From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 8 10:48:44 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, February 8 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2656 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: Mercedes diesel in an XJ plans again [db] Diesel dreams do come true... :) [db] Re: Fw: Cool Advertisement Re: [db] Mercedes diesel in an XJ plans again (fwd) [db] GM Building New Diesel Engine At Ohio Plant [db] GM Building New Diesel Engine At Ohio Plant (fwd) Re: [db] GM Building New Diesel Engine At Ohio Plant (fwd) Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: Mercedes diesel in an XJ plans again RE: Mercedes Diesel swap # http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=940087 main problems: - engine to transmission adaptation - or benz trans to jeep xfr case (most promisinig solution) - oil pan clearance to axle, need rear sump I chose to go with the 6.2L Diesel in my '91 Grand Wagoneer.. availability, familiarity, durability, simplicity, cost, it's a V8, my SJ had a V8... adapters available for GM to Jeep xfr cases. Motor mount kit and radiator available... I'll be gathering up pictures and details and do a full write up. basic parts needed beyond the 6.2L/700R4: - chevy big block motor mounts, $150 - chevy radiator for jeep, needs larger in/out, or adapters $250 - oil cooler $75-100 - novak adapter (forgot cost, probably around $450) - different exhaust downheader going to get the exhaust system installed tomorrow if I can take the day off. :) john one thread on the link provided by jim noted a lot of the issues: spinsession spinsession is offline NAXJA Forum User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fenton, MI Posts: 10 Re: to swap or not to swap..... I too have been VERY interested in doing this. I think that there are others. If you find a shop who will make adapter plates for you, we might be able to drum up a group purchase to make it more worth their while. I believe that there are other concerns with this swap, however. I saw an MJ with a Merc. 5 cylinder in it, but his rig was 2wd and he just used the Mercedes trans. His major problem was clearance between the front differential housing and the oil pan. His MJ was originally 4wd, so he just swapped in the straight 2wd front axle without a pumpkin and his problem was solved. It's not just a matter of building a custom oil pan either though because the oil pump sits right where the clearance problem is. I saw one guy try to adapt an electric remote oil pump. He then built a custom oil pan similar to the XJ in shape. His engine seized after about 5000 miles, evidently he wasn't flowing enough oil. I saw another guy who pulled off this swap while keeping his 4wd. His solution was 8+" of lift and LONG bump stops to keep the differential off the oil pan. He built his own adapter plate and flywheel to bolt to the AX-15. He also wound up plating the entire front part of the frame with 1/4" steel after the first set of mounts shredded the XJ sheet metal. The last person I saw attempt this decided to mount the engine higher in the bay. This led to severe cutting of the trans tunnel, followed by a messy rebuild of the area. Then the paint on his hood fried because the motor was too close to it. Overall, that one was a hack job. I don't mean to discourage you, but I've done a lot of reading (and dreaming) about doing this conversion. It's just not as easy as coming up with an adapter plate (although that would be a major step in the right direction). If you can figure out a way to make it work, I will be the first to congratulate you, and then promptly copy you. Btw...for the record, the three examples I cited did make it work...sorta. It can be done! I park my 300 Wagon next to my XJ every day with the hope that one day the two might become one. lol Seriously though, if I can be of any help I'd love to work together on this. If you need pictures of either vehicle or have specific questions about the components, I'll do my best to lend a hand. Unless you're set on the Mercedes motor, I know that guys have pretty good success with the Cummins 4bt swap. Not nearly as pimp as popping the hood and seeing the Mercedes star though! Good luck! ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6 Feb 2008, Jim Blair wrote: # These guys are getting around to it. Anyone got some ideas for them? # http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=940087 # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:02:28 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Diesel dreams do come true... :) On Thu, 7 Feb 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: # You started it w/o exhaust? I've never heard a diesel w/o exhaust # hooked up....that must've been LOUD. # wasn't that bad actually. :) of course it's got the collector pipes back to where a converter used to live... so they weren't open at the exhaust ports... still loud, my wife heard it in the house... on the other side of the house... past the garage and a myriad of gardens... with the windows closed and the TV on... about 100 feet away... :) tomorrow, airport welding... exhaust... taking a day off work to get Omega done. :) going home tonight to work on it... need the mental health time, it's crazy at work, grad school, school... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] Re: Fw: Cool Advertisement I wonder if they weren't hacked... :) ...by Rube Goldberg. :) Take a look at http://producten.hema.nl/ HEMA's product page. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? # Click on the link below and watch the full thing. # Why can't we have sights like that around here? # Glen # # ----- Original Message ----- # From: Carol Rubeck # To: Phil Dellner # Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:21 PM # Subject: Fwd: Cool Advertisement # # # # # # Now this is a way cool advertisement # # # # # HEMA is a Dutch department store. The first store opened on # # November 4, 1926, in Amsterdam . Now there are 150 stores all over # # The Netherlands . HEMA also has stores in Belgium, Luxembourg, and # # Germany . In June of this year, HEMA was sold to British # # Investment company Lion Capital. # # # # Take a look at HEMA's product page. # # You can't order anything and it's in Dutch but just wait a couple # # Of seconds and watch what happens. # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:14:14 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Mercedes diesel in an XJ plans again (fwd) Keep the Mercedes tranny and use a divorced t-case (NP205, Samurai, G-Wagon) that has the appropriate drop for the front axle they're using. Easy as pie. J.B. At 10:38 AM 2/7/2008, john wrote: > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > there's a solution for every problem; > problem is can we afford the solution? >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Jim Blair > >These guys are getting around to it. Anyone got some ideas for them? >http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=940087 > >Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Climb to the top of the charts! 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Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 2/6/2008 8:14 PM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 06:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: [db] GM Building New Diesel Engine At Ohio Plant http://www.manufacturing.net/News-GM-Building-New-Diesel-Engine-At-Ohio-Plant.aspx?menuid=36 Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:49:03 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] GM Building New Diesel Engine At Ohio Plant (fwd) http://www.manufacturing.net/News-GM-Building-New-Diesel-Engine-At-Ohio-Plant.aspx?menuid=36 does anyone know if the 6.6 will bolt up to a 700R4 that's mated to the 6.2? ;) need to get outside and finish up some wiring and a few other mechanical tasks, and Omega will be heading down the hill to the muffler shop... airport welding at harvey field on the south end of snohomish... only open during the weekdays... took the day off... worked on it last night and found the aux tank may be hooked up wrong... or it's gone bad which would be odd since it was working on superdawg... 7 years ago... ;) it's not pouring rain, in the 40s... wind warning which means we may get a storm later, but we'll see... heading out to the carport to get some quality wrench time in. :) of course, pictures to follow... will do a complete write up on this conversion project... used off the shelf parts for the most part... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- there's a solution for every problem; problem is can we afford the solution? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.manufacturing.net/News-GM-Building-New-Diesel-Engine-At-Ohio-Plant.aspx?menuid=36 Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:46:00 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] GM Building New Diesel Engine At Ohio Plant (fwd) If the 6.6 is being designed to meet upcoming emissions standards, it'll probably be heavily computerized, and it may not be happy with a mix-n-match transmission or full exhaust. Alec On Feb 8, 2008 11:49 AM, john wrote: > http://www.manufacturing.net/News-GM-Building-New-Diesel-Engine-At-Ohio-Plant.aspx?menuid=36 > > does anyone know if the 6.6 will bolt up to a 700R4 that's mated to the 6.2? ;) > > need to get outside and finish up some wiring and a few other mechanical > tasks, and Omega will be heading down the hill to the muffler shop... airport > welding at harvey field on the south end of snohomish... only open during > the weekdays... took the day off... worked on it last night and found the > aux tank may be hooked up wrong... or it's gone bad which would be odd since > it was working on superdawg... 7 years ago... ;) > > it's not pouring rain, in the 40s... wind warning which means we may get > a storm later, but we'll see... heading out to the carport to get some quality > wrench time in. :) > > of course, pictures to follow... will do a complete write up on this conversion > project... used off the shelf parts for the most part... > > john ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2656 **********************************