From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Wed Jan 9 10:15:26 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, January 9 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2634 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' RE: [db] 300D 2.5 RE: [db] 300D 2.5 Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' [db] Study: Prairie Grass Can Produce Ethanol (fwd) [db] Any body rebuild a T3? Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:15:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' wow, that sounds like a great idea... and then we could take the spent rods and send them to Iran... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Got that - good idea, best way to do it is to build a bunch of nuclear pebble # bed reactors to make elecricity and to process seawater into desalinated for # irrigation, and Hydrogen and power..... oh, silly me, the greens will NEVER # allow that, too logical. Arghh!! # # Edward # # john wrote: # # >what we need to do is: # > # > 1) build repositories for water # > 2) convert sea water to fresh # > 3) distribute water to arrid places and grow things # > as plants deal with CO2... :) # > 4) grow stuff # > # >this planet was created in such a way that it will hold a lot # >more people and supply all our needs and way beyond... we just # >have to be a bit smarter about how we use it... dirtying our # >own nest isn't very bright... :) # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # > # Yeah, come to think of it....8^) I've actually known that this was # > # possible # > # for several years. (In fact, I thought of doing exactly that well over a # > # decade ago. I would have been.....11?) It just hasn't caught the # > # attention of # > # the mainstream until recently. Of course, it remains to be seen if it # > # really # > # has yet...... # > # # > # Of course, this could drive the price of hay up......you just can't win # > # with # > # this dang biofuel thing! Any way you look at it, it's interfering with # > # the # > # food supply at some level. Par for the course, I guess....it makes # > # economic # > # sense to start developing renewable energy sources, but we certainly # > # should # > # use oil while we have it, since it is completely non-disruptive to the # > # food # > # supply. Somebody needs to tell the government to quit paying people NOT # > # to # > # grow stuff so there's enough supply to keep the prices in check! (Not to # > # mention that getting paid for NOT doing something is just ever so # > # SLIGHTLY # > # uncapitalistic.......) # > # # > # J # > # # > # -- "Richard P. Welty" wrote: # > # Allen Zylstra wrote: # > # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of fuel in my yard. Prices # > # > of # > # corn # > # > has made it more difficult for livestock raisers. Switchgrass may be # > # another # > # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. # > # > # > # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited from the corn ethanol craze, # > # i've never # > # been persuaded it was the right answer. objectively, grass based # > # solutions look a lot better # > # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly news, this study confirms # > # what i've been # > # hearing for a little while now.) # > # # > # richard # > # # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:07:32 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 > what gets me is when these things pull one way or the other... > > our roads are crowned here because of all the rain... I've spent > a lot of time at front end shops sorting it out... > > jeeps and mercedes... if I have the tire pressure equal on all > four corners on my 124 it seems to track straight, if one tire > goes low it'll pull... irritating... > It's not an irritation, (everybody say it with me) It's a Feature. New cars have to add yet more electronics to monitor tire pressure, thanks to Ford and Firestone. We W124 drivers have pressure monitoring built in mechanically. ;-) I have found that some tires follow road grooves or crowns much more than others. I know you're happy with those BF Goodrich tires you use, but maybe it's worth trying something different next time they're due. I've been really happy with the Kumho Ecsta ASX, so much so that I may actually buy them again when this set wears out. And they're among the cheaper choices, and they're available in V-rated 195/65-15. Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 231K ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] 300D 2.5 actually Ford used RFIDs made at Intermec... I was working there when all the firestone problems were going on... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # > what gets me is when these things pull one way or the other... # > # > our roads are crowned here because of all the rain... I've spent # > a lot of time at front end shops sorting it out... # > # > jeeps and mercedes... if I have the tire pressure equal on all # > four corners on my 124 it seems to track straight, if one tire # > goes low it'll pull... irritating... # > # # It's not an irritation, (everybody say it with me) # # It's a Feature. # # New cars have to add yet more electronics to monitor tire pressure, thanks # to Ford and Firestone. # We W124 drivers have pressure monitoring built in mechanically. ;-) # # # I have found that some tires follow road grooves or crowns much more than # others. I know you're happy with those BF Goodrich tires you use, but maybe # it's worth trying something different next time they're due. I've been # really happy with the Kumho Ecsta ASX, so much so that I may actually buy # them again when this set wears out. And they're among the cheaper choices, # and they're available in V-rated 195/65-15. # # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 89 300CE, 231K # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 06:10:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' If you want to make biodiesel plant rapeseed. Jim - --- john wrote: > how much ground is needed to grow the switchgrass? > > we're looking at a property with almost 5 acres and > most of it's cleared... > will it grow in a cool damp climate? > > if so, how much value is it to raise??? might be > enough incentive > for us to move. :) > > can they make biodiesel from it too? > > john > > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Richard P. Welty wrote: > > # Allen Zylstra wrote: > # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of > fuel in my yard. Prices of > # > corn > # > has made it more difficult for livestock > raisers. Switchgrass may be > # > another > # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. > # > > # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited from > the corn ethanol craze, i've > # never > # been persuaded it was the right answer. > objectively, grass based solutions > # look a lot better > # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly > news, this study confirms what > # i've been > # hearing for a little while now.) > # > # richard > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:36:16 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Hmmmmm......careful, you don't want the CIA or FIB showing up at your door. They kinda don't like Iran right now. 8^) J - -- john wrote: wow, that sounds like a great idea... and then we could take the spent rods and send them to Iran... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: # Got that - good idea, best way to do it is to build a bunch of nuclear pebble # bed reactors to make elecricity and to process seawater into desalinated for # irrigation, and Hydrogen and power..... oh, silly me, the greens will NEVER # allow that, too logical. Arghh!! # # Edward # # john wrote: # # >what we need to do is: # > # > 1) build repositories for water # > 2) convert sea water to fresh # > 3) distribute water to arrid places and grow things # > as plants deal with CO2... :) # > 4) grow stuff # > # >this planet was created in such a way that it will hold a lot # >more people and supply all our needs and way beyond... we just # >have to be a bit smarter about how we use it... dirtying our # >own nest isn't very bright... :) # > # > ----- # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > there's a solution for every problem; # > problem is can we afford the solution? # >---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # >On Wed, 9 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # > # > # Yeah, come to think of it....8^) I've actually known that this was # > # possible # > # for several years. (In fact, I thought of doing exactly that well over a # > # decade ago. I would have been.....11?) It just hasn't caught the # > # attention of # > # the mainstream until recently. Of course, it remains to be seen if it # > # really # > # has yet...... # > # # > # Of course, this could drive the price of hay up......you just can't win # > # with # > # this dang biofuel thing! Any way you look at it, it's interfering with # > # the # > # food supply at some level. Par for the course, I guess....it makes # > # economic # > # sense to start developing renewable energy sources, but we certainly # > # should # > # use oil while we have it, since it is completely non-disruptive to the # > # food # > # supply. Somebody needs to tell the government to quit paying people NOT # > # to # > # grow stuff so there's enough supply to keep the prices in check! (Not to # > # mention that getting paid for NOT doing something is just ever so # > # SLIGHTLY # > # uncapitalistic.......) # > # # > # J # > # # > # -- "Richard P. Welty" wrote: # > # Allen Zylstra wrote: # > # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of fuel in my yard. Prices # > # > of # > # corn # > # > has made it more difficult for livestock raisers. Switchgrass may be # > # another # > # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. # > # > # > # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited from the corn ethanol craze, # > # i've never # > # been persuaded it was the right answer. objectively, grass based # > # solutions look a lot better # > # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly news, this study confirms # > # what i've been # > # hearing for a little while now.) # > # # > # richard # > # # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:37:08 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' Exactly right. Easy to grow, great yields, all the works. J - -- Jim Hoffman wrote: If you want to make biodiesel plant rapeseed. Jim - --- john wrote: > how much ground is needed to grow the switchgrass? > > we're looking at a property with almost 5 acres and > most of it's cleared... > will it grow in a cool damp climate? > > if so, how much value is it to raise??? might be > enough incentive > for us to move. :) > > can they make biodiesel from it too? > > john > > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Richard P. Welty wrote: > > # Allen Zylstra wrote: > # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of > fuel in my yard. Prices of > # > corn > # > has made it more difficult for livestock > raisers. Switchgrass may be > # > another > # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. > # > > # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited from > the corn ethanol craze, i've > # never > # been persuaded it was the right answer. > objectively, grass based solutions > # look a lot better > # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly > news, this study confirms what > # i've been > # hearing for a little while now.) > # > # richard > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:49:30 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Study: Prairie Grass Can Produce Ethanol (fwd) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Sent from Express News OMAHA, Neb. - New research shows that prairie grasses grown using only moderate amounts of fertilizer on marginal land can produce significant amounts of ethanol. The five-year study of switch grass done by the University of Nebraska and the USDA's Agricultural Research Service was published this week by the National Academy of Sciences. Researcher Ken Vogel said he estimates that an acre of switch grass would produce an average of 300 gallons of ethanol based on the study of grass grown on marginal land on farms in Nebraska, South Dakota and North Dakota. An acre of corn grown in those same states produces about 350 gallons of ethanol on average. Renewable Fuels Association spokesman Matt Hartwig said this latest study adds to the evidence supporting the development of cellulosic ethanol. "It underscores that cellulosic ethanol production is not only feasible, it is essential," said Hartwig, whose group represents ethanol producers. Nebraska Ethanol Board Projects Manager Steve Sorum said the industry is excited about the prospects for cellulosic ethanol because the feedstocks for it, such as switch grass, are cheaper to grow. Plus some of the byproducts created in the process can be burned to generate electricity. Sorum said the key will be developing an economic way to break down the cell walls of cellulose-based fuel sources. Both cellulosic and grain-based ethanol will likely play a role in meeting the new federal standard for biofuel use. The energy bill Congress passed last month requires a massive increase in the production of ethanol to 36 billion gallons a year by 2022. The energy bill will emphasize cellulosic ethanol, made from such feedstock as switch grass and wood chips, after 2015 when about two-thirds of the nation's ethanol is supposed to come from such non-corn sources. Hartwig said there is general agreement that 15 billion gallons a year is about the most ethanol that can be produced from grain with current technology without hurting grain markets. So he said it's important to develop other sources for the renewable fuel. Vogel said comparing the amount of ethanol produced by corn with the amount that could be produced by switch grass is a bit unfair because the method of converting switch grass to fuel is still being perfected. Last year, the Department of Energy announced plans to invest $385 million in six ethanol refineries across the country to jump-start ethanol production from cellulose-based sources, a process that has not yet been proven commercially viable. But Vogel and the other researchers did develop an estimate of how much energy switch grass would produce based on current conversion rates. Switch grass produces more than five times as much energy than the energy that's consumed by growing the crop and converting it to ethanol, according to the report. Vogel said this switch grass research is the most extensive to date. Vogel is a U.S. Department of Agriculture geneticist and a University of Nebraska-Lincoln professor. - --- By JOSH FUNK Associated Press Writer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:07:28 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Ditwiler Subject: [db] Any body rebuild a T3? Are the fasteners SAE or Metric? Are there left or right handed threads on the nut holding the compressor wheel on the shaft? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:15:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Grass Biofuels 'Cut CO2 by 94 Percent' >From http://journeytoforever.org/ Too bad I can't grow palm trees/coconuts to grow in S.E. Wisconsin! ;) Jim Grow your own Rapeseed (Brassica Napus), or canola, produces about 2,000 pounds of seed per acre, yielding about 100 gallons of vegetable oil for fuel, and 1,200 pounds of high-protein meal (seedcake) that can be used for livestock feed or as an organic fertilizer. The seedcake could also be used to make ethanol, and so could the several tons of crop wastes. Yields from soybeans are about 60 gallons per acre, from coconuts more than 200 gallons per acre, and from oil palms more than 500 gallons per acre. (See http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html) - --- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: > Exactly right. Easy to grow, great yields, all the > works. > > J > > -- Jim Hoffman wrote: > If you want to make biodiesel plant rapeseed. > > Jim > > --- john wrote: > > > how much ground is needed to grow the switchgrass? > > > > we're looking at a property with almost 5 acres > and > > most of it's cleared... > > will it grow in a cool damp climate? > > > > if so, how much value is it to raise??? might be > > enough incentive > > for us to move. :) > > > > can they make biodiesel from it too? > > > > john > > > > > > ----- > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't > > rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** > > http://wagoneers.com ** > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > there's a solution for every problem; > > problem is can we afford the solution? > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Richard P. Welty wrote: > > > > # Allen Zylstra wrote: > > # > Sounds like I could grow about 150 barrels of > > fuel in my yard. Prices of > > # > corn > > # > has made it more difficult for livestock > > raisers. Switchgrass may be > > # > another > > # > good source. They use sugarcane in Brazil. > > # > > > # although i'm a farm owner who has benefited > from > > the corn ethanol craze, i've > > # never > > # been persuaded it was the right answer. > > objectively, grass based solutions > > # look a lot better > > # to me (and switchgrass ethanol isn't exactly > > news, this study confirms what > > # i've been > > # hearing for a little while now.) > > # > > # richard > > # > > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2634 **********************************