From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Jan 25 17:26:45 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, January 26 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2650 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: [db] New toy, maybe Re: [db] New toy, maybe Re: [db] New toy, maybe Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:31:07 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: RE: [db] New toy, maybe They don't check that in MI. They still believe in freedom to a certain extent in MI. It's wonderful....so liberating to not be a slave to the government.....well, not as much.......honestly, I might move back.......of course, then my 300SDL will become a 3-season car, and I'd have to find an old Suburban or something. Well, oh well. Edward? J - -- john wrote: my '75 240D had the pump cranked up when I got it... it was pretty fast... then I looked in the mirror... no mosquitoes were found in king or snohomish county after that trip. :) it failed emissions test miserably until I turned the pump back down to reality. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Heh heh heh. # # It's all a matter of preference. I have owned and driven all 3; 240D, non-turbo 300D, and turbo 300D. I absolutely loved all 3. Was the 240D slow? You bet, but actually not as bad as they say. The first time you drive it it feels like a putz, but once you get used to it, it's not bad at all. The engine doesn't mind pedal-to-the-metal windups, (just keep the oil changed and full) and it can actually be turned up quite a bit if you don't have patience. (Unblock the accellerator lever at the IP, adjust the pedal linkage accordingly, and turn the IP itself up more if you're a real die-hard speed demon. I only adjusted the linkages, I never adjusted the IP itself, but it nonetheless is possible if you don't live next to the EPA and don't mind less fuel economy.) # # Having had all 3, I do prefer the turbo, BUT I would gladly own and drive another 240D. They're still great cars, and once you get used to them, they actually aren't that bad. It helps that they're geared low so they'll wind out. And adjusting them does work.....the official top speed on those is 81 or 82......I had mine up to 84 or 85....... # # In a word, drive the car for about half an hour, and you will either love it or hate it. If you like it, I say go for it. I never regretted getting my 240D. It was a great car. I only parked it because the rust got it. But I might try to keep it for my casket; I still love the poor old thing that well. And FWIW, I'm not that attached to either of my 300Ds. They're more fun, but IMHO less personable. The 240Ds aren't macho or flashy, but their sweet humble faithfulness makes them THE most endearing car I have ever driven. It is still a very close friend to me, even though it is just a parts car now. # # Top that eulogy with practically any other car! If you like it, buy it. You'll never want to part with it. # # J # # -----Original Message----- # # From: john # Subj: RE: [db] New toy, maybe # Date: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:55 am # Size: 3K # To: Alec Cordova # cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # The 123 series with a 5-cyl turbo ranks high on my list as well. # there is something special about their looks and feel. I love # my 124 2.5L TD 5 cyl, but those 123's still catch my eye. # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # there's a solution for every problem; # problem is can we afford the solution? # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: # # # I've had both a 1980 240D automatic and an 1985 300D. # # Thoroughly enjoyed them both, but I'd have to say that the 85 with the turbo # # 5 was my favorite of every vehicle I've owned. Not the winner on some # # individual aspects, especially compared to my 89 300CE or the 85 Porsche # # 944, but overall the 85 300D was the most satisfying and friendly. # # # # > -----Original Message----- # # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of J.B. Hebert # # > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:55 AM # # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net # # > Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe # # > # # > # # > Sorry, that should have been '82 300CD. # # > # # > At 09:48 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: # # > >To throw in my 2 cents, the turbo 5 cylinder cars will get the same # # > >fuel economy or better with much better drivability. If this car is # # > >an absolute creampuff, it's probably worth it. Otherwise, I'd look # # > >for the same car in the turbo variety (1982 to 1985). I got a # # > >consistent 29 MPG (measured) in my '92 300CD, mixed, and I drove it # # > >to the boards all the time. # # > > # # > >Good luck. # # > > # # > >J.B. # # > > # # > >At 02:22 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: # # > > # # > >>Edward, # # > >> # # > >>The asking price seems high, but I've seen higher. I'd expect to # # > >>get 28-30 mpg, depending on the driving conditions. That's what I # # > >>got with my '81 240D. It had a stick, but the mpg difference # # > >>should only be 1-2. The difference in power (if you can use that # # > >>word in the same sentence as "240D"... ;-) ) is negligible. The # # > >>car is almost a slug, but a stately looking one. I wish I # # > still had mine. # # > >> # # > >>If the A/C only blows "cool", just recharge it. It no cool air # # > >>comes out, the total repair for compressor, etc, will run around # # > >>$1200 if a shop does it. Of course, you won't be able to know what # # > >>the state of the A/C is for several months unless you test it in a # # > >>heated garage. # # > >> # # > >>The W123's are pretty much bullet proof. The engine is the # # > >>Eveready Bunny of the MB diesels. I know of a guy who replaced his # # > >>240D engine with a factory rebuilt one at 728,000 miles. It was # # > >>still running, but was going through a quart of oil every 50 # # > >>miles. The windshield will probably be pitted, but you won't # # > >>notice it until you drive into the sun on a damp morning. All the # # > >>rubber parts will possibly be dried out and may need replacing. In # # > >>other words, expect to address the normal age related problems # # > >>associated with any "antique". # # > >> # # > >>I'd jump at it for $2500 if it is as clean as it is described. # # > >> # # > >>Take pictures... # # > >> # # > >>Jon # # > >> # # > >>Edward wrote: # # > >>>Well, if it stops snowing (12:" in the last 12 hours) I may be # # > >>>heading out to the wine country near lake Michigan to look at a # # > >>>1979 240D with 113K original miles on it. The owner drove it up # # > >>>from FL and is looking to make more space in his barn. # # > # # > # # > -- # # > No virus found in this outgoing message. # # > Checked by AVG Free Edition. # # > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: # # > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM # # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:16:21 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe Hmm, beginning to think I mis understood, maybe it was 27 and not 37. I just sent John the 3 pictures that did come out passable but I will have to go back and look again when the barn can be opened to daylight. If he can post links everyone can get to see the beastie. Edward Paul Masterson wrote: > I am getting just under 30 in my 1980 240D stick. Of course, it has > been "lightened" by time on road salt, plus a/c compressor removal, so > that may be the ticket. > > I got mid twenties in my 300sd, but it was a w116 model, so may not > have been as efficient as later versions. > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" > To: "J.B. Hebert" > Cc: "Jon Filina" ; > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:45 AM > Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe > > >> I agree... the turbo models seem to do better all around. my '81 >> 300D didn't >> get as good of gas mileage as my '83 300SD did. difference, turbo. >> >> if someone drove a 240d with a perfectly tweaked and tuned engine, >> tires pumped >> up in air pressure, lightly loaded, perfectly waxed, with a tail wind at >> 40mph... it's possible they could have gotten into the 30s. :) >> >> ----- >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold >> http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> there's a solution for every problem; >> problem is can we afford the solution? >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, J.B. Hebert wrote: >> >> # To throw in my 2 cents, the turbo 5 cylinder cars will get the same >> fuel >> # economy or better with much better drivability. If this car is an >> absolute >> # creampuff, it's probably worth it. Otherwise, I'd look for the >> same car in >> # the turbo variety (1982 to 1985). I got a consistent 29 MPG >> (measured) in my >> # '92 300CD, mixed, and I drove it to the boards all the time. >> # >> # Good luck. >> # >> # J.B. >> # >> # At 02:22 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: >> # >> # >Edward, >> # > >> # >The asking price seems high, but I've seen higher. I'd expect to >> get 28-30 >> # >mpg, depending on the driving conditions. That's what I got with >> my '81 >> # >240D. It had a stick, but the mpg difference should only be 1-2. >> The >> # >difference in power (if you can use that word in the same sentence as >> # >"240D"... ;-) ) is negligible. The car is almost a slug, but a >> stately >> # >looking one. I wish I still had mine. >> # > >> # >If the A/C only blows "cool", just recharge it. It no cool air >> comes out, >> # >the total repair for compressor, etc, will run around $1200 if a >> shop does >> # >it. Of course, you won't be able to know what the state of the >> A/C is for >> # >several months unless you test it in a heated garage. >> # > >> # >The W123's are pretty much bullet proof. The engine is the >> Eveready Bunny >> # >of the MB diesels. I know of a guy who replaced his 240D engine >> with a >> # >factory rebuilt one at 728,000 miles. It was still running, but >> was going >> # >through a quart of oil every 50 miles. The windshield will >> probably be >> # >pitted, but you won't notice it until you drive into the sun on a >> damp >> # >morning. All the rubber parts will possibly be dried out and may >> need >> # >replacing. In other words, expect to address the normal age related >> # >problems associated with any "antique". >> # > >> # >I'd jump at it for $2500 if it is as clean as it is described. >> # > >> # >Take pictures... >> # > >> # >Jon >> # > >> # >Edward wrote: >> # > >Well, if it stops snowing (12:" in the last 12 hours) I may be >> heading out >> # > >to the wine country near lake Michigan to look at a 1979 240D >> with 113K >> # > >original miles on it. The owner drove it up from FL and is >> looking to >> # > >make more space in his barn. >> # > >> # > >> # > >> # >-- >> # >No virus found in this incoming message. >> # >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: >> # >269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM >> # >> # >> # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:25:20 -0500 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe Absolutely right. I used to live in MD and PA where the inspections were deadly, have been in MI almost 30 years now, no inspections, no tests, zilch, nada. It is up to the owner to care for his own safety and that of others. In some ways I love it, in others, when you see some of the clapped out rust heaps on the road, it does make you flinch a bit but I will take personal responsibility over the nanny state any time. And no, you don't want to move back here. Taxes are up, unemployment is up, net outflow of residents and business unfriendly local and state government to boot. They talk a good game but do not practice it. I would consider moving to WA or TN before coming to MI. See what a good spokesman I am for the state!!! Then again, if you do have a good job and family in the area, it has it's good points..... beaches, fresh water galore, every outdoor activity you can imagine for all seasons, da U.P. eh! Edward jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: >They don't check that in MI. They still believe in freedom to a certain extent >in MI. It's wonderful....so liberating to not be a slave to the >government.....well, not as much.......honestly, I might move back.......of >course, then my 300SDL will become a 3-season car, and I'd have to find an old >Suburban or something. Well, oh well. Edward? > >J > >-- john wrote: >my '75 240D had the pump cranked up when I got it... it was pretty >fast... then I looked in the mirror... no mosquitoes were found in >king or snohomish county after that trip. :) it failed emissions >test miserably until I turned the pump back down to reality. > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: > > # Heh heh heh. > # > # It's all a matter of preference. I have owned and driven all 3; 240D, >non-turbo 300D, and turbo 300D. I absolutely loved all 3. Was the 240D slow? >You bet, but actually not as bad as they say. The first time you drive it it >feels like a putz, but once you get used to it, it's not bad at all. The >engine doesn't mind pedal-to-the-metal windups, (just keep the oil changed and >full) and it can actually be turned up quite a bit if you don't have patience. >(Unblock the accellerator lever at the IP, adjust the pedal linkage >accordingly, and turn the IP itself up more if you're a real die-hard speed >demon. I only adjusted the linkages, I never adjusted the IP itself, but it >nonetheless is possible if you don't live next to the EPA and don't mind less >fuel economy.) > # > # Having had all 3, I do prefer the turbo, BUT I would gladly own and drive >another 240D. They're still great cars, and once you get used to them, they >actually aren't that bad. It helps that they're geared low so they'll wind >out. And adjusting them does work.....the official top speed on those is 81 or >82......I had mine up to 84 or 85....... > # > # In a word, drive the car for about half an hour, and you will either love >it or hate it. If you like it, I say go for it. I never regretted getting my >240D. It was a great car. I only parked it because the rust got it. But I >might try to keep it for my casket; I still love the poor old thing that well. >And FWIW, I'm not that attached to either of my 300Ds. They're more fun, but >IMHO less personable. The 240Ds aren't macho or flashy, but their sweet humble >faithfulness makes them THE most endearing car I have ever driven. It is still >a very close friend to me, even though it is just a parts car now. > # > # Top that eulogy with practically any other car! If you like it, buy it. >You'll never want to part with it. > # > # J > # > # -----Original Message----- > # > # From: john > # Subj: RE: [db] New toy, maybe > # Date: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:55 am > # Size: 3K > # To: Alec Cordova > # cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # > # The 123 series with a 5-cyl turbo ranks high on my list as well. > # there is something special about their looks and feel. I love > # my 124 2.5L TD 5 cyl, but those 123's still catch my eye. > # > # ----- > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # there's a solution for every problem; > # problem is can we afford the solution? > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, Alec Cordova wrote: > # > # # I've had both a 1980 240D automatic and an 1985 300D. > # # Thoroughly enjoyed them both, but I'd have to say that the 85 with the >turbo > # # 5 was my favorite of every vehicle I've owned. Not the winner on some > # # individual aspects, especially compared to my 89 300CE or the 85 >Porsche > # # 944, but overall the 85 300D was the most satisfying and friendly. > # # > # # > -----Original Message----- > # # > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # # > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of J.B. Hebert > # # > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:55 AM > # # > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > # # > Subject: Re: [db] New toy, maybe > # # > > # # > > # # > Sorry, that should have been '82 300CD. > # # > > # # > At 09:48 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: > # # > >To throw in my 2 cents, the turbo 5 cylinder cars will get the same > # # > >fuel economy or better with much better drivability. If this car is > # # > >an absolute creampuff, it's probably worth it. Otherwise, I'd look > # # > >for the same car in the turbo variety (1982 to 1985). I got a > # # > >consistent 29 MPG (measured) in my '92 300CD, mixed, and I drove it > # # > >to the boards all the time. > # # > > > # # > >Good luck. > # # > > > # # > >J.B. > # # > > > # # > >At 02:22 AM 1/25/2008, you wrote: > # # > > > # # > >>Edward, > # # > >> > # # > >>The asking price seems high, but I've seen higher. I'd expect to > # # > >>get 28-30 mpg, depending on the driving conditions. That's what I > # # > >>got with my '81 240D. It had a stick, but the mpg difference > # # > >>should only be 1-2. The difference in power (if you can use that > # # > >>word in the same sentence as "240D"... ;-) ) is negligible. The > # # > >>car is almost a slug, but a stately looking one. I wish I > # # > still had mine. > # # > >> > # # > >>If the A/C only blows "cool", just recharge it. It no cool air > # # > >>comes out, the total repair for compressor, etc, will run around > # # > >>$1200 if a shop does it. Of course, you won't be able to know what > # # > >>the state of the A/C is for several months unless you test it in a > # # > >>heated garage. > # # > >> > # # > >>The W123's are pretty much bullet proof. The engine is the > # # > >>Eveready Bunny of the MB diesels. I know of a guy who replaced his > # # > >>240D engine with a factory rebuilt one at 728,000 miles. It was > # # > >>still running, but was going through a quart of oil every 50 > # # > >>miles. The windshield will probably be pitted, but you won't > # # > >>notice it until you drive into the sun on a damp morning. All the > # # > >>rubber parts will possibly be dried out and may need replacing. In > # # > >>other words, expect to address the normal age related problems > # # > >>associated with any "antique". > # # > >> > # # > >>I'd jump at it for $2500 if it is as clean as it is described. > # # > >> > # # > >>Take pictures... > # # > >> > # # > >>Jon > # # > >> > # # > >>Edward wrote: > # # > >>>Well, if it stops snowing (12:" in the last 12 hours) I may be > # # > >>>heading out to the wine country near lake Michigan to look at a > # # > >>>1979 240D with 113K original miles on it. The owner drove it up > # # > >>>from FL and is looking to make more space in his barn. > # # > > # # > > # # > -- > # # > No virus found in this outgoing message. > # # > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > # # > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: > # # > 1/25/2008 11:24 AM > # # > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2650 **********************************