From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 15 08:31:34 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Friday, February 15 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2660 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem How about this beauty to fiddle with? (Was Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a li ttle story about a dying oil pressure sensor Re: How about this beauty to fiddle with? (Was Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a li ttle story about a dying oil pressure sensor Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:32:44 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem Mike, Thanks. Dropping the tank and replace the rubber parts is being left as a last resort. J.B.'s thoughts of the idle control solenoid my just be the problem. Thanks again, Jon Mike wrote: > You must have another fuel leak. Go through the system, starting with > the pickup and return hoses at the bottom of the tank, and replace all > the rubber. > > Mike Frank > > At 02:36 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: > >> "Ernestine's" pump is dry.... >> Any thoughts from the collective? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:39:20 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem amazingly, this might be part of the issues with my 6.2L too... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Jon Filina wrote: # Mike, # # Thanks. Dropping the tank and replace the rubber parts is being left as a # last resort. J.B.'s thoughts of the idle control solenoid my just be the # problem. # # Thanks again, # # Jon # # # Mike wrote: # > You must have another fuel leak. Go through the system, starting with the # > pickup and return hoses at the bottom of the tank, and replace all the # > rubber. # > # > Mike Frank # > # > At 02:36 AM 2/14/2008, you wrote: # > # > > "Ernestine's" pump is dry.... # > > Any thoughts from the collective? # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:45:01 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: [db] administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:55:53 -0600 From: Jon Filina Subject: Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem John, Which fix? Rubber parts or solenoid? This '95 is the first diesel I've owned that has additional "controls" on the fuel system. If I had a similar problem with my 240D or 300SD, it was usually the prefilter. I'd look at it, it was black, replace it and the problem disappeared! My E300D sat for six weeks while I was on the mend. This problem began when I put her back on the road. It's not a show stopper yet, though. I'm driving to Houston next week for three days of dangerous goods training. I don't expect to get stranded... Take care, Jon John wrote: > amazingly, this might be part of the issues with my 6.2L too... > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Jon Filina wrote: > > # Mike, > # > # Thanks. Dropping the tank and replace the rubber parts is being left as a > # last resort. J.B.'s thoughts of the idle control solenoid my just be the > # problem. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:07:08 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] 95 E300 Diesel fuel problem my 6.2L has a fast idle solenoid, and of course possible rubber part issues... the engine sat for 3 or 4 years, facing dirty injectors and a possible bad injection pump diaphram, it's not a good as the benz in line pump... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Jon Filina wrote: # John, # # Which fix? Rubber parts or solenoid? # # This '95 is the first diesel I've owned that has additional "controls" on the # fuel system. If I had a similar problem with my 240D or 300SD, it was # usually the prefilter. I'd look at it, it was black, replace it and the # problem disappeared! My E300D sat for six weeks while I was on the mend. # This problem began when I put her back on the road. # # It's not a show stopper yet, though. I'm driving to Houston next week for # three days of dangerous goods training. I don't expect to get stranded... # # Take care, # # Jon # # John wrote: # > amazingly, this might be part of the issues with my 6.2L too... # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, Jon Filina wrote: # > # > # Mike, # > # # > # Thanks. Dropping the tank and replace the rubber parts is being left as # > # a # > # last resort. J.B.'s thoughts of the idle control solenoid my just be the # > # problem. # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:15:19 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: How about this beauty to fiddle with? (Was Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a li ttle story about a dying oil pressure sensor ebay id 320217659785 If I only had more mula myself. This is SOO beautiful! It'd be worth tinkering with some to keep going. J - -- "Alec Cordova" wrote: [Issue is resolved. Just trying to get a fresh thread going on the lists.] My 89 300CE just about scared the stuffing out of me yesterday. Like most of us apparently, I've got a big bunch of stuff going on in my life these days, and I think the description I prefer is, "My money's not as liquid as I would like right now." That's part of why I passed on that recent 1980 W116 300SD in amazing shape recently. (Would have made a TREMENDOUS daily driver that would help identify the fellow car nuts at work.) So I'm driving home from the office yesterday. It's about 30 miles, but driving from the tech area of Austin, Texas (183 and Braker) northeast to Taylor rarely takes more than 45 minutes even during rush hour. And while I'm not fond of how the new toll roads were rushed through the paperwork into construction, they sure are nice. 70MPH speed limit, no stops, and the toll tag sticker on the windshield, so you can cruise right on through the collection points. They save me 10 minutes consistently. Anyway, I'm driving home on non-toll roads, with more stop-and-go than the pricey route, and I notice the oil pressure gauge only pegs when I hit nearly 2500RPM, and at idle at the next intersection, IT DROPS TO ZERO! Pull into a side neighborhood and shut her down. Take a deep breath. Nothing dripping on the ground, and no particularly strong oil smell from the engine. (There's always a weak one. The old girl does leak a good bit.) Level looks a little low on the dipstick, so I poured a whole quart in. (We old Benzers always have a couple quarts in the trunk.) Start her up, and I can keep oil pressure above 1.5 bar if I stay above 1500RPM, and it still looks pegged by 2500. Made some phone calls, and nursed her home, shifting into neutral while still approaching intersections so I could keep the revs up. This is just not as much fun with an automatic. Arranged for a tow for this morning to take me and the car to the shop, then me via a courtesy driver to the office. They take it off the flatbed after we reach the shop, they start my car, and pressure looks reasonable. Grr. Mechanic suggests the oil pressure sender, especially since the engine sounded and felt absolutely normal the whole time it was reading funky oil pressure. He drives a 91 300E that he confessed to finding for $2,000, so there's a chance he knows what he's talking about. One hour of labor, $82 retail price for the part (just checked on Rusty's site; he sells it for 68), and she's fine and dandy to come home. Yeah, Baby. We escaped a potential showstopper, as we say in QA. And I may have found a new mechanic to stick with, which is handy since Ben Schotz sold his interest in Ben's Workshop. German Auto Center in Austin, on the 183 access road a couple blocks north of Lamar, right next to Discount Tire. (And Leonard's Muffler Shop, which did good by me with a recent exhaust leak.) [I suppose this should be considered an official recommendation to the lists.] So that was my fun for the week, thank you very much. Driving home with low oil pressure readings for unknown reasons is definitely exciting, but I'm really not sure I'd care to do it again. Ever. Happy Benzing all, Alec Cordova Taylor, Texas 89 300CE, 233K ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:30:53 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: How about this beauty to fiddle with? (Was Re: [db] Lemme tell ya a li ttle story about a dying oil pressure sensor nice looking... but we all need to consider other options to ebay with their new fee structure, it's not affordable... $110 to sell a vehicle is insane. free here: http://www.mygofast.com/homepage.php and of course on craigslist... or $50 for an unlimited ad in most local papers or auto trader... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 15 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # ebay id 320217659785 # # If I only had more mula myself. This is SOO beautiful! It'd be worth tinkering # with some to keep going. # # J # # -- "Alec Cordova" wrote: # [Issue is resolved. Just trying to get a fresh thread going on the lists.] # # # My 89 300CE just about scared the stuffing out of me yesterday. # # Like most of us apparently, I've got a big bunch of stuff going on in my # life these days, and I think the description I prefer is, "My money's not as # liquid as I would like right now." That's part of why I passed on that # recent 1980 W116 300SD in amazing shape recently. (Would have made a # TREMENDOUS daily driver that would help identify the fellow car nuts at # work.) # # So I'm driving home from the office yesterday. It's about 30 miles, but # driving from the tech area of Austin, Texas (183 and Braker) northeast to # Taylor rarely takes more than 45 minutes even during rush hour. And while # I'm not fond of how the new toll roads were rushed through the paperwork # into construction, they sure are nice. 70MPH speed limit, no stops, and the # toll tag sticker on the windshield, so you can cruise right on through the # collection points. They save me 10 minutes consistently. # # Anyway, I'm driving home on non-toll roads, with more stop-and-go than the # pricey route, and I notice the oil pressure gauge only pegs when I hit # nearly 2500RPM, and at idle at the next intersection, IT DROPS TO ZERO! Pull # into a side neighborhood and shut her down. Take a deep breath. # # Nothing dripping on the ground, and no particularly strong oil smell from # the engine. (There's always a weak one. The old girl does leak a good bit.) # Level looks a little low on the dipstick, so I poured a whole quart in. (We # old Benzers always have a couple quarts in the trunk.) Start her up, and I # can keep oil pressure above 1.5 bar if I stay above 1500RPM, and it still # looks pegged by 2500. Made some phone calls, and nursed her home, shifting # into neutral while still approaching intersections so I could keep the revs # up. This is just not as much fun with an automatic. # # Arranged for a tow for this morning to take me and the car to the shop, then # me via a courtesy driver to the office. They take it off the flatbed after # we reach the shop, they start my car, and pressure looks reasonable. Grr. # Mechanic suggests the oil pressure sender, especially since the engine # sounded and felt absolutely normal the whole time it was reading funky oil # pressure. He drives a 91 300E that he confessed to finding for $2,000, so # there's a chance he knows what he's talking about. One hour of labor, $82 # retail price for the part (just checked on Rusty's site; he sells it for # 68), and she's fine and dandy to come home. Yeah, Baby. We escaped a # potential showstopper, as we say in QA. And I may have found a new mechanic # to stick with, which is handy since Ben Schotz sold his interest in Ben's # Workshop. # # German Auto Center in Austin, on the 183 access road a couple blocks north # of Lamar, right next to Discount Tire. (And Leonard's Muffler Shop, which # did good by me with a recent exhaust leak.) [I suppose this should be # considered an official recommendation to the lists.] # # So that was my fun for the week, thank you very much. Driving home with low # oil pressure readings for unknown reasons is definitely exciting, but I'm # really not sure I'd care to do it again. Ever. # # Happy Benzing all, # Alec Cordova # Taylor, Texas # 89 300CE, 233K # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2660 **********************************