From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 19 16:38:10 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, February 20 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2665 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] RE: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. (fwd) Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? Re: [db] RE: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the botto m. (fwd) Re: [db] On a lighter note........ Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: [db] RE: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. (fwd) looks like one of my friends emailed a bunch of reps and all but one said they were against it... PTL, it's dead... they all agreed it's a bad idea to penalize folks after the fact... dang, if I knew this was coming I would have put a 2.5L Mercedes Turbo Diesel into an XJ Cherokee... ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mike senko Thank you for your support Steve. Kind Regards, Mike Senko "Hobbs, Sen. Steve" wrote: Michael - I can confirm that 6900 is dead. See my stock response below, and follow the link for bill information. This bill hasn't been active for weeks, had little support and wasn't ever a priority as far as I know. - - Steve Hobbs Thank you for taking the time to email me in regard to SB 6900, a bill that aimed to establish vehicle engine displacement and emissions fees. To be direct, I do not support this legislation. Further, this bill received very little support and died without a vote. SB 6900 is an attempt to encourage the drivers of Washington to be more conscious of their vehicle choice, not the vehicle^Rs price. Starting January 1, 2009 there would be a potential fee based on engine size. Starting January 1, 2012 the potential fee would change from being based on engine size to being based on emissions. I believe any potential tax should be fair in nature and not more punitive to some than to others. Just because I own a car or truck with a large engine does not mean that I am wasteful or not energy-conscious. For example, I own a 15-year-old truck that I rarely drive, but use on occasion for moving and other errands. Due to the size of the truck's engine, I would pay a large tax, despite the fact that I drive an energy efficient vehicle to and from work. The bill would also unfairly impact off-road enthusiasts and lower income families who have little choice in vehicle purchasing. This bill did not come before any of my committees, did not receive a public hearing, and is considered ^Sdead^T. Though protecting the environment is a concern, this bill provided more questions than answers, and I did not support it. Sincerely, Senator Steve Hobbs Washington State Senate 44th Legislative District - -----Original Message----- From: mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com [mailto:mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:50 PM To: Hobbs, Sen. Steve Cc: Dunshee, Rep. Hans; Loomis, Rep. Liz Subject: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. HOUSE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE SENATE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE TO: Senator Steve Hobbs CC: Representative Hans Dunshee Representative Liz Loomis FROM: Mr. Michael Senko STREET ADDRESS: 1501 151st Pl SE Mill Creek, WA 98012 E-MAIL: mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com PHONE: (425) 338 - 4959 BILL: 6900 (Against) SUBJECT: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. MESSAGE: Vehicle License Fee Bill SB6900 Hello, There is a bill that the Washington State Legislature is trying to pass in Olympia that, if successful, will directly add huge costs to our vehicle license fees. Everyone needs to know about so this situation so that you can contact your representatives and voice your objection. The bill is SB 6900 and it adds an "engine displacement" fee to the vehicle license tabs upon renewal. The fee has a varied amount depending on the size of the vehicle's engine: Engine Size (liters) Rate Schedule Up to 1.9 $0 2.0 - 2.9 $70 3.0 - 3.9 $225 4.0 - 4.9 $275 5.0 - 5.9 $325 6.0 - 7.9 $400 8.0 or over $600 For each car & truck that you own, calculate the rate by matching the engine size in liters to the dollar amount. Add the amounts for each vehicle and you'll see that the average two car family will be paying $500+ every year in "displacement fees" on top of the normal license fees. If you have three vehicles, you'll be paying even more. The average family is already struggling with the high cost of gasoline, electricity, food and everything else, and our lawmakers want us to pay more, thinking we have unlimited deep pockets. This will do great damage to the budgets of retirees on fixed incomes as well. Now is the time to be very vocal against this bill. I have contacted all of our representatives, and I would encourage everyone reading this to do the same. Here's the web page for the bill where you can read the text: If we don't threaten mass rebellion over this, they'll pass this bill and we'll be paying huge fees every year on top of their increase in the gas tax. They have to know that we won't stand for any more taxes or increase in licensing fees. I've told my representatives that I will actively work to see that any lawmaker that supports this bill is replaced at election time. Please contact your legislators, then copy the text of this e mail, and forward it to as many people as possible that you know in Washington State, and encourage them to contact their representatives and strongly voice their objection to this bill. NOTE: We are 99% sure that this constituent is in your district RESPONSE REQUESTED: No response required by the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:21:29 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? Well, if you're independently wealthy or enjoy living off the land, Montana, the Dakotas, and some of the other more "remote" states are pretty good; Oklahoma looks like a gem of good government, but there's not much work and NOTHING to see. Compromise states might be mid-southern states such as South Carolina, (NOT North Carolina) Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Virginia WAS a pretty good state for freedom, but now we're in a real fight to keep Virginia free because of all the people from DC, New Jersey, New York, etc. that are moving in and bringing their anti-freedom ideas with them. Ultimately, it's the radical idiots that want to control everyone else's lives. Sane people who believe in freedom are content to let tyranny-minded people punish themselves, but those who like to be tyrannized want to push it on everyone else. "For the greAAter gUUod." Screw "the greAAter gUUod." Leave us alone so we can determine our OWN greatest good. THAT'S what this country was founded on. "Liberty or Death" for me! J - -- john wrote: help me out... WHAT state do you recommend? not sure how much better the others are... ;) rofl... one good thing about this state is they tend to grandfather rights... so I won't lose anything, unless I change something or decide to get something new... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Sounds like you need to move to a sane state so you stop voting for idiots by # your presence in the population. Removing the entire population of sane people # from Washington would turn that blue state into......a blue state with a lot # less weight in the nation (delegates, etc.) And then you wouldn't have to # suffer the insidious, idiotic laws that they masochistically sit through "for # the good of the planet." # # Can you tell these people make me both very angry and utterly sick? It would # be great if all the sensible people left so the idiots had less productive # people to punish and less weight in the nation. And with less productive # people, their economy would tank. Then, MAYBE, they'd see that what they're # doing is stupid. # # ............but, probably not. They'd probably assume that they were # under-regulated and punish themselves more. Oh well. As long as sensible # people don't suffer with them, I don't care a bit. # # J # # -- john wrote: # but that's not the way the democrats in washington state do things... # they slam something through, we complain, it gets removed, then they # sneak it back in under some other name... # # my property taxes have gone up about 333% in the last 14 years... # retirement in my own home seems unlikely or bleak... oh yeah, and # it's such a large extravagent house... at 1300 sq feet... :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # # # On Tuesday 19 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # # from "Alec Cordova" who wrote: # # # # > I could only see something like this working if they phase it in # # > gradually, starting with new vehicles. # # # # Or if they charge very low tax the first year, going up gradually the # # folmlowing years. # # # # Cheers, # # # # Ron. # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:27:48 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] RE: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the botto m. (fwd) Whew! Glad to see SOMEBODY in power over there still has a little sense! The only thing that bugs me is his statement that "protecting the environment is a concern....." which is HOGWASH! The earth is alive, and living things heal and self-regulate. They also purge themselves. Furthermore, the earth does more "damage" to its own "enVIronment" with volcanic activity and such than man ever did or ever could do. I think a small volcanic eruption spews out more crap than industrialized nations do in a decade. Hurry! Somebody propose legislation for "volcanic emissions controls!" No, wait, the dingbats in power would probably be all for spending my money on it.................. J - -- john wrote: looks like one of my friends emailed a bunch of reps and all but one said they were against it... PTL, it's dead... they all agreed it's a bad idea to penalize folks after the fact... dang, if I knew this was coming I would have put a 2.5L Mercedes Turbo Diesel into an XJ Cherokee... ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: mike senko Thank you for your support Steve. Kind Regards, Mike Senko "Hobbs, Sen. Steve" wrote: Michael - I can confirm that 6900 is dead. See my stock response below, and follow the link for bill information. This bill hasn't been active for weeks, had little support and wasn't ever a priority as far as I know. - - Steve Hobbs Thank you for taking the time to email me in regard to SB 6900, a bill that aimed to establish vehicle engine displacement and emissions fees. To be direct, I do not support this legislation. Further, this bill received very little support and died without a vote. SB 6900 is an attempt to encourage the drivers of Washington to be more conscious of their vehicle choice, not the vehicle^Rs price. Starting January 1, 2009 there would be a potential fee based on engine size. Starting January 1, 2012 the potential fee would change from being based on engine size to being based on emissions. I believe any potential tax should be fair in nature and not more punitive to some than to others. Just because I own a car or truck with a large engine does not mean that I am wasteful or not energy-conscious. For example, I own a 15-year-old truck that I rarely drive, but use on occasion for moving and other errands. Due to the size of the truck's engine, I would pay a large tax, despite the fact that I drive an energy efficient vehicle to and from work. The bill would also unfairly impact off-road enthusiasts and lower income families who have little choice in vehicle purchasing. This bill did not come before any of my committees, did not receive a public hearing, and is considered ^Sdead^T. Though protecting the environment is a concern, this bill provided more questions than answers, and I did not support it. Sincerely, Senator Steve Hobbs Washington State Senate 44th Legislative District - -----Original Message----- From: mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com [mailto:mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 2:50 PM To: Hobbs, Sen. Steve Cc: Dunshee, Rep. Hans; Loomis, Rep. Liz Subject: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. HOUSE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE SENATE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE TO: Senator Steve Hobbs CC: Representative Hans Dunshee Representative Liz Loomis FROM: Mr. Michael Senko STREET ADDRESS: 1501 151st Pl SE Mill Creek, WA 98012 E-MAIL: mercedesman1981-at-yahoo.com PHONE: (425) 338 - 4959 BILL: 6900 (Against) SUBJECT: I am strongly against this bill, please read to the bottom. MESSAGE: Vehicle License Fee Bill SB6900 Hello, There is a bill that the Washington State Legislature is trying to pass in Olympia that, if successful, will directly add huge costs to our vehicle license fees. Everyone needs to know about so this situation so that you can contact your representatives and voice your objection. The bill is SB 6900 and it adds an "engine displacement" fee to the vehicle license tabs upon renewal. The fee has a varied amount depending on the size of the vehicle's engine: Engine Size (liters) Rate Schedule Up to 1.9 $0 2.0 - 2.9 $70 3.0 - 3.9 $225 4.0 - 4.9 $275 5.0 - 5.9 $325 6.0 - 7.9 $400 8.0 or over $600 For each car & truck that you own, calculate the rate by matching the engine size in liters to the dollar amount. Add the amounts for each vehicle and you'll see that the average two car family will be paying $500+ every year in "displacement fees" on top of the normal license fees. If you have three vehicles, you'll be paying even more. The average family is already struggling with the high cost of gasoline, electricity, food and everything else, and our lawmakers want us to pay more, thinking we have unlimited deep pockets. This will do great damage to the budgets of retirees on fixed incomes as well. Now is the time to be very vocal against this bill. I have contacted all of our representatives, and I would encourage everyone reading this to do the same. Here's the web page for the bill where you can read the text: If we don't threaten mass rebellion over this, they'll pass this bill and we'll be paying huge fees every year on top of their increase in the gas tax. They have to know that we won't stand for any more taxes or increase in licensing fees. I've told my representatives that I will actively work to see that any lawmaker that supports this bill is replaced at election time. Please contact your legislators, then copy the text of this e mail, and forward it to as many people as possible that you know in Washington State, and encourage them to contact their representatives and strongly voice their objection to this bill. NOTE: We are 99% sure that this constituent is in your district RESPONSE REQUESTED: No response required by the sender. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:29:12 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] On a lighter note........ Did anybody see this the first time? - -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: ebay id 160209517395 Sounds like the engine is going bad. The body is definitely worth putting an engine into, so that raises a few questions. 1. How many more miles can I probably baby out of that engine before it will not run reasonably (to give me time to save the nearly $9 that a proper replacement motor will cost) 2. Anything else you'd worry about (besides my sanity, based on previous posts?) J ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:38:01 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? may you and others like you learn how to communicate to those that are in power... I'm going to go home and play with my Diesels now. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Well, if you're independently wealthy or enjoy living off the land, Montana, # the Dakotas, and some of the other more "remote" states are pretty good; # Oklahoma looks like a gem of good government, but there's not much work and # NOTHING to see. # # Compromise states might be mid-southern states such as South Carolina, (NOT # North Carolina) Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Virginia WAS a pretty good state # for freedom, but now we're in a real fight to keep Virginia free because of # all the people from DC, New Jersey, New York, etc. that are moving in and # bringing their anti-freedom ideas with them. # # Ultimately, it's the radical idiots that want to control everyone else's # lives. Sane people who believe in freedom are content to let tyranny-minded # people punish themselves, but those who like to be tyrannized want to push it # on everyone else. "For the greAAter gUUod." # # Screw "the greAAter gUUod." Leave us alone so we can determine our OWN # greatest good. THAT'S what this country was founded on. # # "Liberty or Death" for me! # # J # # -- john wrote: # help me out... WHAT state do you recommend? not sure how much # better the others are... ;) # # rofl... # # one good thing about this state is they tend to grandfather rights... so # I won't lose anything, unless I change something or decide to get something # new... # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # Sounds like you need to move to a sane state so you stop voting for idiots # by # # your presence in the population. Removing the entire population of sane # people # # from Washington would turn that blue state into......a blue state with a # lot # # less weight in the nation (delegates, etc.) And then you wouldn't have to # # suffer the insidious, idiotic laws that they masochistically sit through # "for # # the good of the planet." # # # # Can you tell these people make me both very angry and utterly sick? It # would # # be great if all the sensible people left so the idiots had less productive # # people to punish and less weight in the nation. And with less productive # # people, their economy would tank. Then, MAYBE, they'd see that what # they're # # doing is stupid. # # # # ............but, probably not. They'd probably assume that they were # # under-regulated and punish themselves more. Oh well. As long as sensible # # people don't suffer with them, I don't care a bit. # # # # J # # # # -- john wrote: # # but that's not the way the democrats in washington state do things... # # they slam something through, we complain, it gets removed, then they # # sneak it back in under some other name... # # # # my property taxes have gone up about 333% in the last 14 years... # # retirement in my own home seems unlikely or bleak... oh yeah, and # # it's such a large extravagent house... at 1300 sq feet... :) # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # # # # # On Tuesday 19 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # # # from "Alec Cordova" who wrote: # # # # # # > I could only see something like this working if they phase it in # # # > gradually, starting with new vehicles. # # # # # # Or if they charge very low tax the first year, going up gradually the # # # folmlowing years. # # # # # # Cheers, # # # # # # Ron. # # # # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2665 **********************************