From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 25 08:57:01 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, January 25 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2648 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] New toy, maybe Re: [db] Worlds Cheapest Car RE: [db] New toy, maybe [db] RE: xj: thursday, 24 jan 08 Re: [db] thursday, 24 jan 08 Re: [db] New toy, maybe Re: [db] New toy, maybe RE: [db] New toy, maybe Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:06:11 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: [db] New toy, maybe I've had both a 1980 240D automatic and an 1985 300D. Thoroughly enjoyed them both, but I'd have to say that the 85 with the turbo 5 was my favorite of every vehicle I've owned. Not the winner on some individual aspects, especially compared to my 89 300CE or the 85 Porsche 944, but overall the 85 300D was the most satisfying and friendly. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of J.B. Hebert > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:55 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe > > > Sorry, that should have been '82 300CD. > > At 09:48 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: > >To throw in my 2 cents, the turbo 5 cylinder cars will get the same > >fuel economy or better with much better drivability. If this car is > >an absolute creampuff, it's probably worth it. Otherwise, I'd look > >for the same car in the turbo variety (1982 to 1985). I got a > >consistent 29 MPG (measured) in my '92 300CD, mixed, and I drove it > >to the boards all the time. > > > >Good luck. > > > >J.B. > > > >At 02:22 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: > > > >>Edward, > >> > >>The asking price seems high, but I've seen higher. I'd expect to > >>get 28-30 mpg, depending on the driving conditions. That's what I > >>got with my '81 240D. It had a stick, but the mpg difference > >>should only be 1-2. The difference in power (if you can use that > >>word in the same sentence as "240D"... ;-) ) is negligible. The > >>car is almost a slug, but a stately looking one. I wish I > still had mine. > >> > >>If the A/C only blows "cool", just recharge it. It no cool air > >>comes out, the total repair for compressor, etc, will run around > >>$1200 if a shop does it. Of course, you won't be able to know what > >>the state of the A/C is for several months unless you test it in a > >>heated garage. > >> > >>The W123's are pretty much bullet proof. The engine is the > >>Eveready Bunny of the MB diesels. I know of a guy who replaced his > >>240D engine with a factory rebuilt one at 728,000 miles. It was > >>still running, but was going through a quart of oil every 50 > >>miles. The windshield will probably be pitted, but you won't > >>notice it until you drive into the sun on a damp morning. All the > >>rubber parts will possibly be dried out and may need replacing. In > >>other words, expect to address the normal age related problems > >>associated with any "antique". > >> > >>I'd jump at it for $2500 if it is as clean as it is described. > >> > >>Take pictures... > >> > >>Jon > >> > >>Edward wrote: > >>>Well, if it stops snowing (12:" in the last 12 hours) I may be > >>>heading out to the wine country near lake Michigan to look at a > >>>1979 240D with 113K original miles on it. The owner drove it up > >>>from FL and is looking to make more space in his barn. > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:24:14 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] Worlds Cheapest Car Heh, I pass one on my commute... a trabant some days.. and a Reliant Robin on others.. On Jan 11, 2008 3:16 AM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > > http://www.manufacturing.net/News-Tata-Displeays-Cheap-Car.aspx?menuid=36 > > > > > http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=660b04f6-7675-460e-8245-86b1f2e8dff3&k=51000 > > *** Anybody remember the Yugo? > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:00:05 -0800 From: "Travis S. Thornton" Subject: RE: [db] New toy, maybe I bought a '74 with similar mileage (118, not 123) up here in WA for $3 and sold it a year and a half later at $2.8, and that one had had a crunched right front panel that was repaired with heavy bondo. I didn't care because it ran great and the interior was sweet, and neither did my buyer. So, I guess your price isn't out of line. I agree with the others on mileage. Mine was 4 speed manual and it got around 30 on the highway (and cruised at 70 very nicely for a 4-speed), less around town because I was always punching it and running high rpms through the gears to get up to speed. Good luck. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Hoffman Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:34 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe For some reason 37mpg seems awfully high to me. I never got more than 28mpg with my '82 240D. But I think people have reported low 30's. I paid $2800 for mine with 200k+ on the clock so that "might" be in the ball park. Jim - --- Edward Pomeroy wrote: > Well, if it stops snowing (12:" in the last 12 > hours) I may be heading > out to the wine country near lake Michigan to look > at a 1979 240D with > 113K original miles on it. The owner drove it up > from FL and is looking > to make more space in his barn. > > I have been in this type car when used as a Taxi > down in S. America and > it always struck me as roomy, dependable if noisy. > > It has the automatic trans., not manual. Any > weakness there? > > I know there have been a lot of posts back and forth > on the bad/good > side of these cars. I expect it to be slow to get > rolling and noisy, > but other than that, what are the weak points I > should be looking > for/at besides leaks, cracked dash and rusty > towers? > > Says the A/C not cold and the dash lights quit > working. I expect the > latter to be dirty/corroded contacts at the fuse > box. Not that I can > test the A/C at the current 18F > > Owner said it yielded 37MPG on the way up from FL. > Interior real clean, > body sound (no rust) and a recent paint job. Has > been parked for a few > months. > > Will check mail tomorrow AM before heading to work > and DB hunting. His > asking is 3850 OBO. If it is as good as he claims, > what is it worth on > the open market? > > Cheers, > Edward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:16:05 -0600 From: Allen Zylstra Subject: [db] RE: xj: thursday, 24 jan 08 John, I used a outboard boat motor primer bulb with good results. They are cheap too. Allen> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:57:18 -0800> From: john-at-wagoneers.com> To: > Subject: xj: thursday, 24 jan 08> > sunburn damage is gone, dime sized chunk removed... skin cancer surgery> went well on the first go round... so far, so good... will be using sun screen/hats.> > of course had to take pictures of Seattle while I was down there. :)> > mark (my son) is home for good from the air force and has been helping out... > he did the brakes on my 300d yesterday. Today he finally drove Rambo... > and opened the hood of his 460 powered Javelin...> > http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/01-Jan-24-Seattle-Javelin-Rambo/ALL.html> > I talked mark into installing the racor filter elements for omega that I picked > up in seattle... but no happiness on getting Omega started. :(> > (not sure if I shared the pictures from last week when we brought omega home:> The WJ did a superb job of hauling Omega... the trailer and omega were definetly> heavier than the wj... but the surge brake worked amazingly well. the trailer> was 2,000lbs, Omega must be at least 5,000lbs with dual tanks and the 6.2L Diesel.> The Wj weighs around 3900lbs... but that 4.7L V8 is amazing... I'm still thinking> that would be the best driveline for Superdawg... (he's coming home later)> http://wagoneers.com/fotos/2008/01-Jan-19-mark-snow-omega_recovery/ALL.html )> > mark actually took the '89 GW into seattle tonight... we'll see how well that goes,> he wanted to take my benz... :) > > still need to bleed the fuel system on Omega, did find out that the filter on the> primary side was dry, so when it was started it completely emptied all the filters> and lines... oh boy. I'm thinking of using my vacuum tester/pump to bleed it.> If my ear isn't hurting too much tomorrow I'll spend some quality time with my Jeep. :)> > supposed to be cold the next few days, 50% chance of snow sat/sun too... need> to get my jeep running!!! > > anyone have any tricks for quickly priming a 6.2L Diesel? :)> > -----> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com **> - ----------------------------------------------------------------------> there's a solution for every problem;> problem is can we afford the solution?> - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:43:27 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] thursday, 24 jan 08 cold doesn't bother me... I still remember your weather. :) my son is used to Arizona and he's got to do the wrenching for the next few days while my ear heals up. ;) I see frost outside... but also sunshine... which means it'll probably go from the low thirties to the forties and drop down again when the sun goes away, I see no clouds, no clouds means we get cold. weather underground says it's 27 now, high of 40... http://www.wunderground.com/US/WA/Snohomish.html?bannertypeclick=htmlSticker of course our weather varies greatly within miles! Wednesday night I was teaching in Everett, about 8 miles west of hear. It was 36 degrees by the Everett Mall. I stopped for Diesel at Thomas Lake, about 3 miles east of the mall... 32 degrees... as I drove east and home another 4 or 5 miles the temperature dropped until it was 26 degrees at my place. Paine Field is about 10 miles from my house and there can be 10 degrees difference in temperature... it's odd because PF is at 605 feet, my place is at 350 feet... but then again PF is a mile from the Puget Sound, so the salt water must keep it warmer... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # # > supposed to be cold the next few days, 50% chance of # > snow sat/sun too... need # > to get my jeep running!!! # > # # HA! You don't know what "cold" is there on the left # coast! We had a heat wave here... Was only -6F this # morning compared to the -10F and -11F the previous two # mornings! Oh, yeah, and it's supposed to snow here # too, tonight... # # Better bundle up John... Wouldn't want you to get too # cold! # # ;) # # Jim # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:45:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe I agree... the turbo models seem to do better all around. my '81 300D didn't get as good of gas mileage as my '83 300SD did. difference, turbo. if someone drove a 240d with a perfectly tweaked and tuned engine, tires pumped up in air pressure, lightly loaded, perfectly waxed, with a tail wind at 40mph... it's possible they could have gotten into the 30s. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, J.B. Hebert wrote: # To throw in my 2 cents, the turbo 5 cylinder cars will get the same fuel # economy or better with much better drivability. If this car is an absolute # creampuff, it's probably worth it. Otherwise, I'd look for the same car in # the turbo variety (1982 to 1985). I got a consistent 29 MPG (measured) in my # '92 300CD, mixed, and I drove it to the boards all the time. # # Good luck. # # J.B. # # At 02:22 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: # # >Edward, # > # >The asking price seems high, but I've seen higher. I'd expect to get 28-30 # >mpg, depending on the driving conditions. That's what I got with my '81 # >240D. It had a stick, but the mpg difference should only be 1-2. The # >difference in power (if you can use that word in the same sentence as # >"240D"... ;-) ) is negligible. The car is almost a slug, but a stately # >looking one. I wish I still had mine. # > # >If the A/C only blows "cool", just recharge it. It no cool air comes out, # >the total repair for compressor, etc, will run around $1200 if a shop does # >it. Of course, you won't be able to know what the state of the A/C is for # >several months unless you test it in a heated garage. # > # >The W123's are pretty much bullet proof. The engine is the Eveready Bunny # >of the MB diesels. I know of a guy who replaced his 240D engine with a # >factory rebuilt one at 728,000 miles. It was still running, but was going # >through a quart of oil every 50 miles. The windshield will probably be # >pitted, but you won't notice it until you drive into the sun on a damp # >morning. All the rubber parts will possibly be dried out and may need # >replacing. In other words, expect to address the normal age related # >problems associated with any "antique". # > # >I'd jump at it for $2500 if it is as clean as it is described. # > # >Take pictures... # > # >Jon # > # >Edward wrote: # > >Well, if it stops snowing (12:" in the last 12 hours) I may be heading out # > >to the wine country near lake Michigan to look at a 1979 240D with 113K # > >original miles on it. The owner drove it up from FL and is looking to # > >make more space in his barn. # > # > # > # >-- # >No virus found in this incoming message. # >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: # >269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:46:00 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe yeah, was wondering about that... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, J.B. Hebert wrote: # Sorry, that should have been '82 300CD. # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:56:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: [db] New toy, maybe The 123 series with a 5-cyl turbo ranks high on my list as well. there is something special about their looks and feel. I love my 124 2.5L TD 5 cyl, but those 123's still catch my eye. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # I've had both a 1980 240D automatic and an 1985 300D. # Thoroughly enjoyed them both, but I'd have to say that the 85 with the turbo # 5 was my favorite of every vehicle I've owned. Not the winner on some # individual aspects, especially compared to my 89 300CE or the 85 Porsche # 944, but overall the 85 300D was the most satisfying and friendly. # # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of J.B. Hebert # > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:55 AM # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # > Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe # > # > # > Sorry, that should have been '82 300CD. # > # > At 09:48 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: # > >To throw in my 2 cents, the turbo 5 cylinder cars will get the same # > >fuel economy or better with much better drivability. If this car is # > >an absolute creampuff, it's probably worth it. Otherwise, I'd look # > >for the same car in the turbo variety (1982 to 1985). I got a # > >consistent 29 MPG (measured) in my '92 300CD, mixed, and I drove it # > >to the boards all the time. # > > # > >Good luck. # > > # > >J.B. # > > # > >At 02:22 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: # > > # > >>Edward, # > >> # > >>The asking price seems high, but I've seen higher. I'd expect to # > >>get 28-30 mpg, depending on the driving conditions. That's what I # > >>got with my '81 240D. It had a stick, but the mpg difference # > >>should only be 1-2. The difference in power (if you can use that # > >>word in the same sentence as "240D"... ;-) ) is negligible. The # > >>car is almost a slug, but a stately looking one. I wish I # > still had mine. # > >> # > >>If the A/C only blows "cool", just recharge it. It no cool air # > >>comes out, the total repair for compressor, etc, will run around # > >>$1200 if a shop does it. Of course, you won't be able to know what # > >>the state of the A/C is for several months unless you test it in a # > >>heated garage. # > >> # > >>The W123's are pretty much bullet proof. The engine is the # > >>Eveready Bunny of the MB diesels. I know of a guy who replaced his # > >>240D engine with a factory rebuilt one at 728,000 miles. It was # > >>still running, but was going through a quart of oil every 50 # > >>miles. The windshield will probably be pitted, but you won't # > >>notice it until you drive into the sun on a damp morning. All the # > >>rubber parts will possibly be dried out and may need replacing. In # > >>other words, expect to address the normal age related problems # > >>associated with any "antique". # > >> # > >>I'd jump at it for $2500 if it is as clean as it is described. # > >> # > >>Take pictures... # > >> # > >>Jon # > >> # > >>Edward wrote: # > >>>Well, if it stops snowing (12:" in the last 12 hours) I may be # > >>>heading out to the wine country near lake Michigan to look at a # > >>>1979 240D with 113K original miles on it. The owner drove it up # > >>>from FL and is looking to make more space in his barn. # > # > # > -- # > No virus found in this outgoing message. # > Checked by AVG Free Edition. # > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: # > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2648 **********************************