From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jan 8 10:46:37 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, January 8 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2631 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] 300D 2.5 Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Re: [db] 300D 2.5 [db] xj: Found XJ, was Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! (fwd) Re: [db] 300D 2.5 RE: [db] heating fuel for Omega [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' RE: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' RE: [db] 300D 2.5 RE: [db] 300D 2.5 RE: [db] 300D 2.5 Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:06:04 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] 300D 2.5 Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 300D 2.5? There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the 190D. Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:35:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 I have four years worth of data in a spreadsheet... ;) overall average is 28.63 over 59,238 miles. typical mix commute to seattle from snohomish in heavy I-5 traffic about 30 to 31 mpg... my commute, 10 miles, lots of poorly timed stoplights and a heavy foot, worse 26, best 29. best on the freeway, seattle to spokane, 39.75mpg. I run amsoil synthetics throughout, might make a little difference in overall economy, but any gains from economy are offset by peformance and a degradation in economy. :) typical freeway mileage from seattle to monterey, about 34 to 35. the offical epa rating is 27 and 33??? I would go for it Mike... remember, I gave up a 190D (with better economy) for my 124 '91 300D... I would never go back... the ride and handling are better, it's a more comfortable vehicle, and I believe better quality... on the other hand, with some of the troubles that bruce has had with his '93 300D 2.5L TD, I'd say a '91 is a very safe bet. How much are they asking for it? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Mike Frank wrote: # Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 300D 2.5? # There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the 190D. # # Mike Frank # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:52:43 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Less than $5800 with 121K on the clock. Looks nice, too. Mike Frank At 11:35 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: >How much are they asking for it? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:13:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 wow. that's a deal... hows the rust situation? there was a '91 down in portland, they were asking $7200, of course no rust out here. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Mike Frank wrote: # Less than $5800 with 121K on the clock. Looks nice, too. # # Mike Frank # # At 11:35 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: # # >How much are they asking for it? # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 22:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] xj: Found XJ, was Missing 90 Cherokee, Black, pls help! (fwd) they found his Jeep... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alan Hey All Well, looks like they found the Cherokee today...the body is pretty much in the same shape as it was before, plus a few more scratches. But the interior is a little trashed. They broke into one of the quarter windows and punched out the side of the steering column and hotwired it. The stereo, CB, and a few other things were gone. Plus one of the front tires was flat and off the bead. The only unknown now is it mechanicaly still okay, or did they damage something internally? My shop and I will give it a good check over once we get somethings fixed...good thing I have full coverage! Otherwise, I had been meaning to sell it...was going to in a few months anyhow and it will probably still happen. Ill just be sure to get everything fixed on it. I expected worst, but it was a typical smash and grab with joyride. Thanks for keeping an eye out everyone! Mahalo Alan Chung ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:29:07 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Same Benz I have, gets 30 to 32 in mixed city highway driving. Hit as high as 35 all highway and mine has injection pump issues. I am told you can eke 40 on the highway if all things are right with the engine. Edward Mike Frank wrote: > Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 > 300D 2.5? There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the > 190D. > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:59:33 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: [db] heating fuel for Omega Inboard/outboard boats use large heat exchangers to cool the engine. I seen one used a mercedes wvo conversion. Allen> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:18:35 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: diesel-at-wrxtra.com> CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net> Subject: Re: [db] heating fuel for Omega> > biggest issue is running the coolant lines... things are pretty tight> with the oil cooler, tranny cooler, etc... remember, we stuffed> a big block (I guess) into the Jeep... if it weren't for 3" body> lift it wouldn't have worked out so well... > > the coolant idea might still be viable, I'll have to see what we end> up with when it comes home.> > john> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> there's a solution for every problem;> problem is can we afford the solution?> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > > On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, J.B. Hebert wrote:> > # If you're going to wait for the engine to come up to temp before switching> # over, why not use engine coolant through a heat exchanger? Essentially free> # to build, and far less taxing on the electrical system.> # > # J.B.> # > # At 07:31 PM 1/3/2008, you wrote:> # > # >wouldn't use it initially... first get the Diesel running,> # >then heat the aux tank... start out on regular Diesel first...> # >then when the aux tank is ready switch over...> # >> # > -----> # >----------------------------------------------------------------------> # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> # >----------------------------------------------------------------------> # > there's a solution for every problem;> # > problem is can we afford the solution?> # >----------------------------------------------------------------------> # >> # >> # >On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Jerome Kaidor wrote:> # >> # > # john wrote:> # > # >> # > # > found a fuel heater, 300W, that's about 25 Amps!!! yikes...> # > # >> # > # *** And let us not forget that the battery itself is not at its > # > best in those temps....> # > #> # > # - Jerry> # > #> # >> # >> # >> # >--> # >No virus found in this incoming message.> # >Checked by AVG Free Edition.> # >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008> # >11:29 AM> # > # J.B. Hebert> # > # - ----------------------------------------------> # Current Vehicles:> # > # '76 Ford Bronco> # '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8> # '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe> # '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased)> # '93 GMC Sierra 2500> # '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ > # > # _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:13:35 -0300 From: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" Subject: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' from BBC News Online Producing biofuels from a fast-growing grass delivers vast savings of carbon dioxide emissions compared with petrol, a large-scale study has suggested. A team of US researchers also found that switchgrass-derived ethanol produced 540 percent more energy than was required to manufacture the fuel. One acre (0.4 hectares) of the grassland could, on average, deliver 320 barrels of bioethanol, they added. Their paper appears in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. The five-year study, involving 10 farms ranging in size from three to nine hectares, was described as the largest study of its kind by the paper's authors. Co-author Ken Vogel of the US Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Agriculture Research Service ... said that all previous energy analyses had been based on data from research plots and estimated inputs. To read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7175397.stm Or: http://snipurl.com/1wvu6 Cheers, Ron. - -- The wicked leader is he who the people despise. The good leader is he who the people revere. The great leader is he under who the people say: 'We did it ourselves.' -- Venerable Tzu -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:32:53 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: RE: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of fuel in my yard. Prices of corn has made it more difficult for livestock raisers. Switchgrass may be another good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. Allen> From: renaud-at-olgiati-in-paraguay.org> To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net; steam_tech-at-yahoogroups.com; NIOT-at-yahoogroups.com; offtopic-at-digest.net> Subject: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent'> Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:13:35 -0300> > from BBC News Online> > Producing biofuels from a fast-growing grass delivers vast savings of> carbon dioxide emissions compared with petrol, a large-scale study has> suggested. A team of US researchers also found that switchgrass-derived> ethanol produced 540 percent more energy than was required to manufacture> the fuel.> > One acre (0.4 hectares) of the grassland could, on average, deliver 320> barrels of bioethanol, they added. Their paper appears in the Proceedings> of the National Academy of Sciences.> > The five-year study, involving 10 farms ranging in size from three to nine> hectares, was described as the largest study of its kind by the paper's> authors. Co-author Ken Vogel of the US Department of Agriculture's (USDA)> Agriculture Research Service ... said that all previous energy analyses had> been based on data from research plots and estimated inputs.> > To read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7175397.stm> > Or: http://snipurl.com/1wvu6> > > > > Cheers,> > Ron.> -- > The wicked leader is he who the people despise.> The good leader is he who the people revere.> The great leader is he under who the people say:> 'We did it ourselves.'> -- Venerable Tzu> > -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- _________________________________________________________________ Watch ^SCause Effect,^T a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:28:29 -0800 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 Mike, Go for it. That's what John did when he dumped the 190D on me :) Can you believe he picked me up from the airport in the 300D, drove me home, then said, "there's the 190D". You have to admit, that was pretty cruel!! The 300D is a dream ride compared to the 190D. If I could find a '91 300D and had any money, I'd switch in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the 190D, it's just in a different class (lower) than the 300D. Pros: TURBO Power, larger softer ride, quieter, equivalent mpg Cons: Maybe not quite so nimble in parking lots and for u-turns?? Hard to beat that in a 190D... It's a no brainer if you can afford it. Scott 1985 190D - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Edward Pomeroy Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:29 AM To: Mike Frank Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 Same Benz I have, gets 30 to 32 in mixed city highway driving. Hit as high as 35 all highway and mine has injection pump issues. I am told you can eke 40 on the highway if all things are right with the engine. Edward Mike Frank wrote: > Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 > 300D 2.5? There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the > 190D. > > Mike Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:11:34 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 I should have picked him up in a Jeep... ;) that was pretty cruel. :) (had I dropped insurance on it??? that must have been why, either that or I was just showing off... ;) the 190d is more economical and more nimble in tight spaces, and they look pretty cool... I was getting 34 mpg in town... with stop-n-go only seeing 26 to 28 with the 300d. If it's economy you're really concerned about the 190D is the winner... I've talked to folks that got well into the 40's with their 190d... best ever for my 124 is 39.75 mpg. (same run I got 21.04 mpg with my 4.7L V8 Grand Cherokee)... for some reason the run from Seattle to Spokane is my best economy run, not sure why... spokane is higher than seattle and I have to go through three passes to get there... weird... anyway, the 201 chassis is ok, but the 124 series is the best I've had yet... I prefer it over the 123 or 126. I guess they call these the e-series... I'm hooked... other than the climate control design, they're splendid, but the 124 and 201 share that design, and both are better than the 123 of old... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # Mike, # # Go for it. That's what John did when he dumped the 190D on me :) Can you # believe he picked me up from the airport in the 300D, drove me home, then # said, "there's the 190D". You have to admit, that was pretty cruel!! The # 300D is a dream ride compared to the 190D. If I could find a '91 300D and # had any money, I'd switch in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the # 190D, it's just in a different class (lower) than the 300D. # # Pros: TURBO Power, larger softer ride, quieter, equivalent mpg # Cons: Maybe not quite so nimble in parking lots and for u-turns?? Hard to # beat that in a 190D... # # It's a no brainer if you can afford it. # # Scott # 1985 190D # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Edward Pomeroy # Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:29 AM # To: Mike Frank # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 # # Same Benz I have, gets 30 to 32 in mixed city highway driving. Hit as # high as 35 all highway and mine has injection pump issues. I am told # you can eke 40 on the highway if all things are right with the engine. # # Edward # # Mike Frank wrote: # # > Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 # > 300D 2.5? There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the # > 190D. # > # > Mike Frank # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:45:54 -0800 From: "Scott Haaland" Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 The best I've ever gotten in the 190D is 35.5 mpg, and that was only once on a Sacramento to Fresno to Sacramento run (flat, flat, flat). I've consistently gotten 33 mpg on the road and 29-30 around town. I'm convinced that a manual tranny would make the biggest difference. I've always been annoyed at how "wound up" it gets when going 70 mph or more with my automatic tranny. It sounds like the rubber band is going to break if you dare go over 80. I wish they would have put an overdrive on the automatic tranny, and lowered the rpm by 500-800....right now, 85mph is top speed and it sounds like the engine is going to explode at 4500 rpm.... Speaking of wound up, I've been trying to troubleshoot a shimmy that developed a couple of months ago, which turns into a terrible shaking vibration over 60 mph. I've pretty much relegated the 190D to around town only, until I can solve it. I've replaced the tie-rods and the driver's side ball joint. Planning to replace the passenger side ball joint this weekend, then put new tires on, get an alignment, and cross my fingers. Other suspected parts are the control arm bushings, or some other steering control bushings (center link or middle tie rod, etc...). I'm actually hoping that it's only a tire out of balance at this point, and that new tires and balancing will fix it now.... I had no idea how difficult ball joints can be to change...I finally got the old one out by leaving the ball joint press on it under pressure and spraying penetrating oil around the edge, and let it sit for an hour. Came out, gave it a whack with the hammer, and it finally budged. I thought I'd have to take the control arm off and take it to a machine shop for while there.... Cheers, Scott - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:12 AM To: Scott Haaland Cc: 'DB List' Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 I should have picked him up in a Jeep... ;) that was pretty cruel. :) (had I dropped insurance on it??? that must have been why, either that or I was just showing off... ;) the 190d is more economical and more nimble in tight spaces, and they look pretty cool... I was getting 34 mpg in town... with stop-n-go only seeing 26 to 28 with the 300d. If it's economy you're really concerned about the 190D is the winner... I've talked to folks that got well into the 40's with their 190d... best ever for my 124 is 39.75 mpg. (same run I got 21.04 mpg with my 4.7L V8 Grand Cherokee)... for some reason the run from Seattle to Spokane is my best economy run, not sure why... spokane is higher than seattle and I have to go through three passes to get there... weird... anyway, the 201 chassis is ok, but the 124 series is the best I've had yet... I prefer it over the 123 or 126. I guess they call these the e-series... I'm hooked... other than the climate control design, they're splendid, but the 124 and 201 share that design, and both are better than the 123 of old... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Scott Haaland wrote: # Mike, # # Go for it. That's what John did when he dumped the 190D on me :) Can you # believe he picked me up from the airport in the 300D, drove me home, then # said, "there's the 190D". You have to admit, that was pretty cruel!! The # 300D is a dream ride compared to the 190D. If I could find a '91 300D and # had any money, I'd switch in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, I love the # 190D, it's just in a different class (lower) than the 300D. # # Pros: TURBO Power, larger softer ride, quieter, equivalent mpg # Cons: Maybe not quite so nimble in parking lots and for u-turns?? Hard to # beat that in a 190D... # # It's a no brainer if you can afford it. # # Scott # 1985 190D # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On # Behalf Of Edward Pomeroy # Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:29 AM # To: Mike Frank # Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # Subject: Re: [db] 300D 2.5 # # Same Benz I have, gets 30 to 32 in mixed city highway driving. Hit as # high as 35 all highway and mine has injection pump issues. I am told # you can eke 40 on the highway if all things are right with the engine. # # Edward # # Mike Frank wrote: # # > Does anyone know what sort of fuel economy can be expected of a '91 # > 300D 2.5? There's one for sale nearby, and I'm tempted to replace the # > 190D. # > # > Mike Frank # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2631 **********************************