From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 4 07:32:18 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, January 4 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2626 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] W124 block heater again [db] Anybody pull a head on an OM617? [db] relisted Panel truck Re: [db] Anybody pull a head on an OM617? [db] Vehicle Reliablity Surveys [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] W124 block heater again yes, the days of Diesel winning popularity in the minds of the general population are coming... it's about time... Diesels are more efficient and pollute less... and when I say pollute less I mean that there are far less toxins released than with a gas engine... the example I often use is... lock yourself in a garage with a gas engine, then lock yourself in a garage with a Diesel... wait, better do that the other way around... :) and then not for very long. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # But I'm holding out hope for diesel technologies as # I see more reports coming out promoting them instead # of condemning them. # # Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:43:26 -0800 From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: [db] Anybody pull a head on an OM617? I guess I should have asked if anyone had put one back on because I pulled the head from my spare engine and took it to the machine shop. It needed new guides but all else was well. My question is: Do you put the rockers and cam on before installing the head or after? How do you get the chain back on right? Thanks! Eric Ditwiler Director, Academic Operations Harvey Mudd College 909-607-3134 eric_ditwiler-at-hmc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:46:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] relisted Panel truck I put the '67 J100 Panel back up on ebay, opening at $2,900 ebay item: 160195573504 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160195573504 trying to decide if I'm going to relist the '89 GW or finish fixing it... so many projects, so little time... plan on fixing my carport so I can put the '83 J10 project under cover... may build a back shop area so my son and I can rebuild the '96 xj 4.0L engine... he's talking about using it in his '74 Javelin... I'm still considering either a Mercedes 3.0L Diesel or a WJ 4.7L drivetrain for my J10. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 11:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] Anybody pull a head on an OM617? Eric Ditwiler wrote: > > I guess I should have asked if anyone had put one back on because I > pulled the head from my spare engine and took it to the machine shop. > It needed new guides but all else was well. > > My question is: > > Do you put the rockers and cam on before installing the head or after? > *** According to my 617 engine manual, it looks like you R&R the head with the cam in it, but the rocker arm groups uninstalled. > How do you get the chain back on right? *** You time the cam by setting TDC cylinder 1 and then matching the timing marks on the sprockets. You stick a bolt through one of the cam sprocket holes to hold it in place and tighten the center bolt to 80 nm. Only AFTER you have timed the cam do you reinstall the rocker arm groups. - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:41:13 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: [db] Vehicle Reliablity Surveys If anyone is interested this website has detailed information on late model cars and trucks reliabilty based on the number of times in the shop and cost of repairs. If you input data you can see the results for free. www.truedelta.com Allen _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:12:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] heating fuel for Omega found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... http://www.usdieselparts.com/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/80846/sku/14278/name/12v_Electric_Fuel_Heater I could put a pump that circulates fuel into the auxillary tank on Omega so the fuel is preheated... or just use it on the input line and filter... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:00:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega john wrote: > > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... > *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:31:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... then when the aux tank is ready switch over... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # john wrote: # > # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # > # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:52:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Yes, but the smallest alternator I know of is in a 123-body Benz, and that's 55a, so what on earth has the battery got to do with anything? Start the engine on diesel fuel (like you're supposed to,) then turn on the heater, give it a minute or two, and switch over. I guess I don't follow the battery issue. J - -----Original Message----- From: Jerome Kaidor Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:30 pm Size: 205 bytes To: john-at-wagoneers.com (john) cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net (diesel-benz list), DZAshby-at-verizon.net (David Ashby), fsj-at-digest.net (full size jeep list) john wrote: > > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... > *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:55:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Put it in-line. Don't try to heat the whole tank; you'll never get it much above warm, and then you'll still have to have an inline to get it to 160. The return line will warm it up a little, though. J - -----Original Message----- From: john Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:31 pm Size: 891 bytes To: Jerome Kaidor cc: diesel-benz list , David Ashby , full size jeep list wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... then when the aux tank is ready switch over... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # john wrote: # > # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # > # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:16:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega I think that Jerry was thinking I'd pre-heat the veggie oil before starting... most of the commercial setups use engine heat and wait until it's up to temp then switches over... this setup is going into my '91 Grand Wagoneer with a Detroit Diesel 6.2L... I think the alternator is around 70 or 80A and if not, it'll be that or larger... :) I could also setup an alternator on the rear driveshaft to power the heater... :) all kinds of room with 3" of body lift on a full framed vehicle. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Yes, but the smallest alternator I know of is in a 123-body Benz, and that's 55a, so what on earth has the battery got to do with anything? Start the engine on diesel fuel (like you're supposed to,) then turn on the heater, give it a minute or two, and switch over. # # I guess I don't follow the battery issue. # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # From: Jerome Kaidor # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:30 pm # Size: 205 bytes # To: john-at-wagoneers.com (john) # cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net (diesel-benz list), DZAshby-at-verizon.net (David Ashby), fsj-at-digest.net (full size jeep list) # # john wrote: # > # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # > # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:17:27 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega If you're going to wait for the engine to come up to temp before switching over, why not use engine coolant through a heat exchanger? Essentially free to build, and far less taxing on the electrical system. J.B. At 07:31 PM 1/3/2008, you wrote: >wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, >then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... >then when the aux tank is ready switch over... > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > # john wrote: > # > > # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... > # > > # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its > best in those temps.... > # > # - Jerry > # > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: >1/2/2008 11:29 AM J.B. Hebert - ---------------------------------------------- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:17:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega yes, that's probably the best idea... with three filters in line they would act as heat reservoirs too. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Put it in-line. Don't try to heat the whole tank; you'll never get it much above warm, and then you'll still have to have an inline to get it to 160. The return line will warm it up a little, though. # # J # -----Original Message----- # # From: john # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:31 pm # Size: 891 bytes # To: Jerome Kaidor # cc: diesel-benz list , David Ashby , full size jeep list # # wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, # then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... # then when the aux tank is ready switch over... # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # # # john wrote: # # > # # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # # > # # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # # # - Jerry # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega biggest issue is running the coolant lines... things are pretty tight with the oil cooler, tranny cooler, etc... remember, we stuffed a big block (I guess) into the Jeep... if it weren't for 3" body lift it wouldn't have worked out so well... the coolant idea might still be viable, I'll have to see what we end up with when it comes home. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, J.B. Hebert wrote: # If you're going to wait for the engine to come up to temp before switching # over, why not use engine coolant through a heat exchanger? Essentially free # to build, and far less taxing on the electrical system. # # J.B. # # At 07:31 PM 1/3/2008, you wrote: # # >wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, # >then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... # >then when the aux tank is ready switch over... # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # > # > # john wrote: # > # > # > # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # > # > # > # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its # > best in those temps.... # > # # > # - Jerry # > # # > # > # > # >-- # >No virus found in this incoming message. # >Checked by AVG Free Edition. # >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 # >11:29 AM # # J.B. Hebert # # ---------------------------------------------- # Current Vehicles: # # '76 Ford Bronco # '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 # '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe # '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) # '93 GMC Sierra 2500 # '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:31:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega John, you keep forgetting that AFAIK, my instructions are still on your website for how to do exactly that! With pictures! Found it! Http://www.wagoneers.com/dieselbenz/tech/wvo/heater/ - -----Original Message----- From: john Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:17 pm Size: 2K To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com cc: Diesel-benz-at-digest.net yes, that's probably the best idea... with three filters in line they would act as heat reservoirs too. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Put it in-line. Don't try to heat the whole tank; you'll never get it much above warm, and then you'll still have to have an inline to get it to 160. The return line will warm it up a little, though. # # J # -----Original Message----- # # From: john # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:31 pm # Size: 891 bytes # To: Jerome Kaidor # cc: diesel-benz list , David Ashby , full size jeep list # # wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, # then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... # then when the aux tank is ready switch over... # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # # # john wrote: # # > # # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # # > # # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # # # - Jerry # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2626 **********************************