From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 4 13:08:10 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, January 4 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2627 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega [db] Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:58:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega And it's perfect for tight spaces; just unroll some of it like I did. BTW, it never gave me any trouble at all. J - -----Original Message----- From: Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Date: Fri Jan 4, 2008 10:32 am Size: 2K To: Diesel-benz-at-digest.net John, you keep forgetting that AFAIK, my instructions are still on your website for how to do exactly that! With pictures! Found it! Http://www.wagoneers.com/dieselbenz/tech/wvo/heater/ - -----Original Message----- From: john Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:17 pm Size: 2K To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com cc: Diesel-benz-at-digest.net yes, that's probably the best idea... with three filters in line they would act as heat reservoirs too. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Put it in-line. Don't try to heat the whole tank; you'll never get it much above warm, and then you'll still have to have an inline to get it to 160. The return line will warm it up a little, though. # # J # -----Original Message----- # # From: john # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:31 pm # Size: 891 bytes # To: Jerome Kaidor # cc: diesel-benz list , David Ashby , full size jeep list # # wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, # then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... # then when the aux tank is ready switch over... # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # # # john wrote: # # > # # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # # > # # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # # # - Jerry # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega yes, haven't forgotten about those, issue of spacw/location of extra lines... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # John, you keep forgetting that AFAIK, my instructions are still on your website for how to do exactly that! With pictures! # # # # Found it! Http://www.wagoneers.com/dieselbenz/tech/wvo/heater/ # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: john # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:17 pm # Size: 2K # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com # cc: Diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # yes, that's probably the best idea... with three filters in line they # would act as heat reservoirs too. :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # Put it in-line. Don't try to heat the whole tank; you'll never get it much above warm, and then you'll still have to have an inline to get it to 160. The return line will warm it up a little, though. # # # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # # # From: john # # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:31 pm # # Size: 891 bytes # # To: Jerome Kaidor # # cc: diesel-benz list , David Ashby , full size jeep list # # # # wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, # # then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... # # then when the aux tank is ready switch over... # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # there's a solution for every problem; # # problem is can we afford the solution? # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # # # # # john wrote: # # # > # # # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # # # > # # # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # # # # # - Jerry # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 08:18:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega it's the distance between the solenoid and aux tank and heater... will consider it... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # And it's perfect for tight spaces; just unroll some of it like I did. # # BTW, it never gave me any trouble at all. # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # From: # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Fri Jan 4, 2008 10:32 am # Size: 2K # To: Diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # John, you keep forgetting that AFAIK, my instructions are still on your website for how to do exactly that! With pictures! # # # # Found it! Http://www.wagoneers.com/dieselbenz/tech/wvo/heater/ # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: john # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:17 pm # Size: 2K # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com # cc: Diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # yes, that's probably the best idea... with three filters in line they # would act as heat reservoirs too. :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # Put it in-line. Don't try to heat the whole tank; you'll never get it much above warm, and then you'll still have to have an inline to get it to 160. The return line will warm it up a little, though. # # # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # # # From: john # # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:31 pm # # Size: 891 bytes # # To: Jerome Kaidor # # cc: diesel-benz list , David Ashby , full size jeep list # # # # wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, # # then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... # # then when the aux tank is ready switch over... # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # there's a solution for every problem; # # problem is can we afford the solution? # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # # # # # john wrote: # # # > # # # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # # # > # # # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # # # # # - Jerry # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:12:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega I can tell you're a windows user... :) outlook, or some other overbearing application "fixed" your spelling of the link... it should be: http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/TECH/WVO/heater/ case sensitivity... always a challenge in the windows world... :) maybe I should just make everything lower case... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # John, you keep forgetting that AFAIK, my instructions are still on your website for how to do exactly that! With pictures! # # # # Found it! Http://www.wagoneers.com/dieselbenz/tech/wvo/heater/ # # # # -----Original Message----- # # From: john # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 9:17 pm # Size: 2K # To: jasonbassett-at-juno.com # cc: Diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # yes, that's probably the best idea... with three filters in line they # would act as heat reservoirs too. :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # Put it in-line. Don't try to heat the whole tank; you'll never get it much above warm, and then you'll still have to have an inline to get it to 160. The return line will warm it up a little, though. # # # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # # # From: john # # Subj: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega # # Date: Thu Jan 3, 2008 7:31 pm # # Size: 891 bytes # # To: Jerome Kaidor # # cc: diesel-benz list , David Ashby , full size jeep list # # # # wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running, # # then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first... # # then when the aux tank is ready switch over... # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # there's a solution for every problem; # # problem is can we afford the solution? # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote: # # # # # john wrote: # # # > # # # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes... # # # > # # # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its best in those temps.... # # # # # # - Jerry # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 13:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Help needed with Italian Grand Wagoneer Luca, Very nice Grand Wagoneer. What year is it? Where are you in Italy? I've got some friends in Naples and Firenza. I visited Italy in 1976, in my 1967 Mustang. :) I'm going to send your note to the FSJ list, and some friends in Europe for extra help. folks, be sure to email/cc Luca at: campo-at-midwayadv.com I've put the pictures of his beautiful Grand Wagoneer at: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Luca-IT-GW/ In answering through your email, my responses are here: 1) I'm not sure what the problem might be with the engine. I would replace all the vacuum lines and make sure they match the diagram under the hood, and that all bolts on the intake manifold are torqued correctly. Check the spark plug wiring order as well: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/firingorder.html Then, I would run a compression test on the engine cylinders. I ran a test on my '89 Grand Wagoneer and got these results: Compression test on 360 V8 reads: 135, 140, 130, 130, 130, 120, 135 and 145 This reading is in PSI - Pounds per Square Inch. I'm not sure what unit of measure you would use. I have a shareware tool that will convert it into metric, you can download it from: http://wagoneers.com/CS/TOOLS/Convert.exe 2) This sounds like the transmission may be failing. The Torqueflite 727 is not very long lived. You may need to have it rebuilt. I would add an external transmission cooler and use Synthetic ATF. The transmission does NOT route oil to the cooler when in PARK. 3) I would recommend joining the FSJ list on digest.net. http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/FSJ-list.html There are many on the list that will be able to help. There are folks in Europe on the list as well. I don't know of any Italians on the list though. I've got a couple friends up in Nederland, Norway and Sweden, and one over in Ireland (Stephen, can't find your email, sent this to the DieselBenz list. :). They might be able to help you locate parts in Europe to avoid shipping and tax issues. I would like to get back to Italy, I missed Firenza... drove right by it not realizing that it was Florence. :( Ciao, john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, MIDWAYadv wrote: # Hello John, my name is Luca and I write to you from Italy. I have # always had a dream: to possess one Grand Wagoneer. After many years, # finally the past year they are successful to acquire of one. The body is # beautifulst and perfect but the mechanical part gives some # problem to me. # I have had some problems to the carburetor and I have # practically re-make all the connections from the tank to the motor. # I have bought an other carburetor re-conditioned from the # teamgrandwagoneer but also it had one problem. # I have changed also the distributor Assembly, the ignition coil, the ignitio # module the starter Relay e many others parts but the motor stretches no good. # it is like if the motor it did not work melted, limpid and round. Also # when I accelerate it does not go smooth as it would have 8 # cylinders of that piston displacement. See #1 above. # Strange what happens one... if I put oil in differentiates them to the # just level, the motor does not strike par, if then I remove it and I # leave the oil to the minimal level the motor goes decidedly better. # I believe that the dipstick oil of the level of the oil of differentiates # is not original... but I do not succeed to find of one original. # Moreover when the car is cold seems that the D automatic drive or the L drive # slips... is like as the drive without power , it uncouples without warning # then as soon as I raise the number of turns of the motor, # without warning is coupled and left again. # When the car is warm does not have more this problem. Perhaps then the oil of # the change goes in # pressure and all it goes well. In any case I am angry why I would # want to use it in easy way and instead these problems they render its # use indeed unpleasant. I See #2 above. # would want that all good went and I would want to resolve all the problems. # We can remain in contact so, you can help me to understand problems and to # indicate to me where i can acquire pieces in America? See #3 above. # It would be a very great fortune for me. hello Luca # in the next one mail I send the photos to you of the car http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Luca-IT-GW/ # Excuse me for my no good english Only if you excuse my Italian. :) arrevadirtchee. :) john ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2627 **********************************