From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Jan 15 16:23:38 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, January 16 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2639 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] New Rover with 60MPG hybrid diesel!! You go John! [db] gofast.com [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] New Rover with 60MPG hybrid diesel!! You go John! [db] New Rover with 60MPG hybrid diesel!! You go John! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:08:21 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] New Rover with 60MPG hybrid diesel!! You go John! has jason lost his tin foil hat again? :) I suppose he has a reason to worry... living in the rust belt and all... I just have to keep my grandfathered in vehicles running and hope some dingaling doesn't run into one of them... support your local car collector club, the nra and 4x4 organizations... we stand together against the tyranny of the social engineer do gooders... (after all they really do mean well, don't they? they couldn't possibly have an agenda or anything... ;) heard an interesting paul harvey the rest of the story tonight... guess who was quite the goldwater-girl? (for those of you too young to remember, goldwater was the Republican Party's nominee for President in the 1964 election. Also known as Mr. Conservative... a young republican became known at the convention, a little known former actor... but that's another story... the gold water girl was... I can't bring myself to say it... it's too devasting... I'll let y'all guess... ...the rest of the story. ; ) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # What environmentally paranoid legislation are they referencing in 2012? Some # dastardly anti-capitalist UN mandate? # # J # # -- Edward Pomeroy wrote: # I stripped out the picture - go to the website to look. # Edward # # # An advanced hybrid diesel engine, capable of returning 60mpg will power # the planned production version of Land Rover's stunning LRX, it has been # announced. # # # Tipped to go on sale in 2009, the three door cross-coupe was the star of # this year's 2008 Detroit Motor Show, and dramatically takes Land Rover # into an uncharted sector of the new car market. # # "The LRX concept delivers the powerful message that we are as serious # about sustainability as we are confident about the relevance and # desirability of our vehicles" said Phil Popham, Land Rovers managing # director. "LRX is in every respect a Land Rover, but it is a very # different Land Rover," he added. # # Though exact details of the engine are still top secret, the firm has # announced that the 2.0-litre diesel electric hybrid unit will be capable # of running on bio fuel, and is the first to feature the firm's newly # developed Electric Rear Axle Drive (ERAD). # # This will allow the car to drive in a fully electric mode at low speeds, # while retaining unbeatable off road ability and impressive on road # performance. # # With a CO2 output of 120g/km, the car meets tough new emissions # legislation, due to be introduced in 2012. # # More LAND ROVER LRX: # # o News, Auto Express News: Land Rover LRX # # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:18:04 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] gofast.com trying a new auction site I heard about on Dream Garage... pretty interesting show... lots of nice cars shown, fun times on the track or autobahn... Auction URL: http://www.mygofast.com/item.php?mode=1&id=3305 Auction ends: January 28, 2008 - 23:10 Auction URL: http://www.mygofast.com/item.php?mode=1&id=3306 Auction ends: January 28, 2008 - 23:15 problem is if I get to looking on this site I'm afraid of what might find it's way back home... :) temptations abound. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:19:28 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] New Rover with 60MPG hybrid diesel!! You go John! You don't really want to know the answer to that. To list some of the insanity going on in Europe - by 2012 no car can emit more than 140 grams of CO2 per some number of miles, I don't have the rules and formulas memorized but can dig it up at work if necessary. All parts of the car must be recyclable and you the buyer are paying for that cost up front when you buy a new car. To the extreme that the materials used in the car must be designed to be easily removed and recycled (if unchecked, this may kill the old car hobby in europe, there is one hell of a fight going on now over just that). As you may be aware, the nanny state now requires all trucks over 2 tons to have a trip recorder in it that logs speed and mileage and you are taxed on road usage or fined for breaking the law based on the readings, so if you are a trucker, you are locked in to so many hours of driving per day and at no more than the mandated speeds (they use team drivers to get around the driving time limits on long haul). Then you have to take a break, stop at a hotel or whatever. It is already increasing the cost of shipping intra EU like crazy. And if you are a private party that happens to want a nice large truck, you too are snared in this idiocy plus you need to get a CDL to drive your private truck (and the cost of doing so runs into the thousands of dollars). Also, in Norway for example, they passed a law that says that a truck by definition cannot carry more than 3 persons in the front seats so if you want a twin cab US truck (or a HUMMER) over there, you have to strip out the rear seats and use it only for cargo or you can't get it registered. And on and on it goes. Welcome to the brave new EU world. Our new CAFE standard is a baby step down this road, I am a proponent of letting the marketplace determine what is built. If people demand smaller vehicles, the industry will go that way, if they don't, it won't. (but by golly the elites will force you to like it!). Edward jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >What environmentally paranoid legislation are they referencing in 2012? Some >dastardly anti-capitalist UN mandate? > >J > >-- Edward Pomeroy wrote: >I stripped out the picture - go to the website to look. >Edward > > >An advanced hybrid diesel engine, capable of returning 60mpg will power >the planned production version of Land Rover's stunning LRX, it has been >announced. > > >Tipped to go on sale in 2009, the three door cross-coupe was the star of >this year's 2008 Detroit Motor Show, and dramatically takes Land Rover >into an uncharted sector of the new car market. > >"The LRX concept delivers the powerful message that we are as serious >about sustainability as we are confident about the relevance and >desirability of our vehicles" said Phil Popham, Land Rovers managing >director. "LRX is in every respect a Land Rover, but it is a very >different Land Rover," he added. > >Though exact details of the engine are still top secret, the firm has >announced that the 2.0-litre diesel electric hybrid unit will be capable >of running on bio fuel, and is the first to feature the firm's newly >developed Electric Rear Axle Drive (ERAD). > >This will allow the car to drive in a fully electric mode at low speeds, >while retaining unbeatable off road ability and impressive on road >performance. > >With a CO2 output of 120g/km, the car meets tough new emissions >legislation, due to be introduced in 2012. > >More LAND ROVER LRX: > > o News, Auto Express News: Land Rover LRX > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:23:26 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] New Rover with 60MPG hybrid diesel!! You go John! didn't france pass a law a few years ago that you couldn't register cars over 5 years old or something like that??? I recall reading something along those lines, but do not remember the details and probably have them wrong... anyone remember this? it may be in our digests... I surely commented on it to the lists... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Edward Pomeroy wrote: You don't really want to know the answer to that. To list some of the insanity going on in Europe - by 2012 no car can emit more than 140 grams of CO2 per some number of miles, I don't have the rules and formulas memorized but can dig it up at work if necessary. All parts of the car must be recyclable and you the buyer are paying for that cost up front when you buy a new car. To the extreme that the materials used in the car must be designed to be easily removed and recycled (if unchecked, this may kill the old car hobby in europe, there is one hell of a fight going on now over just that). As you may be aware, the nanny state now requires all trucks over 2 tons to have a trip recorder in it that logs speed and mileage and you are taxed on road usage or fined for breaking the law based on the readings, so if you are a trucker, you are locked in to so many hours of driving per day and at no more than the mandated speeds (they use team drivers to get around the driving time limits on long haul). Then you have to take a break, stop at a hotel or whatever. It is already increasing the cost of shipping intra EU like crazy. And if you are a private party that happens to want a nice large truck, you too are snared in this idiocy plus you need to get a CDL to drive your private truck (and the cost of doing so runs into the thousands of dollars). Also, in Norway for example, they passed a law that says that a truck by definition cannot carry more than 3 persons in the front seats so if you want a twin cab US truck (or a HUMMER) over there, you have to strip out the rear seats and use it only for cargo or you can't get it registered. And on and on it goes. Welcome to the brave new EU world. Our new CAFE standard is a baby step down this road, I am a proponent of letting the marketplace determine what is built. If people demand smaller vehicles, the industry will go that way, if they don't, it won't. (but by golly the elites will force you to like it!). Edward jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >What environmentally paranoid legislation are they referencing in 2012? Some >dastardly anti-capitalist UN mandate? > >J > >-- Edward Pomeroy wrote: >I stripped out the picture - go to the website to look. >Edward > > >An advanced hybrid diesel engine, capable of returning 60mpg will power >the planned production version of Land Rover's stunning LRX, it has been >announced. > > >Tipped to go on sale in 2009, the three door cross-coupe was the star of >this year's 2008 Detroit Motor Show, and dramatically takes Land Rover >into an uncharted sector of the new car market. > >"The LRX concept delivers the powerful message that we are as serious >about sustainability as we are confident about the relevance and >desirability of our vehicles" said Phil Popham, Land Rovers managing >director. "LRX is in every respect a Land Rover, but it is a very >different Land Rover," he added. > >Though exact details of the engine are still top secret, the firm has >announced that the 2.0-litre diesel electric hybrid unit will be capable >of running on bio fuel, and is the first to feature the firm's newly >developed Electric Rear Axle Drive (ERAD). > >This will allow the car to drive in a fully electric mode at low speeds, >while retaining unbeatable off road ability and impressive on road >performance. > >With a CO2 output of 120g/km, the car meets tough new emissions >legislation, due to be introduced in 2012. > >More LAND ROVER LRX: > > o News, Auto Express News: Land Rover LRX > ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2639 **********************************