From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 5 05:58:31 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, December 5 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2607 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Re: [db] Mosport does exist! [none] Hood ornament swap? [db] [db] new sights for pedestrian traffic [db] Seattle weather and driving... [db] Centralia flooding Re: [db] Centralia flooding Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:11:24 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! you won't burn the valves... if you removed the exhaust manifold completely I'm not sure you'd burn the valves on a Diesel... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Hmmmm! That sounds like an opportunity to get in on some serious motorage fun! # # Something that would be fun, if a total waste, would be to take a 123 turbo diesel, clog the wastegate, turn up the IP, cut off the muffler, and see what kind of fun could be had with it before something goes bang. Definitely something to try on an engine you're about to get rebuilt anyway, because it might well ruin it. But I bet it'd be really fun while it lasted! Who knows, someone that knew what they were doing could probably make one pull some good times before it blew up. # # Reminds me, the muffler on my '84 turbo diesel had a hole in it, so I just cut it off and piped to the back. It sounds like a flowmaster system now because of the resonator, which would be really fun, except that that's the one with piston slap that is so loud it almost obscures even the flowmaster sound. # # I don't particularly care on this clunker motor, but is no muffler that bad for these motors? It runs better, probably because of the improved flow and reduced backpressure, but am I going to burn the valves or something? # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # From: "Richard P. Welty" # Subj: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! # Date: Tue Dec 4, 2007 7:16 am # Size: 598 bytes # To: diesel-benz list # cc: full size jeep list ; xj-list ; diesel john # # john wrote: # > I was told that Mosport didn't exist anymore... several Canadian # > friends in fact... told me it became a housing development... # > # > watching dream car garage they were at mosport with a bunch of # > porsches!!! so I goggled and found it... just like I left it in 1974. :) # > # hmm. i'm scheduled to be chief of tech for the SCCA National race there # next summer. # i certainly hope it's still there. # # by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA races where i'm working. # # cheers, # richard # (chief of tech, New York Region SCCA # and Mohawk-Hudson Region SCCA) # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:06:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! # by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA races where i'm working. comp? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Richard P. Welty wrote: # john wrote: # > I was told that Mosport didn't exist anymore... several Canadian # > friends in fact... told me it became a housing development... # > # > watching dream car garage they were at mosport with a bunch of # > porsches!!! so I goggled and found it... just like I left it in 1974. :) # > # hmm. i'm scheduled to be chief of tech for the SCCA National race there next # summer. # i certainly hope it's still there. # # by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA races where i'm working. # # cheers, # richard # (chief of tech, New York Region SCCA # and Mohawk-Hudson Region SCCA) # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! My guess was "complimentary" which is a fantastic deal for anyone in the area. I'd love to Richard up on that deal! :) I've been to Road America here in Wisc. a few times. I'd love to go more. Maybe this summer. Jim - --- john wrote: > # by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA > races where i'm working. > > comp? > > john > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Richard P. Welty wrote: > > # john wrote: > # > I was told that Mosport didn't exist anymore... > several Canadian > # > friends in fact... told me it became a housing > development... > # > > # > watching dream car garage they were at mosport > with a bunch of > # > porsches!!! so I goggled and found it... just > like I left it in 1974. :) > # > > # hmm. i'm scheduled to be chief of tech for the > SCCA National race there next > # summer. > # i certainly hope it's still there. > # > # by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA > races where i'm working. > # > # cheers, > # richard > # (chief of tech, New York Region SCCA > # and Mohawk-Hudson Region SCCA) > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:30:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! out here we have a track down south of Seattle... SIR, Seattle international raceway... went down there for Jeep 101 several years ago... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Jim Hoffman wrote: # My guess was "complimentary" which is a fantastic deal # for anyone in the area. I'd love to Richard up on # that deal! :) I've been to Road America here in # Wisc. a few times. I'd love to go more. Maybe this # summer. # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > # by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA # > races where i'm working. # > # > comp? # > # > john # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Richard P. Welty wrote: # > # > # john wrote: # > # > I was told that Mosport didn't exist anymore... # > several Canadian # > # > friends in fact... told me it became a housing # > development... # > # > # > # > watching dream car garage they were at mosport # > with a bunch of # > # > porsches!!! so I goggled and found it... just # > like I left it in 1974. :) # > # > # > # hmm. i'm scheduled to be chief of tech for the # > SCCA National race there next # > # summer. # > # i certainly hope it's still there. # > # # > # by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA # > races where i'm working. # > # # > # cheers, # > # richard # > # (chief of tech, New York Region SCCA # > # and Mohawk-Hudson Region SCCA) # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:30:20 -0500 From: "Richard P. Welty" Subject: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! john wrote: > out here we have a track down south of Seattle... SIR, > Seattle international raceway... went down there for Jeep 101 > several years ago... > it's now called Pacific Raceways, which is its original name. the Fiorito family built the track in 1959 and operated it under that name until 1976. they then leased the track for 20 years to the outfit that ran it as SIR, and when the lease expired, reverted it back to its old name and started operating it themselves again. yes, comp means complimentary. one of the perks of being an SCCA race official is being able to put names on the guest list at registration. the downside for guests is that they need to show up while registration is open, and registration hours are for the convenience of race teams and workers, not spectators (that is, registration typically shuts down at 9am or 10am.) i chief a number of races at lime rock every year, will chief mosport this coming summer, and from time to time work at other tracks like pocono and watkins glen. if you were an SCCA member, you could call up central licensing in Topeka, get a regional license of some form (no experience required, all on the job training) and show for any race you wanted. but then we'd expect you to work. richard (been working SCCA tech inspection since 1993.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:46:23 -0500 From: Marc Z Subject: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Hi Richard, I used to pit marshall at the Rolex 24 at Daytona in early January for the SCCA. That was fun work. I've considered running my '83 300D Turbo sedan in one of those intown SCCA races here in NC just to see how it would do.... Marc Z. Richard P. Welty wrote: > john wrote: >> I was told that Mosport didn't exist anymore... several Canadian >> friends in fact... told me it became a housing development... >> >> watching dream car garage they were at mosport with a bunch of >> porsches!!! so I goggled and found it... just like I left it in >> 1974. :) >> > hmm. i'm scheduled to be chief of tech for the SCCA National race > there next summer. > i certainly hope it's still there. > > by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA races where i'm working. > > cheers, > richard > (chief of tech, New York Region SCCA > and Mohawk-Hudson Region SCCA) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:03:46 -0800 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: [none] Listers, Has anyone changed out their hood ornament on a 123? I would like to hear anyone's experience before I attack the thing with a pair of pliers. It seems that I should twist the spring assembly on the bottom to release it, anyone have a hint? I have a new (old not broken) replacement star, and would like to put things to right. thanks for any info. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:05:03 -0800 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Hood ornament swap? [db] - ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Masterson To: Diesel Benz Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:03 PM Listers, Has anyone changed out their hood ornament on a 123? I would like to hear anyone's experience before I attack the thing with a pair of pliers. It seems that I should twist the spring assembly on the bottom to release it, anyone have a hint? I have a new (old not broken) replacement star, and would like to put things to right. thanks for any info. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] new sights for pedestrian traffic yes, I believe that's the way it's done... I'd soak it in some light oil first: wd-40, amsoil mp, pbblaster... don't force it. pretty sure it's held in place by a spring and a clip. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Paul Masterson wrote: # Listers, # # Has anyone changed out their hood ornament on a 123? I would like to hear # anyone's experience before I attack the thing with a pair of pliers. It seems # that I should twist the spring assembly on the bottom to release it, anyone # have a hint? # # I have a new (old not broken) replacement star, and would like to put things # to right. # # thanks for any info. # # Paul # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:23:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Seattle weather and driving... most recent local pictures (details below) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/12-Dec-04-Rain-Flood-Seattle-by-Ship/ it started with Snow on Saturday/Sunday: http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/12-Dec-01-snow/ALL.html started to melt, turned to rain, more rain and, well you can see: (note the wake that the WJ creates. :) (note the stalled Vette) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/12-Dec-04-Rain-Flood-Seattle-by-Ship/RAIN-FLOOD/ALL.html our annual group recognition lunch was hosted on a cruise ship in Elliott Bay in Seattle... (chicken and salmon), two directories, one just showing some random shots in Seattle via the bus, the other shots taken from the ship in the Puget Sound... it did rain near the end, winds weren't too bad and the ship was stable... a rainbow appeared as we pulled in... :) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/12-Dec-04-Rain-Flood-Seattle-by-Ship/Seattle_City/ALL.html http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/12-Dec-04-Rain-Flood-Seattle-by-Ship/Ship_Shots/ALL.html misc local shots (sunrise, snow, blue screen of death on my computers, traffic) http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2007/12-Dec-04-Rain-Flood-Seattle-by-Ship/Misc_Local/ALL.html (note: links to ALL.html will load all the pictures, if you're on dialup I suggest NOT using that but looking at individual pictures...) in other news(MLC), the alternator for my '91 300D turned out to be bad... driving the '99 WJ... hoping to get the '89 GW titled tomorrow and running, it's up on ebay, selling it to make room for other projects: Item number: 160187113893 Also decided to sell my '67 J100 panel, it's Item number: 160187117440 Hoping to get the '91 GW back soon, will also have the '83 J10 reassembled so I can bring it home too... hence the sale of the other two... :) later ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:23:58 -0800 From: Bruce Caruthers Subject: [db] Centralia flooding So, John, with all the flooding in Centralia, are your black hole jeeps still above water? http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20071204/621Severe_Weather_ORPOR118_654374404122007.jpg http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/popupV2.asp?SubID=3312&page=3>itle=Flooding%20at%20Centralia%20and%20over%20I%2D5&pubdate=12/04/2007 - -bkc Lynnwood, WA (his) '76 MB 240D [W115.117/616.916] (hers) '92 Toyota Celica GT (ours) '93 MB 300D 2.5 Turbo [W124.128/602.962] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Centralia flooding On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Bruce Caruthers wrote: # So, John, with all the flooding in Centralia, are # your black hole jeeps still above water? # # http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20071204/621Severe_Weather_ORPOR118_654374404122007.jpg # # http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/popupV2.asp?SubID=3312&page=3>itle=Flooding%20at%20Centralia%20and%20over%20I%2D5&pubdate=12/04/2007 # No word from the Black Hole since Sept 21... and that's way before the floods... I can't get my bearings with those pictures... the jeeps are between 3rd & 4th St on H. pretty much the highest ground in the area... due east of the I-5 interchange with Harrison... any more pictures available? :) my jeeps are insured... one of the very irritating things... been paying money on something that's just sitting... but worth it if they are flooded... but chances are the water isn't high enough to get them... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:53:49 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Mosport does exist! Well well! I could probably be to your house in about 2 hours then! Head right down 29 out of L-Burg VA. So.......how far from your house to the races, and.......what would it cost to get in? I already adjusted the accelerator linkage to make that give me all it had.......turning up the IP is easy, and it's already sans muffler.....it's about ready to race, huh? (I'd probably not modify the turbo for that, just because although I'm willing to gamble on that old klunker engine's life, I'd really rather not write it a sure death sentence.) I wonder what the penalty would be for throwing off so much diesel smoke that people behind you can't see. 8^) Even if this never happens, I'm having lots of fun fantasizing about it! J - ---Original Message--- Hi Jason, I'm south of Danville, VA, about 25 miles and north of Mebane, NC, in the country. It is interesting that you mention a spring. In my '83 300D Turbo Sedan, one of the springs makes a twanging sound every once in a while, like it's reseating..... Marc. jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > Get one that needs a rebuilt engine soon and turn it waaaaaay up! That would be fun! > > Wait a minute, I've got one of those......... > > Where in NC? ;^) > > (For those of you who don't remember, I'm in VA.) > > It would be fun to see what my '84 300D Turbo could do. > > Let's see......replace bad CV joint I've been stalling on for almost a year, replace bad rear spring to make handling a little more civilized (been ignoring that issue, too......amazing how well they still handle even when limping.......) and then turn up the HEAT! > > Well, a guy can dream! > > J > > -- Marc Z wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I used to pit marshall at the Rolex 24 at Daytona in early January for > the SCCA. That was fun work. > > I've considered running my '83 300D Turbo sedan in one of those intown > SCCA races here in NC just to see how it would do.... > > Marc Z. > > Richard P. Welty wrote: > >> john wrote: >> >>> I was told that Mosport didn't exist anymore... several Canadian >>> friends in fact... told me it became a housing development... >>> >>> watching dream car garage they were at mosport with a bunch of >>> porsches!!! so I goggled and found it... just like I left it in >>> 1974. :) >>> >>> >> hmm. i'm scheduled to be chief of tech for the SCCA National race >> there next summer. >> i certainly hope it's still there. >> >> by the way, i can usually comp people into SCCA races where i'm working. >> >> cheers, >> richard >> (chief of tech, New York Region SCCA >> and Mohawk-Hudson Region SCCA) ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2607 **********************************