From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 18 09:48:21 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, March 18 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2689 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] mark your calendar... Re: [db] Omega update Re: [db] Omega update Re: [db] Diesel prices worldwide? Re: [db] mark your calendar... Re: [db] mark your calendar... Re: [db] mark your calendar... [db] Re: xj: Re: Diesel prices worldwide?a [db] international holiday? Re: [db] Re: xj: Re: Diesel prices worldwide?a Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] mark your calendar... On March 18, 1858, German mechanical engineer Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the Diesel engine, was born in Paris. :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:22:20 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] Omega update on the Detroit Diesel Allison 6.2L engine it looks like a regular old mechanical fuel pump... not sure on the Cummins... would suspect it would be similar. I had some literature on a 3.9 years ago and remember seeing something like that on the engine. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # It appears I have the same problem on my '99 Cummins. # Started running rough under load so I suspected the # fuel filter. Old fuel filter was nasty. But after # I've put the new one in I've found no joy in starting. # Seems that when the lift (transfer) pump ceased to # function the IP had enough draw to suck the fuel from # the tank until I messed with it ;) Good thing I # messed with it though... I've read that if you drive # for an extended period of time with no lift pump you # can damage the IP. I wonder how much a transfer pump # (as Dodge calls it) costs... :( # # Jim # # --- john wrote: # # > my son helped me bleed the injectors tonight... # > # > still didn't start. # > # > so, decided to take a section of clear line and put # > it on the inlet # > to the pump on the passenger side... on the output # > of the primary # > filter... (the line goes into the secondary filter) # > Then I cranked # > a bit... whazz this? no fuel? empty... hey, it # > won't work that way... :) # > # > So I put the electric pump between the clear line # > and the output # > of the primary filter, jumpered it and filled the # > line... cranked # > and started to bleed the injectors again, but really # > need a 2nd # > person... # > # > tomorrow... # > # > I'm thinking that the lift pump has departed this # > life... the # > electric pump I have is a leftover from the Chevy # > Luv Buick 3.8L project # > and not worthy of a fine Diesel project... :) It # > sounds pretty pathetic # > pushing the good stuff anyway. :) # > # > the failure of the lift pump would explain the # > problem we had the last # > time we ran it too... :) # > # > I like it when there are logical explanations... I # > picked up a used # > injection pump off of craigslist just in case... # > have 7 spare injectors # > that sort of work, a dead vacuum pump as a spare and # > now an unknown injection # > pump... building up my spares collection... or # > adding ballast. :) # > # > john # > # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] Omega update Nope, it's mounted on the frame just below the fuel filter canister. Appears to be electric. Supposed to run for 30 seconds if you bump the starter. Mine makes no sounds and I'm getting no fuel so I'm going to check electrical connections tonight. But I'm afraid that it's fried. Jim - --- john wrote: > on the Detroit Diesel Allison 6.2L engine it looks > like a regular old mechanical > fuel pump... not sure on the Cummins... would > suspect > it would be similar. I had some literature on a 3.9 > years ago and remember seeing something like that on > the engine. > > john > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't > rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: > > # It appears I have the same problem on my '99 > Cummins. > # Started running rough under load so I suspected > the > # fuel filter. Old fuel filter was nasty. But > after > # I've put the new one in I've found no joy in > starting. > # Seems that when the lift (transfer) pump ceased > to > # function the IP had enough draw to suck the fuel > from > # the tank until I messed with it ;) Good thing I > # messed with it though... I've read that if you > drive > # for an extended period of time with no lift pump > you > # can damage the IP. I wonder how much a transfer > pump > # (as Dodge calls it) costs... :( > # > # Jim > # > # --- john wrote: > # > # > my son helped me bleed the injectors tonight... > > # > > # > still didn't start. > # > > # > so, decided to take a section of clear line and > put > # > it on the inlet > # > to the pump on the passenger side... on the > output > # > of the primary > # > filter... (the line goes into the secondary > filter) > # > Then I cranked > # > a bit... whazz this? no fuel? empty... hey, > it > # > won't work that way... :) > # > > # > So I put the electric pump between the clear > line > # > and the output > # > of the primary filter, jumpered it and filled > the > # > line... cranked > # > and started to bleed the injectors again, but > really > # > need a 2nd > # > person... > # > > # > tomorrow... > # > > # > I'm thinking that the lift pump has departed > this > # > life... the > # > electric pump I have is a leftover from the > Chevy > # > Luv Buick 3.8L project > # > and not worthy of a fine Diesel project... :) > It > # > sounds pretty pathetic > # > pushing the good stuff anyway. :) > # > > # > the failure of the lift pump would explain the > # > problem we had the last > # > time we ran it too... :) > # > > # > I like it when there are logical > explanations... I > # > picked up a used > # > injection pump off of craigslist just in > case... > # > have 7 spare injectors > # > that sort of work, a dead vacuum pump as a > spare and > # > now an unknown injection > # > pump... building up my spares collection... or > # > adding ballast. :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps > don't > # > rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** > # > http://wagoneers.com ** > # > > # > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:31:37 +0000 From: "Stephen Rigley" Subject: Re: [db] Diesel prices worldwide? Well.. that is kinda debatable.. 493 is the accepted date but there are some that argue otherwise. Steve On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:39 PM, john wrote: > sounds like ya got a wee bit of the irish in ya... ;) > > so, was his death in 461 or 493??? > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > > # I'll have a look tomorrow, I mightn't be the mosht ackurate -at- 10:30pm > on > # Scht.Patrick'sh day ;-) > # Schumthin like 1.55 Vs 1.57 to the uero > # Steve > # > # On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:09 PM, john wrote: > # > # > ah, but today is St. Patty's day... much better. :) > # > > # > so, what was yesterdays value? > # > > # > ----- > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > # > > # > # Ah thats cheating John, heh, thats Monday's USD value, try it with > # > Sunday's > # > # ;-) > # > # Steve > # > # > # > # On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, john wrote: > # > # > # > # > actually, $ 7.26/gallon > # > # > > # > # > country date local price dollar value Diesel/ltr > # > Diesel/gal > # > # > Paraguay 3/17/2008 $0.91 $3.44 > # > # > Ireland - Euro 3/17/2008 1.22 1.57292 $1.92 $7.26 > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > ----- > # > # > > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they > mold > # > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # > # > > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > > # > # > > # > # > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: > # > # > > # > # > # 1.22euro here in Ireland (*http://tinyurl.com/3xrlo4) *to the > # > litre = > # > # > # 3.79litres to the US Gallon.. so > # > # > # 4.62euros = 7.194USD a gallon.. > # > # > # Steve > # > # > # > # > # > # On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:15 AM, john > wrote: > # > # > # > # > # > # > Diesel is at $4.13 - 4.15 now... > # > # > # > saw it for $3.99 at a safeway in Everett.... > # > # > # > > # > # > # > what is Diesel costing elsewhere in the WORLD??? Europe? > # > Australia? > # > # > # > > # > # > # > (don't care as much about gas, but would like to know... > it's > # > about > # > # > $3.51 > # > # > # > here) > # > # > # > > # > # > # > john > # > # > # > > # > # > # > ----- > # > # > # > > # > # > > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, > they > # > mold > # > # > # > http://freegift.com ** > http://wagoneers.com ** > # > # > # > > # > # > > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > # > # > > # > # > # > # > # > # > > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] mark your calendar... no, no, no... he was GERMAN, his dad was WORKING in Paris, he was NOT, never was, never will be, a Frenchman... I should have clarified that news item. He was 100% GERMAN. Ist das klar? :) Turns out that one of my wife's ancestors was also born in France, but they are German as well... must be something in the water. ;) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Jim Hoffman wrote: # Oh, great, he's a Frenchman... That must just make # you go batty John... I can see the internal struggle # now... Diesel good, French bad, Diesel good, French # bad, etc... # # ;) # # / # # --- john wrote: # # > On March 18, 1858, German mechanical engineer Rudolf # > Diesel, the inventor of the # > Diesel engine, was born in Paris. # > # > :) # > john # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't # > rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** # > http://wagoneers.com ** # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:04:55 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] mark your calendar... >no, no, no... he was GERMAN, his dad was WORKING in Paris, >he was NOT, never was, never will be, a Frenchman... > >I should have clarified that news item. He was 100% GERMAN. > >Ist das klar? :) Bah... it is all the EU now, right? I've posted a tribute: http://chuck.goolsbee.org/archives/547 ;) - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:18:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Hoffman Subject: Re: [db] mark your calendar... That would be his sesquecentenial! ;) Jim - --- Jim Hoffman wrote: > AND he would have been 150 years old!! Isn't that > some kind of centenial?? > > ;) > > Jim > > --- chuck goolsbee wrote: > > > >no, no, no... he was GERMAN, his dad was WORKING > in > > Paris, > > >he was NOT, never was, never will be, a > > Frenchman... > > > > > >I should have clarified that news item. He was > > 100% GERMAN. > > > > > >Ist das klar? :) > > > > Bah... it is all the EU now, right? > > > > I've posted a tribute: > > http://chuck.goolsbee.org/archives/547 ;) > > > > -- > > --chuck goolsbee > > 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD > > arlington, wa, usa > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:27:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: xj: Re: Diesel prices worldwide?a I'll have about 3 or 4 gallons of used motor oil shortly.... I wonder... I know it'll make all the clear lines black, I wonder if it'll cause a problem in my '91 300D if I run it... might be safer to use in my son's '85 300D, he has the inline mechanical lower pressure system... thoughts? john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: # Here on the east coast, in the shadow of the nation's capitol, I saw Diesel at a local Shell at $4.65 last night...And BIO diesel at $4.89...sheesh! # Ed # web/gadget guru # # Stephen Rigley wrote: # couple more for you John # # UK $230.33 $8.69 (from AA's website) # Dubai $0.92 $3.48 (they've just had a price hike "making diesel in the # emirate almost 50 per cent costlier than in Abu Dhabi.") # # Steve # # # # On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:35 PM, john wrote: # # > country Diesel/ltr Diesel/gal # > Paraguay $0.91 $3.44 # > Washington state $1.09 $4.14 # > Ireland - Euro $1.92 $7.26 # > Nederland - Euro $1.95 $7.38 # > Germany - Euro $2.09 $7.91 # > # > # > Let's see, if I bring my '91 Grand Wagoneer over to Germany # > and fill up both tanks it'll cost me $316.52. # > # > Would 'only' cost me $165.56 to tank up here... # > # > of course I should be able to drive about 800 miles on that 40 gallons # > though... :) # > # > john # > # > # > ----- # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug # # --------------------------------- # Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] international holiday? perhaps today should be made an international holiday? :) Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel Day HOW IT ALL STARTED - --------------------- March 18, 1858, Paris, France, a German couple had a baby boy and they named him Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel. On February 28, 1892 Imperial German Patent #67207 was issued for an internal combustion engine using compression ignition. On Feburary 17, 1897 a 250mm x 400mm engine produced 13.1kw of power during a successful test. Even this early prototype was 26.2% efficient! This was a significant milestone in engine technology. During that time a steam engine was at best about 18% efficient! On July 16, 1895 US Patent #542,846 was issued on the Diesel Engine. In spite of it's efficiency and potential Rudolf and his business enterprise was in serious financial straits and on September 29, 1913 while crossing the English Channel Rudolf threw himself into the frigid waters. What is tragic is that with the onset of World War I his invention became immensly popular and continues to be popular even today. ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:42:20 -0700 From: "Paul Masterson" Subject: Re: [db] Re: xj: Re: Diesel prices worldwide?a I looked into using used oil (since I have an unlimited stream) but got scared off by the abrasive particles. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: Cc: "diesel-benz list" Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:27 AM Subject: [db] Re: xj: Re: Diesel prices worldwide?a > I'll have about 3 or 4 gallons of used motor oil shortly.... > > I wonder... I know it'll make all the clear lines black, I wonder > if it'll cause a problem in my '91 300D if I run it... > > might be safer to use in my son's '85 300D, he has the inline > mechanical lower pressure system... > > thoughts? > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Ed Kummel wrote: > > # Here on the east coast, in the shadow of the nation's capitol, I saw > Diesel at a local Shell at $4.65 last night...And BIO diesel at > $4.89...sheesh! > # Ed > # web/gadget guru > # > # Stephen Rigley wrote: > # couple more for you John > # > # UK $230.33 $8.69 (from AA's website) > # Dubai $0.92 $3.48 (they've just had a price hike "making diesel in the > # emirate almost 50 per cent costlier than in Abu Dhabi.") > # > # Steve > # > # > # > # On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 9:35 PM, john wrote: > # > # > country Diesel/ltr Diesel/gal > # > Paraguay $0.91 $3.44 > # > Washington state $1.09 $4.14 > # > Ireland - Euro $1.92 $7.26 > # > Nederland - Euro $1.95 $7.38 > # > Germany - Euro $2.09 $7.91 > # > > # > > # > Let's see, if I bring my '91 Grand Wagoneer over to Germany > # > and fill up both tanks it'll cost me $316.52. > # > > # > Would 'only' cost me $165.56 to tank up here... > # > > # > of course I should be able to drive about 800 miles on that 40 gallons > # > though... :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > # "Man, you people make me want to go kick an iMac." > # - Response to a Mac FanBoy on the critical Leopard "move" bug > # > # --------------------------------- > # Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try > it now. > # ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2689 **********************************