 1. Block use of our own oil resources through ridiculous environmental > regulation, keeping as much of our oil in the ground as possible, assuring > that it goes unused. This makes the environmentalist groups think the Dems > are wonderful champions of the environment, and they give the Dems lots of > money and positive publicity. > > 2. Unfortunately for we the people, this creates a greater dependence on > foreign oil and an artificial shortage, driving up the price. Then the Dems > get to be the "heroes" of the "poor and freezing" who "can't afford" to buy > heating oil (but who somehow always seem to be able to afford the > cel-phones they talk on incessantly and the liquor and cigarettes they suck > down ad nauseum.) This gives the Dems a great excuse to practice wealth > redistribution and increase their own power. > > I really can't take full credit for this bit of wisdom; Rush Limbaugh came > up with this explanation of how the Dems make US oil prices high and then > capitalize on it. But I wholeheartedly agree with it. Look around and you > can see that it's an accurate assessment. I always understood that it was official Republican policy to exhaust the oil ressources outside the US and keep US reserves in the grouns, to make sure you have oil available when the rest of the world runs out. And dont you think the high price of oil is due in a great part to your idiotic war in Iraq, which has increased instability in the region, and made Middle-Eats supplies less reliable ? Cheers, Ron. - -- I prefer the most unjust peace to the most righteous war. -- Marcus Tullius Cicero -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:06:52 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] this and that - - no word on my remote jeep projects... the black hole in centralia is still not emitting light, soundwaves, electrical signals or worse... jeeps. '91 GW getting the 6.2L Diesel, the '83 J10 stepside, dismantled since 2001... and the '67 J100 Panel... - - the 300GD on ebay has been bid up to 11,100... add another grand to get it home and it's out of my price range... :) - - running biodiesel in my '91 300D, doing well with it... - - still haven't finished the exhaust manifold on the '89 GW - - a buddy just picked up a '55 Willys Panel project! - - found a guy willing to trade an old 2 cyl Onan Gen/Welder for my Warn M8000 winch. :) - - only 6 more weekends to finish my masters... (16 feb 08) - - anyone had troubles with an xfr case that has had the chain get too stretched? the '99 WJ needs it replaced, and wondering how critical this is... - - ran across some interesting links... the first was forwarded by a friend, very informative and useful for current news items... http://www.globalincidentmap.com/home.php - - these other two involve global warming and such... http://junkscience.com http://UltimateGlobalWarmingChallenge.com hope you all have a nice thanksgiving day... well for the US types. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2594 **********************************