From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Thu Feb 14 22:33:04 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, February 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2659 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor Re: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor [db] Detroit Auto Show: Diesels Turn Green and Ecofriendly [db] Diesel Adventure Re: [db] Diesel Adventure Re: [db] Diesel Adventure RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor Re: [db] Diesel Adventure Re: [db] Detroit Auto Show: Diesels Turn Green and Ecofriendly [db] Maintenance Re: [db] Maintenance Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor > actually I've had more than one 123 series mercedes that had the dashboard > oiled... :) *** Isn't that just part of routine maintenance? :) - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:07:57 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor I think you're remembering old British cars there. Alec On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > actually I've had more than one 123 series mercedes that had the dashboard > > oiled... :) > > *** Isn't that just part of routine maintenance? :) > > - Jerry Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: [db] Detroit Auto Show: Diesels Turn Green and Ecofriendly Thought this might interest some people... http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/feb08/5968 Jim - -- '99 Dodge RAM 2500 4X4 Cummins Turbo Diesel '94 Ford F-350 4X4 IDI Turbo Diesel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: [db] Diesel Adventure Hello, Yesterday I had the pleasure of driving my 300D for about four hours. Normally, it's parked at the airport in Fresno. I had to fly to Fresno in the morning because someone had ran a truck into one of my carports at the apartment complex, almost knocking it down. Staff was afraid that kids would complete the job, get hurt, we'd be liable. So I went down there to personally drive and supervise construction of temporary supports. In the afternoon the wind picked up. Fiercely. Savagely. Large sustained gusts made the caution tape thrum like a jews harp. Long story short, I decided to drive home. Could have motel'd it, but the weather forcast for the next day was "more of the same". Good decision. The winds were so high I could even feel them pushing the 300D around. Yeah, aerodynamically it's a brick, but it's a nice low heavy brick :). Coming into the Bay Area I started hearing a sort of resonant banging coming from the rear of the car. Sounded almost like a dragging muffler. Actually, sounded very much like a dragging muffler! At freeway speeds. But below 75MPH the sound stopped. I took the next exit, got out, peered under the car. Nothing hanging, the muffler was secure - at least at the rear mount. The whole exhaust system did feel a bit shaky - not sure if it was more shaky than usual or not. The whole thing is held on with little rubber bands - In the dark with nothing more than my cell phone for light, I couldn't tell if the mid-chassis bands were OK. ( Note to self: get a decent flashlight for each car ) So the 300D is home for a few days. I'll give it a good wash, change the oil, recheck the exhaust system and install new donuts if necessary. Oh, and I also need to wire up the solar cell properly - inside the car, no dangling wires out the door :). - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Adventure ok, what is the maximum speed limit there anyway? ;) sounds like this might be a non-issue for law abiding citizens... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # Hello, # # Yesterday I had the pleasure of driving my 300D for about four hours. # Normally, it's parked at the airport in Fresno. # # I had to fly to Fresno # in the morning because someone had ran a truck into one of my carports at # the apartment complex, almost knocking it down. Staff was afraid that # kids would complete the job, get hurt, we'd be liable. So I went down # there to personally drive and supervise construction of temporary # supports. # # In the afternoon the wind picked up. Fiercely. Savagely. Large # sustained gusts made the caution tape thrum like a jews harp. Long story # short, I decided to drive home. Could have motel'd it, but the weather # forcast for the next day was "more of the same". # # Good decision. The winds were so high I could even feel them pushing # the 300D around. Yeah, aerodynamically it's a brick, but it's a nice low # heavy brick :). # # Coming into the Bay Area I started hearing a sort of resonant banging # coming from the rear of the car. Sounded almost like a dragging muffler. # Actually, sounded very much like a dragging muffler! At freeway speeds. # But below 75MPH the sound stopped. I took the next exit, got out, peered # under the car. Nothing hanging, the muffler was secure - at least at the # rear mount. The whole exhaust system did feel a bit shaky - not sure if # it was more shaky than usual or not. The whole thing is held on with # little rubber bands - In the dark with nothing more than my cell phone # for light, I couldn't tell if the mid-chassis bands were OK. ( Note # to self: get a decent flashlight for each car ) # # So the 300D is home for a few days. I'll give it a good wash, change # the oil, recheck the exhaust system and install new donuts if necessary. # Oh, and I also need to wire up the solar cell properly - inside the car, # no dangling wires out the door :). # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:41:08 -0600 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Adventure Check the driveshaft center support bearing. I think that was the cause of scary highway speed vibration/banging on my 85 300D coming back from a brief tech contract gig near the Mexican border of Texas years back. Kind of stunk having to stay below 45MPH. Alec On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > Hello, > > Yesterday I had the pleasure of driving my 300D for about four hours. > Normally, it's parked at the airport in Fresno. > > I had to fly to Fresno > in the morning because someone had ran a truck into one of my carports at > the apartment complex, almost knocking it down. Staff was afraid that > kids would complete the job, get hurt, we'd be liable. So I went down > there to personally drive and supervise construction of temporary > supports. > > In the afternoon the wind picked up. Fiercely. Savagely. Large > sustained gusts made the caution tape thrum like a jews harp. Long story > short, I decided to drive home. Could have motel'd it, but the weather > forcast for the next day was "more of the same". > > Good decision. The winds were so high I could even feel them pushing > the 300D around. Yeah, aerodynamically it's a brick, but it's a nice low > heavy brick :). > > Coming into the Bay Area I started hearing a sort of resonant banging > coming from the rear of the car. Sounded almost like a dragging muffler. > Actually, sounded very much like a dragging muffler! At freeway speeds. > But below 75MPH the sound stopped. I took the next exit, got out, peered > under the car. Nothing hanging, the muffler was secure - at least at the > rear mount. The whole exhaust system did feel a bit shaky - not sure if > it was more shaky than usual or not. The whole thing is held on with > little rubber bands - In the dark with nothing more than my cell phone > for light, I couldn't tell if the mid-chassis bands were OK. ( Note > to self: get a decent flashlight for each car ) > > So the 300D is home for a few days. I'll give it a good wash, change > the oil, recheck the exhaust system and install new donuts if necessary. > Oh, and I also need to wire up the solar cell properly - inside the car, > no dangling wires out the door :). > > - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:22:28 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a little story about a dying oil pressure sensor It's a design feature to keep the dash from rusting. J.B. At 10:28 AM 2/14/2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > actually I've had more than one 123 series mercedes that had the dashboard > > oiled... :) > >*** Isn't that just part of routine maintenance? :) > > - Jerry Kaidor > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: >2/14/2008 10:28 AM - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 10:28 AM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:25:03 -0500 From: "J.B. Hebert" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel Adventure Could also be the rubber driveshaft discs, as well. When they go they make all kinds of noise. J.B. At 12:41 PM 2/14/2008, Alec Cordova wrote: >Check the driveshaft center support bearing. I think that was the >cause of scary highway speed vibration/banging on my 85 300D coming >back from a brief tech contract gig near the Mexican border of Texas >years back. Kind of stunk having to stay below 45MPH. > >Alec > >On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Jerry Kaidor wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Yesterday I had the pleasure of driving my 300D for about four hours. > > Normally, it's parked at the airport in Fresno. > > > > I had to fly to Fresno > > in the morning because someone had ran a truck into one of my carports at > > the apartment complex, almost knocking it down. Staff was afraid that > > kids would complete the job, get hurt, we'd be liable. So I went down > > there to personally drive and supervise construction of temporary > > supports. > > > > In the afternoon the wind picked up. Fiercely. Savagely. Large > > sustained gusts made the caution tape thrum like a jews harp. Long story > > short, I decided to drive home. Could have motel'd it, but the weather > > forcast for the next day was "more of the same". > > > > Good decision. The winds were so high I could even feel them pushing > > the 300D around. Yeah, aerodynamically it's a brick, but it's a nice low > > heavy brick :). > > > > Coming into the Bay Area I started hearing a sort of resonant banging > > coming from the rear of the car. Sounded almost like a dragging muffler. > > Actually, sounded very much like a dragging muffler! At freeway speeds. > > But below 75MPH the sound stopped. I took the next exit, got out, peered > > under the car. Nothing hanging, the muffler was secure - at least at the > > rear mount. The whole exhaust system did feel a bit shaky - not sure if > > it was more shaky than usual or not. The whole thing is held on with > > little rubber bands - In the dark with nothing more than my cell phone > > for light, I couldn't tell if the mid-chassis bands were OK. ( Note > > to self: get a decent flashlight for each car ) > > > > So the 300D is home for a few days. I'll give it a good wash, change > > the oil, recheck the exhaust system and install new donuts if necessary. > > Oh, and I also need to wire up the solar cell properly - inside the car, > > no dangling wires out the door :). > > > > - Jerry > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: >2/14/2008 10:28 AM - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 10:28 AM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Detroit Auto Show: Diesels Turn Green and Ecofriendly long live Rudolf Christian Diesel... well, at least his most excellent idea. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Thought this might interest some people... # # http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/feb08/5968 # # Jim # # # -- # '99 Dodge RAM 2500 4X4 Cummins Turbo Diesel # '94 Ford F-350 4X4 IDI Turbo Diesel # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:43:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Jerry Kaidor" Subject: [db] Maintenance Well, the 300D has been sitting neglected in Fresno for a couple years so today I * Took it to the carwash and washed it, waxed it, and washed the engine compartment. * reglued the hood liner * Changed the oil & filter * troubleshot the inop coolant temp gauge - it was a bad sender. * looked under the car for banging things - well, the exhaust system COULD bang into sheet metal next door - not sure why it WOULD, though. Just for yuks, I ordered four new rubber donuts. Buymbparts.com listed three different types: a "soft" one for $1.25, and "hard" ones for $2.50 or $5.00. I bought the $5.00 ones. Sitting out in the Valley is hard on rubber. Heat and ozone. Well, it's hard on the people too. The muffler fell off my Stockton car last year. Don't want to repeat the experience. Now I'm going to wire up my solar cell - do it right, no clip leads, no wires trailing from under the door, no need to pop the hood when I go out there. - Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Maintenance midas tried to charge bruce about $65 for those donut things... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Jerry Kaidor wrote: # Well, the 300D has been sitting neglected in Fresno for a couple years so # today I # * Took it to the carwash and washed it, waxed it, and washed the engine # compartment. # * reglued the hood liner # * Changed the oil & filter # * troubleshot the inop coolant temp gauge - it was a bad sender. # * looked under the car for banging things - well, the exhaust system # COULD bang into sheet metal next door - not sure why it WOULD, though. # Just for yuks, I ordered four new rubber donuts. Buymbparts.com listed # three different types: a "soft" one for $1.25, and "hard" ones for $2.50 # or $5.00. I bought the $5.00 ones. Sitting out in the Valley is # hard on rubber. Heat and ozone. Well, it's hard on the people too. # The muffler fell off my Stockton car last year. Don't want to repeat # the experience. # # Now I'm going to wire up my solar cell - do it right, no clip leads, # no wires trailing from under the door, no need to pop the hood when I go # out there. # # - Jerry # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:29:44 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem J.B, Thanks for the tips. The prefilter looked clean, so we didn't replace it. I might do that for grins. The in tank screen was a thought, but I'd expect the fuel starvation problem to be longer lasting if that was so. Now, the idle control solenoid may be what I'm looking for. When I press the pedal to increase the rpm's, there is fuel starvation until I get it over around 1000 rpm. Then it clears up and I can back off the pedal after a anywhere from 5-20 seconds, depending apparently on the temperature. Where is this solenoid located and how is it tested? Thanks again for the help. Jon J.B. offered: > Your '95 also has an in-tank screen and a prefilter that is mounted > right next to the spin-on filter. When I did my suspention overhaul > last summer, I dropper the in tank screen and it was NASTY. All full > of gunk. After replacing it (usually you can rinse them, but this one > was too gross to clean) I noticed significant improvements in > drivability. I would at least change the prefilter, since it catches > most of the bigger chunks before they get to the spin-on. Lastly, the > 606 motor uses an electronic idle control solenoid that might not be > working correctly to keep the car running properly when cold. If you > manually give it some fuel, does it still feel like it's starving? If > it revs up fine with the pedal, I might suspect that solenoid. > > > Good luck. > > J.B. > > At 02:36 AM 2/14/2008, Jon Filina wrote: > >> Ok, now that Alec started a new thread, I felt it was about time I >> did the same. >> >> For the last couple of months, I have had a problem starting >> "Ernestine" after she's been sitting for two hours or more. The >> longer the car has been sitting, the more pronounced the problem is. >> >> The problem: The car starts right up. Within 10 seconds the engine >> starts to lose rpm like it is starving for fuel. If I am fast enough >> and get the rpm to around 1000, she stays running. If not, she dies. >> If I am able to keep the engine running, the apparent fuel starvation >> clears up within 15-30 seconds and runs fine after that. If it dies, >> it cranks like it does after swapping out the fuel filter. But, it >> does start. I do have to keep the rpm up for a few seconds, but >> everything is ok after that. >> >> The starting problem seems to be worse after sitting all night and in >> colder weather. >> >> So far, we've replaced the fuel filter (spin on) and all the fuel >> return lines. Those were rock hard and leaking like a sieve. >> >> Anyone have this problem before? I thought the fuel cap may be the >> culprit, but I doubt it. On the '94 & '95 diesels, are there >> additional sensors governing the fuel flow? I had a similar problem >> on my '81 Rabbit and it turned out to be the front seal on the >> injection pump. >> "Ernestine's" pump is dry.... >> Any thoughts from the collective? >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: >> 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 10:28 AM > > J.B. Hebert > > ---------------------------------------------- > Current Vehicles: > > '76 Ford Bronco > '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 > '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe > '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) > '93 GMC Sierra 2500 > '95 Mercedes E300D Sportline+ ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2659 **********************************