From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 19 17:00:07 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, February 20 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2666 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [db] On a lighter note........ Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? Re: [db] On a lighter note........ [db] The Butcher's Bill Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] On a lighter note........ wow. buy it and put an older 3.0L in it... those seats look nice, good thing I know how they REALLY feel. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Did anybody see this the first time? # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # ebay id 160209517395 # # Sounds like the engine is going bad. The body is definitely worth putting an # engine into, so that raises a few questions. # # 1. How many more miles can I probably baby out of that engine before it will # not run reasonably (to give me time to save the nearly $9 that a proper # replacement motor will cost) # # 2. Anything else you'd worry about (besides my sanity, based on previous # posts?) # # J # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:48:18 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? I think that was a complement.......? J - -- john wrote: may you and others like you learn how to communicate to those that are in power... I'm going to go home and play with my Diesels now. :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Well, if you're independently wealthy or enjoy living off the land, Montana, # the Dakotas, and some of the other more "remote" states are pretty good; # Oklahoma looks like a gem of good government, but there's not much work and # NOTHING to see. # # Compromise states might be mid-southern states such as South Carolina, (NOT # North Carolina) Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Virginia WAS a pretty good state # for freedom, but now we're in a real fight to keep Virginia free because of # all the people from DC, New Jersey, New York, etc. that are moving in and # bringing their anti-freedom ideas with them. # # Ultimately, it's the radical idiots that want to control everyone else's # lives. Sane people who believe in freedom are content to let tyranny-minded # people punish themselves, but those who like to be tyrannized want to push it # on everyone else. "For the greAAter gUUod." # # Screw "the greAAter gUUod." Leave us alone so we can determine our OWN # greatest good. THAT'S what this country was founded on. # # "Liberty or Death" for me! # # J # # -- john wrote: # help me out... WHAT state do you recommend? not sure how much # better the others are... ;) # # rofl... # # one good thing about this state is they tend to grandfather rights... so # I won't lose anything, unless I change something or decide to get something # new... # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # Sounds like you need to move to a sane state so you stop voting for idiots # by # # your presence in the population. Removing the entire population of sane # people # # from Washington would turn that blue state into......a blue state with a # lot # # less weight in the nation (delegates, etc.) And then you wouldn't have to # # suffer the insidious, idiotic laws that they masochistically sit through # "for # # the good of the planet." # # # # Can you tell these people make me both very angry and utterly sick? It # would # # be great if all the sensible people left so the idiots had less productive # # people to punish and less weight in the nation. And with less productive # # people, their economy would tank. Then, MAYBE, they'd see that what # they're # # doing is stupid. # # # # ............but, probably not. They'd probably assume that they were # # under-regulated and punish themselves more. Oh well. As long as sensible # # people don't suffer with them, I don't care a bit. # # # # J # # # # -- john wrote: # # but that's not the way the democrats in washington state do things... # # they slam something through, we complain, it gets removed, then they # # sneak it back in under some other name... # # # # my property taxes have gone up about 333% in the last 14 years... # # retirement in my own home seems unlikely or bleak... oh yeah, and # # it's such a large extravagent house... at 1300 sq feet... :) # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # # # # # On Tuesday 19 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # # # from "Alec Cordova" who wrote: # # # # # # > I could only see something like this working if they phase it in # # # > gradually, starting with new vehicles. # # # # # # Or if they charge very low tax the first year, going up gradually the # # # folmlowing years. # # # # # # Cheers, # # # # # # Ron. # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:54:40 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? yes... hoping that you and others who are vocal, articulate and informed are able to communicate effectively with those making the decisions... in other words, turn down the rant a bit and address the issues factually and objectively, the rest of us sheep are counting on you guys. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # I think that was a complement.......? # # J # # -- john wrote: # may you and others like you learn how to communicate to those that # are in power... # # I'm going to go home and play with my Diesels now. :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # Well, if you're independently wealthy or enjoy living off the land, # Montana, # # the Dakotas, and some of the other more "remote" states are pretty good; # # Oklahoma looks like a gem of good government, but there's not much work # and # # NOTHING to see. # # # # Compromise states might be mid-southern states such as South Carolina, # (NOT # # North Carolina) Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Virginia WAS a pretty good # state # # for freedom, but now we're in a real fight to keep Virginia free because # of # # all the people from DC, New Jersey, New York, etc. that are moving in and # # bringing their anti-freedom ideas with them. # # # # Ultimately, it's the radical idiots that want to control everyone else's # # lives. Sane people who believe in freedom are content to let # tyranny-minded # # people punish themselves, but those who like to be tyrannized want to push # it # # on everyone else. "For the greAAter gUUod." # # # # Screw "the greAAter gUUod." Leave us alone so we can determine our OWN # # greatest good. THAT'S what this country was founded on. # # # # "Liberty or Death" for me! # # # # J # # # # -- john wrote: # # help me out... WHAT state do you recommend? not sure how much # # better the others are... ;) # # # # rofl... # # # # one good thing about this state is they tend to grandfather rights... so # # I won't lose anything, unless I change something or decide to get # something # # new... # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # # # Sounds like you need to move to a sane state so you stop voting for # idiots # # by # # # your presence in the population. Removing the entire population of sane # # people # # # from Washington would turn that blue state into......a blue state with # a # # lot # # # less weight in the nation (delegates, etc.) And then you wouldn't have # to # # # suffer the insidious, idiotic laws that they masochistically sit # through # # "for # # # the good of the planet." # # # # # # Can you tell these people make me both very angry and utterly sick? It # # would # # # be great if all the sensible people left so the idiots had less # productive # # # people to punish and less weight in the nation. And with less # productive # # # people, their economy would tank. Then, MAYBE, they'd see that what # # they're # # # doing is stupid. # # # # # # ............but, probably not. They'd probably assume that they were # # # under-regulated and punish themselves more. Oh well. As long as # sensible # # # people don't suffer with them, I don't care a bit. # # # # # # J # # # # # # -- john wrote: # # # but that's not the way the democrats in washington state do things... # # # they slam something through, we complain, it gets removed, then they # # # sneak it back in under some other name... # # # # # # my property taxes have gone up about 333% in the last 14 years... # # # retirement in my own home seems unlikely or bleak... oh yeah, and # # # it's such a large extravagent house... at 1300 sq feet... :) # # # # # # ----- # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # # # # # # # On Tuesday 19 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # # # # from "Alec Cordova" who wrote: # # # # # # # # > I could only see something like this working if they phase it in # # # # > gradually, starting with new vehicles. # # # # # # # # Or if they charge very low tax the first year, going up gradually # the # # # # folmlowing years. # # # # # # # # Cheers, # # # # # # # # Ron. # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:52:57 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] On a lighter note........ Really? I thought the 3.5 with the updated rods was better than the 3.0 (better head, and rod problem solved) Not so? Even if it is so, I guess that would be a good temporary solution if the motor died before I had the $9k together for the better-than-new 3.5l engine........saw one for less than a grand the other day....... J - -- john wrote: wow. buy it and put an older 3.0L in it... those seats look nice, good thing I know how they REALLY feel. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # Did anybody see this the first time? # # -- "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" wrote: # ebay id 160209517395 # # Sounds like the engine is going bad. The body is definitely worth putting an # engine into, so that raises a few questions. # # 1. How many more miles can I probably baby out of that engine before it will # not run reasonably (to give me time to save the nearly $9 that a proper # replacement motor will cost) # # 2. Anything else you'd worry about (besides my sanity, based on previous # posts?) # # J # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:47:09 -0500 From: Mike Frank Subject: [db] The Butcher's Bill My '99 wagon had a check engine light. Since there are no mechanics that are willing to work on W210's, I had to take it to the Mercedes dealer. Told them, fix it up, whatever it takes. Here's the list they came back with: 1) Two oxygen sensors. Since they were rusted into the cat, a new cat as well. 2) Ball joints 3) A/C leak, installed dye to trace 4) Leaky diff seals on pinion and stub axles. 5) Leaking fuel line $3500, and a week to get parts from der fatherland. Mike Frank Looking for a decent '87 Diesel wagon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 00:55:41 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: [db] more tab increases in WA state??? Sheep! Hah! No way, John. Sheep go on bleating cluelessly to their demise, and you're well aware of what's going on. You're no sheep, even if you don't routinely exposit the problems with the world. (Although, I have seen a few VERY good exposees you've done on various subjects over the years......I'd call them rants, but you're so nice about it.) J - -- john wrote: yes... hoping that you and others who are vocal, articulate and informed are able to communicate effectively with those making the decisions... in other words, turn down the rant a bit and address the issues factually and objectively, the rest of us sheep are counting on you guys. ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # I think that was a complement.......? # # J # # -- john wrote: # may you and others like you learn how to communicate to those that # are in power... # # I'm going to go home and play with my Diesels now. :) # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # Well, if you're independently wealthy or enjoy living off the land, # Montana, # # the Dakotas, and some of the other more "remote" states are pretty good; # # Oklahoma looks like a gem of good government, but there's not much work # and # # NOTHING to see. # # # # Compromise states might be mid-southern states such as South Carolina, # (NOT # # North Carolina) Alabama, Mississippi, etc. Virginia WAS a pretty good # state # # for freedom, but now we're in a real fight to keep Virginia free because # of # # all the people from DC, New Jersey, New York, etc. that are moving in and # # bringing their anti-freedom ideas with them. # # # # Ultimately, it's the radical idiots that want to control everyone else's # # lives. Sane people who believe in freedom are content to let # tyranny-minded # # people punish themselves, but those who like to be tyrannized want to push # it # # on everyone else. "For the greAAter gUUod." # # # # Screw "the greAAter gUUod." Leave us alone so we can determine our OWN # # greatest good. THAT'S what this country was founded on. # # # # "Liberty or Death" for me! # # # # J # # # # -- john wrote: # # help me out... WHAT state do you recommend? not sure how much # # better the others are... ;) # # # # rofl... # # # # one good thing about this state is they tend to grandfather rights... so # # I won't lose anything, unless I change something or decide to get # something # # new... # # # # ----- # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, jasonbassett-at-juno.com wrote: # # # # # Sounds like you need to move to a sane state so you stop voting for # idiots # # by # # # your presence in the population. Removing the entire population of sane # # people # # # from Washington would turn that blue state into......a blue state with # a # # lot # # # less weight in the nation (delegates, etc.) And then you wouldn't have # to # # # suffer the insidious, idiotic laws that they masochistically sit # through # # "for # # # the good of the planet." # # # # # # Can you tell these people make me both very angry and utterly sick? It # # would # # # be great if all the sensible people left so the idiots had less # productive # # # people to punish and less weight in the nation. And with less # productive # # # people, their economy would tank. Then, MAYBE, they'd see that what # # they're # # # doing is stupid. # # # # # # ............but, probably not. They'd probably assume that they were # # # under-regulated and punish themselves more. Oh well. As long as # sensible # # # people don't suffer with them, I don't care a bit. # # # # # # J # # # # # # -- john wrote: # # # but that's not the way the democrats in washington state do things... # # # they slam something through, we complain, it gets removed, then they # # # sneak it back in under some other name... # # # # # # my property taxes have gone up about 333% in the last 14 years... # # # retirement in my own home seems unlikely or bleak... oh yeah, and # # # it's such a large extravagent house... at 1300 sq feet... :) # # # # # # ----- # # # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # # # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # # # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # # # # # # # # # On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: # # # # # # # On Tuesday 19 February 2008, my mailbox was graced by a missive # # # # from "Alec Cordova" who wrote: # # # # # # # # > I could only see something like this working if they phase it in # # # # > gradually, starting with new vehicles. # # # # # # # # Or if they charge very low tax the first year, going up gradually # the # # # # folmlowing years. # # # # # # # # Cheers, # # # # # # # # Ron. # # # # # # # # # # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2666 **********************************