From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Nov 20 21:17:38 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, November 21 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2595 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] load question Re: [db] load question Re: [db] load question Re: [db] load question [db] starting issues again Re: [db] starting issues again Re: xj: Re: Re: [db] starting issues again Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:40:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] load question have a heavy item to carry in the back of my WJ. (99). it's dimensions are: 42" long, 27" tall, 20" wide, & Very HEAVY I figure it weighs around 600lbs. it's a welder generator... trading my warn winch for it. :) anyway, I measured the opening in the back, it's 31" tall... width and depth aren't a problem. it's got an Onan 2 cylinder engine attached to a 5KW generator/welder, so that's where the 600lbs comes in. we're planning on using a shop crane to put it in the back... I'm thinking we could put a piece of plywood on the floor of the jeep and then scoot the generator back in once it's on the board... you know, it's a portable unit, but I can't remember if it has wheels... if it does, this shouldn't be a big problem... right? or should I just hook up my 2,000lb hydraulic dump trailer and drag it the 60 miles up I-5 to retrieve it and not risk tearing up the inside of the WJ? hmmm... trailer, or wrestling match... will only save a couple of miles per gallon... trailer makes the most sense I guess... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:31:10 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] load question I would use the trailer since you've got it. I've done enough damage to my various vehicle's interiors with the "it'll just slip in" mode of thinking. J.B. At 11:40 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote: >have a heavy item to carry in the back of my WJ. (99). > >it's dimensions are: 42" long, 27" tall, 20" wide, & Very HEAVY >I figure it weighs around 600lbs. > >it's a welder generator... trading my warn winch for it. :) > >anyway, I measured the opening in the back, it's 31" tall... width >and depth aren't a problem. > >it's got an Onan 2 cylinder engine attached to a 5KW generator/welder, >so that's where the 600lbs comes in. > >we're planning on using a shop crane to put it in the back... I'm thinking >we could put a piece of plywood on the floor of the jeep and then scoot >the generator back in once it's on the board... > >you know, it's a portable unit, but I can't remember if it has wheels... if >it does, this shouldn't be a big problem... > >right? > >or should I just hook up my 2,000lb hydraulic dump trailer and drag >it the 60 miles >up I-5 to retrieve it and not risk tearing up the inside of the WJ? > >hmmm... trailer, or wrestling match... will only save a couple of >miles per gallon... >trailer makes the most sense I guess... > >john > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >* there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: >11/20/2007 11:34 AM J.B. Hebert - ---------------------------------------------- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:42:58 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] load question v.true! John... is that 27" tall with or without the wheels tho' ? (if it has wheels) ;-) 27" + wheels mightn't fit ;-) Steve On Nov 20, 2007 3:31 PM, J.B. Hebert wrote: > I would use the trailer since you've got it. I've done enough damage > to my various vehicle's interiors with the "it'll just slip in" mode > of thinking. > > J.B. > > At 11:40 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote: > > >have a heavy item to carry in the back of my WJ. (99). > > > >it's dimensions are: 42" long, 27" tall, 20" wide, & Very HEAVY > >I figure it weighs around 600lbs. > > > >it's a welder generator... trading my warn winch for it. :) > > > >anyway, I measured the opening in the back, it's 31" tall... width > >and depth aren't a problem. > > > >it's got an Onan 2 cylinder engine attached to a 5KW generator/welder, > >so that's where the 600lbs comes in. > > > >we're planning on using a shop crane to put it in the back... I'm > thinking > >we could put a piece of plywood on the floor of the jeep and then scoot > >the generator back in once it's on the board... > > > >you know, it's a portable unit, but I can't remember if it has wheels... > if > >it does, this shouldn't be a big problem... > > > >right? > > > >or should I just hook up my 2,000lb hydraulic dump trailer and drag > >it the 60 miles > >up I-5 to retrieve it and not risk tearing up the inside of the WJ? > > > >hmmm... trailer, or wrestling match... will only save a couple of > >miles per gallon... > >trailer makes the most sense I guess... > > > >john > > > > ----- > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >* there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the > solution? > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: > >11/20/2007 11:34 AM > > J.B. Hebert > > ---------------------------------------------- > Current Vehicles: > > '76 Ford Bronco > '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > '93 GMC Sierra 2500 > '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 - Release Date: > 11/20/2007 11:34 AM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:48:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] load question that seems to be the prevailing wisdom... thanx. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, J.B. Hebert wrote: # I would use the trailer since you've got it. I've # done enough damage to my various vehicle's # interiors with the "it'll just slip in" mode of # thinking. # # J.B. # # At 11:40 PM 11/19/2007, you wrote: # # >have a heavy item to carry in the back of my WJ. # >(99). # > # >it's dimensions are: 42" long, 27" tall, 20" # >wide, & Very HEAVY # >I figure it weighs around 600lbs. # > # >it's a welder generator... trading my warn winch # >for it. :) # > # >anyway, I measured the opening in the back, it's # >31" tall... width # >and depth aren't a problem. # > # >it's got an Onan 2 cylinder engine attached to a # >5KW generator/welder, # >so that's where the 600lbs comes in. # > # >we're planning on using a shop crane to put it in # >the back... I'm thinking # >we could put a piece of plywood on the floor of # >the jeep and then scoot # >the generator back in once it's on the board... # > # >you know, it's a portable unit, but I can't # >remember if it has wheels... if # >it does, this shouldn't be a big problem... # > # >right? # > # >or should I just hook up my 2,000lb hydraulic # >dump trailer and drag it the 60 miles # >up I-5 to retrieve it and not risk tearing up the # >inside of the WJ? # > # >hmmm... trailer, or wrestling match... will # >only save a couple of miles per gallon... # >trailer makes the most sense I guess... # > # >john # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps # > don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com * ** # >http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # >* there's a solution for every problem; problem # >is can we afford the solution? # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > # >-- # >No virus found in this incoming message. # >Checked by AVG Free Edition. # >Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.1/1141 # >- Release Date: 11/20/2007 11:34 AM # # J.B. Hebert # # ---------------------------------------------- # Current Vehicles: # # '76 Ford Bronco # '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 # '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe # '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) # '93 GMC Sierra 2500 # '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] starting issues again had the regulator replaced new battery... this morning the battery wouldn't start the car... ('91 300d). different than before though, before the system was completely dead... now it glows, turns it over just enough to tease... then does the really low slow motion sound... thinking that the alternator is still not right OR, something is leaking/draining the battery... suspects: alarm system stereo john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:32:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] starting issues again update. (alternator/battery issue '91 300D... every now and then it doesn't start... charge it, it starts) connected the battery charger to positive terminal, and to car chassis, charging at about 3Amps (after driving home! this means the battery was NOT charged), disconnected the battery, amp gauge dropped down to about 500 mA... wait, I have a Jeep stereo connected to the OTHER battery (using jumper cables from the other battery to my benz...) (maybe I should take a picture... well, maybe I shouldn't... ;) and it was playing, reached over, turned it off, and the amp gauge on the charger dropped to zero.... THIS INDICATES there is nothing of any significance draining my battery... to prove my theory I reached over and opened the passenger door... the amp gauge jumped up a bit, not significantly... which is what one would expect. closed the door. amp gauge went down to zero. turned the car stereo on the bench back on, it jumped up a little bit... reconnected the battery, and the guage jumped up to about 3A. left it charging for about 1.5 hrs, still at over 2A. mechanic suggested I disconnect the battery and then reconnect tomorrow to see if it starts, his theory is that would show there is a discharge... well, that might have worked if the battery was already charged up. :) I think I have to buy another alternator... NOT cheap. wholesale is around $250 bucks, you don't want to know retail... the 2.5L Turbo Diesel is a superb engine, but not nearly as common as all the other Benz engines so stuff like this isn't available... dang, only got 238,000 miles out of that alternator, what's the world coming to anyway? :) so, I put my other good battery in the trunk with jumper cables... charging my battery... will make the expensive call in the morning... anyone got a used 2.5L TD '91 ish alternator sitting around? They only sell for $65 at a yard if they have one... got one off of a 300E, but it didn't fit... I should have had the mechanic swap the guts thinking about it now... oh well... sure wish my Grand Wagoneer were here so I had another vehicle to get to work in... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, john wrote: # had the regulator replaced # new battery... # # this morning the battery wouldn't start the car... ('91 300d). # # different than before though, before the system was completely # dead... now it glows, turns it over just enough to tease... then # does the really low slow motion sound... # # thinking that the alternator is still not right OR, # something is leaking/draining the battery... # # suspects: # alarm system # stereo # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 21:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: xj: Re: Re: [db] starting issues again hey, that's not a bad idea... going to try: http://car-part.com thanx Jesse! actually found one with the right year for $100! it's over in UT so I could have it by next week... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, Jesse Barbieri wrote: # John, # # I would try http://usedpartsformel.com/ # # They are located in Great Barrington, mass and they are really great guys. I # drive from Kingston, Ny to go there because I know they have the parts I need # at the price I want. Also, mark and brian are great guys. It's worth a # shot. # Good luck! # # Jesse. # ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" # To: "diesel-benz list" # Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:32 PM # Subject: xj: Re: [db] starting issues again # # # > update. (alternator/battery issue '91 300D... every # > now and then it doesn't start... charge it, it starts) # > # > connected the battery charger to positive terminal, # > and to car chassis, charging at about 3Amps (after # > driving home! this means the battery was NOT charged), # > disconnected the battery, amp gauge dropped down to about # > 500 mA... wait, I have a Jeep stereo connected to # > the OTHER battery (using jumper cables from the other # > battery to my benz...) (maybe I should take a picture... # > well, maybe I shouldn't... ;) and it was playing, # > reached over, turned it off, and the amp gauge on # > the charger dropped to zero.... # > # > THIS INDICATES there is nothing of any significance # > draining my battery... to prove my theory I reached # > over and opened the passenger door... the amp gauge # > jumped up a bit, not significantly... which is # > what one would expect. closed the door. amp gauge # > went down to zero. turned the car stereo on the # > bench back on, it jumped up a little bit... # > # > reconnected the battery, and the guage jumped up # > to about 3A. left it charging for about 1.5 hrs, still # > at over 2A. # > # > mechanic suggested I disconnect the battery and then # > reconnect tomorrow to see if it starts, his theory is # > that would show there is a discharge... well, that might # > have worked if the battery was already charged up. :) # > # > I think I have to buy another alternator... NOT cheap. # > wholesale is around $250 bucks, you don't want to know # > retail... the 2.5L Turbo Diesel is a superb engine, but # > not nearly as common as all the other Benz engines so # > stuff like this isn't available... dang, only got 238,000 # > miles out of that alternator, what's the world coming to # > anyway? :) # > # > so, I put my other good battery in the trunk with jumper # > cables... charging my battery... will make the expensive # > call in the morning... anyone got a used 2.5L TD '91 ish # > alternator sitting around? They only sell for $65 at # > a yard if they have one... got one off of a 300E, but # > it didn't fit... I should have had the mechanic swap # > the guts thinking about it now... oh well... # > # > sure wish my Grand Wagoneer were here so I had another # > vehicle to get to work in... # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the # > solution? # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, john wrote: # > # > # had the regulator replaced # > # new battery... # > # # > # this morning the battery wouldn't start the car... ('91 300d). # > # # > # different than before though, before the system was completely # > # dead... now it glows, turns it over just enough to tease... then # > # does the really low slow motion sound... # > # # > # thinking that the alternator is still not right OR, # > # something is leaking/draining the battery... # > # # > # suspects: # > # alarm system # > # stereo # > # # > # john # > # # > # ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > # http://freegift.com * ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # * there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the # > solution? # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # # > # > __________ NOD32 2674 (20071121) Information __________ # > # > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. # > http://www.eset.com # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2595 **********************************