From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Dec 19 05:20:44 2007 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, December 19 2007 Volume 01 : Number 2615 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Alec's car 8^) Re: [db] Alec's car 8^)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8 Re: [db] Alec's car 8^)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8 Re: [db] Alec's car 8^)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8 [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:13:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Alec's car 8^) got the link again, will be fun to watch... I don't think I ever looked at big bertha... just the item id is good... happy bidding alec, hope you get it, whatever it is. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # It's closing tonight, I think at about 10 Eastern, though I'm guessing Alec's # in Central time, which would put it at 9. # # This should be fun! # # J # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:28:20 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Alec's car 8^)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8 maybe jason needs to buy it and hold it for you. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Alec Cordova wrote: # Darn it! I really, really can't afford to spend my money on a car # right now, but this one's only at $4,000, and even my bank thinks it's # worth $8K to $11K. # # Still, the reserve has not yet been met. Maybe the seller is holding # out with a high reserve and it won't sell at all. At 4 or 5 thousand, # this one's a steal. # # Why, oh why, did you find this car for me. Just because I went on and # on about exactly what I'm looking for is no reason to go and find it. # ;-) # # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 89 300CE, 231K # # On Dec 18, 2007 7:02 AM, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > It's closing tonight, I think at about 10 Eastern, though I'm guessing Alec's # > in Central time, which would put it at 9. # > # > This should be fun! # > # > J # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:54:37 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Alec's car 8^)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8 If I had just a little more liquidity in my own life right now, I would likely do just that! It would certainly be a fun car to have, even if only for a few months before delivering it to the loving care of the Dieseler who has fantasized about it for the last year. 8^) I certainly hope you get it. J - -- john wrote: maybe jason needs to buy it and hold it for you. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Alec Cordova wrote: # Darn it! I really, really can't afford to spend my money on a car # right now, but this one's only at $4,000, and even my bank thinks it's # worth $8K to $11K. # # Still, the reserve has not yet been met. Maybe the seller is holding # out with a high reserve and it won't sell at all. At 4 or 5 thousand, # this one's a steal. # # Why, oh why, did you find this car for me. Just because I went on and # on about exactly what I'm looking for is no reason to go and find it. # ;-) # # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 89 300CE, 231K # # On Dec 18, 2007 7:02 AM, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > It's closing tonight, I think at about 10 Eastern, though I'm guessing Alec's # > in Central time, which would put it at 9. # > # > This should be fun! # > # > J # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:57:57 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Alec's car 8^)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Fe11OlMiz8 In case the first one only went to John... If my own life had a bit more liquidity in it, I would most certainly do just that. It would be a fun car to baby for a few months before delivering it to the loving care of the Dieseler who has fantasized about it for the last year. 8^) I guess that fantasy to me was a good enough reason to go out and find it for him. 8^) J - -- john wrote: maybe jason needs to buy it and hold it for you. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Alec Cordova wrote: # Darn it! I really, really can't afford to spend my money on a car # right now, but this one's only at $4,000, and even my bank thinks it's # worth $8K to $11K. # # Still, the reserve has not yet been met. Maybe the seller is holding # out with a high reserve and it won't sell at all. At 4 or 5 thousand, # this one's a steal. # # Why, oh why, did you find this car for me. Just because I went on and # on about exactly what I'm looking for is no reason to go and find it. # ;-) # # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 89 300CE, 231K # # On Dec 18, 2007 7:02 AM, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > It's closing tonight, I think at about 10 Eastern, though I'm guessing Alec's # > in Central time, which would put it at 9. # > # > This should be fun! # > # > J # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:00:09 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! I actually started this one. Please read it. J - ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Hello, I do not normally send out messages in hopes of starting a chain e-mail, but I feel that this issue is too urgent to ignore. I generally follow the news, and was very surprised to see that an insidious "energy policy" bill has slid through both the U.S. House and Senate, and I did not know about it. I usually call my representatives when something like this is coming up for a vote, but I didn't hear about it until too late, probably on purpose. The mainstream media likes to keep these kinds of things hushed-up so that the legislators DON'T hear outcry from us. Read about it here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_energy;_ylt=ArR8ZhMrYQKZZuegsw0zPNis0NUE This type of legislation is politically correct, environmentally fashionable, and has a great deal of support from "liberals" and "progressives," but this legislation is totally arbitrary, could be economically disastrous, is environmentally unnecessary, and is an unconstitutional meddling in the free market. It will hurt everyone, from the auto workers in Detroit, to your Grandma shopping for a new refrigerator. Probably the worst part is its emphasis on and mandate of increased ethanol production combined with a 40% hike in the requirements for automobile fuel efficiency. Ethanol gets much worse fuel economy than gasoline (about 33% less, making the 40% fuel economy mandate even harder to meet) and this ethanol mandate also rules out the only reasonable way that the new vehicle fuel economy standards could possibly be met: clean diesels. It also requires increased "efficiency" for multitudes of household appliances and commercial and government buildings. The bottom line: this bill will make everything more expensive, driving up the cost of living, and make cars really small, dangerous, and boring. There is only one recourse left to us (humanly speaking, that is:) we MUST bombard the President with comments requesting that he veto the bill. Sane people can do no less. Here is the contact information from www.whitehouse.gov: (use the phone or e-mail; anything else will be too slow.) Phone Numbers Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461 TTY/TDD Comments: 202-456-6213 Visitors Office: 202-456-2121 E-Mail Email: comments-at-whitehouse.gov Tell them that you believe the energy bill is bad, and that you urge the President to veto it. Please help spread the word, and be certain to actually call YOURSELF. Don't assume that the next person will even read this message, much less call the President. I hope I get this back many times; that will prove that this message has at least been read and forwarded. Thank you for caring about America. Sincerely, Jason Bassett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:38:40 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! On Dec 18, 2007 4:00 PM, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > The bottom line: this > bill will make everything more expensive, driving up the cost of living, and > make cars really small, dangerous, and boring. > The 96 BMW Z4 we had for a few years was small, safe (through good engineering), a BLAST to drive, and got as high as 38MPG on the highway, with about 32MPG overall. I really dislike the tactic of saying that higher fuel economy mandates can only be met with smaller cars, and the corollary that smaller cars are always boring and unsafe. I'm not stating a position here on the energy bill, just on the rhetoric. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 231K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:57:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Remember that the CAFE mandate includes light trucks, and those have to have certain things to be viable that defy a 35mpg average, therefore that has to be made up somewhere. And even your Beemer fell short of the required 35 overall. Also, statistics show that a disproportionate number of people die in small-car accidents compared to the percentage of people driving them. That's why I said dangerous. I know some people like small cars, and that's their choice, but we shouldn't be forced to buy small cars by a government mandate. J - -----Original Message----- From: "Alec Cordova" Subj: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:38 pm Size: 692 bytes To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net On Dec 18, 2007 4:00 PM, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > The bottom line: this > bill will make everything more expensive, driving up the cost of living, and > make cars really small, dangerous, and boring. > The 96 BMW Z4 we had for a few years was small, safe (through good engineering), a BLAST to drive, and got as high as 38MPG on the highway, with about 32MPG overall. I really dislike the tactic of saying that higher fuel economy mandates can only be met with smaller cars, and the corollary that smaller cars are always boring and unsafe. I'm not stating a position here on the energy bill, just on the rhetoric. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 231K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:21:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! there are small cars that are safe, and there are small cars that are not. typically asian small cars are not safe... while most european, non-french or non-italian, are. VW, audi, bmw, mb, saab and volvo tend to be quite safe... have seen a few accidents in europe... would not want to be in any french or italian car... of course, how many are we even able to buy here? :) I would like to see data by make / model on fatalities... I'm thinking hondas, while very nice cars, are extremely unsafe... they're not very solid... any one know of data like that? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Remember that the CAFE mandate includes light trucks, and those have to have certain things to be viable that defy a 35mpg average, therefore that has to be made up somewhere. And even your Beemer fell short of the required 35 overall. # # Also, statistics show that a disproportionate number of people die in small-car accidents compared to the percentage of people driving them. That's why I said dangerous. I know some people like small cars, and that's their choice, but we shouldn't be forced to buy small cars by a government mandate. # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # From: "Alec Cordova" # Subj: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! # Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:38 pm # Size: 692 bytes # To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # On Dec 18, 2007 4:00 PM, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > The bottom line: this # > bill will make everything more expensive, driving up the cost of living, and # > make cars really small, dangerous, and boring. # > # # The 96 BMW Z4 we had for a few years was small, safe (through good # engineering), a BLAST to drive, and got as high as 38MPG on the # highway, with about 32MPG overall. # # I really dislike the tactic of saying that higher fuel economy # mandates can only be met with smaller cars, and the corollary that # smaller cars are always boring and unsafe. # # I'm not stating a position here on the energy bill, just on the rhetoric. # # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 89 300CE, 231K # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:49:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > Remember that the CAFE mandate includes light trucks, and those have to > have certain things to be viable that defy a 35mpg average, therefore that > has to be made up somewhere. And even your Beemer fell short of the > required 35 overall. > > Also, statistics show that a disproportionate number of people die in > small-car accidents compared to the percentage of people driving them. *** Could that be because everybody else has bigger cars? > That's why I said dangerous. I know some people like small cars, and > that's their choice, but we shouldn't be forced to buy small cars by a > government mandate. *** One unintended consequence of producing lots of ethanol is a rise in the price of food. Ethanol is made of corn, and so is much of the things we eat. Cows are essentially four-legged machines for turning corn into milk and meat. I'm told that the price of corn has quadrupled this year. This translates directly into higher prices for dairy products and meat. Probably poultry too. And the production of corn is - guess what - intensive in its use of fossil fuels! Seems like you can't win. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:23:14 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! unless you use a Diesel... which, ladies and gentlemen, is why we're here... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # > Remember that the CAFE mandate includes light trucks, and those have to # > have certain things to be viable that defy a 35mpg average, therefore that # > has to be made up somewhere. And even your Beemer fell short of the # > required 35 overall. # > # > Also, statistics show that a disproportionate number of people die in # > small-car accidents compared to the percentage of people driving them. # *** Could that be because everybody else has bigger cars? # # # > That's why I said dangerous. I know some people like small cars, and # > that's their choice, but we shouldn't be forced to buy small cars by a # > government mandate. # # *** One unintended consequence of producing lots of ethanol is a rise in the price # of food. Ethanol is made of corn, and so is much of the things we eat. Cows are # essentially four-legged machines for turning corn into milk and meat. I'm told that # the price of corn has quadrupled this year. This translates directly into higher prices for dairy # products and meat. Probably poultry too. # # And the production of corn is - guess what - intensive in its use of fossil fuels! Seems # like you can't win. # # - Jerry Kaidor # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 8:13:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! The food supply thing was a large part of my point with making everything more expensive. I meant to be clearer about that, but I was in a hurry to get it out, as the President was expected to sign it today. About everybody else having big cars: that's their choice! Free country! ......Well, used to be...... - -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Kaidor Subj: Re: [db] Fw: Urgent legislative item! Tell your friends! Date: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:18 pm Size: 1K To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > Remember that the CAFE mandate includes light trucks, and those have to > have certain things to be viable that defy a 35mpg average, therefore that > has to be made up somewhere. And even your Beemer fell short of the > required 35 overall. > > Also, statistics show that a disproportionate number of people die in > small-car accidents compared to the percentage of people driving them. *** Could that be because everybody else has bigger cars? > That's why I said dangerous. I know some people like small cars, and > that's their choice, but we shouldn't be forced to buy small cars by a > government mandate. *** One unintended consequence of producing lots of ethanol is a rise in the price of food. Ethanol is made of corn, and so is much of the things we eat. Cows are essentially four-legged machines for turning corn into milk and meat. I'm told that the price of corn has quadrupled this year. This translates directly into higher prices for dairy products and meat. Probably poultry too. And the production of corn is - guess what - intensive in its use of fossil fuels! Seems like you can't win. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2615 **********************************