From owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Sat Mar 22 13:53:06 2008 From: diesel-benz-digest diesel-benz-digest Saturday, March 22 2008 Volume 01 : Number 2696 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles Derick Amburgey Digest Coordinator Contents: [db] Re: fsj: RE: not so much fun with fuel [db] X prize - an easy 10 million Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... Re: [db] X prize - an easy 10 million Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... Re: [db] X prize - an easy 10 million Re: [db] X prize - an easy 10 million [db] exide battery explosion... [db] adventures with batteries Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:50:22 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] Re: fsj: RE: not so much fun with fuel not using a stock setup... :) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Tesar Landon wrote: # Maybe it was every other oil change. Surprisingly often, and not a very # sophisticated filter. # # -----Original Message----- # From: Tesar Landon # Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:12 PM # To: 'john'; David Ashby; full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; # FParker; diesel-benz list # Subject: RE: not so much fun with fuel # # Our 5.7 Toronado had factory recommendation to change that filter with # every oil change = 3000 miles. # # - Landon # # -----Original Message----- # From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of # john # Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:46 PM # To: David Ashby; full size jeep list; ABCvoice-at-worldnet.att.net; # FParker; diesel-benz list # Subject: fsj: not so much fun with fuel # # got the lift pump, looked like the original lift # pump may not have been making contact with the push rod... # only slightly worn, but if it was new, and it did look # new, it might have been ok... # # and, putting the new one in didn't solve the problem... # # mark and I started to troubleshoot and crack lines with # an electric pump on... it appears that the primary filter on # the firewall may be clogged... napa 3123... when I # loosened the bleeder valve it flowed... closed it and # cracked the lines on the output of the secondary and nothing... # # guess I'll get one tomorrow on the way home... # # dang, so wanted to drive it to work tomorrow to get the # lift kit installed. :) # # john # # ----- # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** # ---------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:52:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] X prize - an easy 10 million all you need to do is get 100 mpg... http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/files/downloads/auto/AXP_Draft_Competition_Guidelines_20070402.pdf ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Stephen Rigley wrote: # Heh, french stereotyping, you've just reminded me of this, hilarious : # http://youtube.com/watch?v=FUVagbFcSUU I'm not sure what that was... or why it was... that's five minutes of my life I'll never get back... ;) ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:11:08 -0400 From: Edward Pomeroy Subject: Re: [db] X prize - an easy 10 million I read the requirements, it basically shuts out most home brew types......however......I got to thinking (which is dangerous) and came up with the thought of a small Peugeot 4 cylinder diesel (real small, like 1.2 L) in a ford escort (or Focus or Rabbit) with a modified head and two sets of common rail injectors, one rail injects diesel for 3 cycles (crank rotations) of each piston and the other injects water mist for one cycle. I am taking liberally from a vid I saw of a fellow that has this system working in FL on a single piston diesel, he gets phenomenal mileage equivalent in the lab, just a matter of taking it to the field. Anyone want to invest? :-) Compressing the steam that is formed instantly in the hot cylinder lowering the op temp, gives the piston one hell of a push as the mist instantly turns to steam and cuts fuel consumption 25% while actually increasing net horsepower. Would also do whatever possible to lighten the basic vehicle with skinny tires, aluminum rims and brake pistons, electric steering etc. Would take some fancy modification of the ECU but nothing out of the realm of possibility. john wrote: > all you need to do is get 100 mpg... > > http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/files/downloads/auto/AXP_Draft_Competition_Guidelines_20070402.pdf > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:12:16 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... >I'm not sure what that was... or why it was... that's five minutes of my >life I'll never get back... ;) It was pure, unadulterated je ne sais quois! BTW: Mike found a way to snag that WVO in Lynnwood and is bringing it up to my house tonight. - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... I have no idea what your response was... nor do I think I want to... :) on the WVO, excellent. :) I hope to wash my buckets this weekend... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # >I'm not sure what that was... or why it was... that's five minutes of my # >life I'll never get back... ;) # # It was pure, unadulterated je ne sais quois! # # # BTW: Mike found a way to snag that WVO in Lynnwood and is bringing it up to # my house tonight. # # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:54:03 GMT From: "jasonbassett-at-juno.com" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [db] mark your calendar... Well, I'm not sure I get it, but it made me laugh. According to one comment, there is no deeper meaning, so I guess I got it, then. J - -- "Stephen Rigley" wrote: Heh, french stereotyping, you've just reminded me of this, hilarious : http://youtube.com/watch?v=FUVagbFcSUU On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Alec Cordova wrote: > Ah, but to perpetuate the stereotypes, wouldn't the French be more > likely to be helpful to a woman? ;-) > > Alec > 89 300CE, 234K, for sale, http://austin.craigslist.org/car/612132108.html > 08 smart fortwo, 260 miles > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:59 AM, john wrote: > > sounds like things have changed since the '70s. > > > > france had kicked the USA military out in the late '60's, > > so there may have been some residual irritation. > > > > I know Nederland was quite different from the '70's as well. > > > > john > > > > ----- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > > http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Jan Guthrie wrote: > > > > # I spent about 2 weeks in France last year, some of the time by > myself, > > > > > > # and I speak NO French. But I took the time to learn about 10 polite > > # "greeting" type phrases to be polite. I had NO problems caused by > the > > # French people's unwillingness to help ... every single person was at > > # least polite and *many* went way out their way to be helpful and > kind. > > # > > # I had a great time, and would not hesitate to go by again, even > > # traveling solo. > > # > > # Jan > > # > > # Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > # > john wrote: > > # > > > # >> in france, they don't willingly speak english or german... > > # >> > > # >> > > # > *** I spent a day in France a few years ago - it was the last leg > in a > > # > trans-atlantic cruise. I found the French reasonably friendly as > I > > # > exercised my VERY rusty high school French. But didn't spend > enough > > # > time there to get any sort of statistical feel for the place. > Wife > > # > wanted to spend a few days in Paris, but I was REALLY tired of > travelling. > > # > > > # > > > # > - Jerry Kaidor > > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:08:00 -0700 From: chuck goolsbee Subject: Re: [db] X prize - an easy 10 million >I read the requirements, it basically shuts out most home brew >types......however......I got to thinking (which is dangerous) >and came up with the thought of a small Peugeot 4 cylinder diesel >(real small, like 1.2 L) in a ford escort (or Focus or Rabbit) A Lotus Seven or Elise might be better (lighter)... or do the requirements include luggage and four adults? >with a modified head and two sets of common rail injectors, one rail >injects diesel for 3 cycles (crank rotations) of each piston and the >other injects water mist for one cycle. Steam is the high-torque champion, and your idea is a great application of it! - -- - --chuck goolsbee 02 Jetta TDi & 06 Liberty CRD arlington, wa, usa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: [db] X prize - an easy 10 million yes, 4 passengers and cargo, but there is a special class where 2 side by side are permitted, so the elise would work... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, chuck goolsbee wrote: # >I read the requirements, it basically shuts out most home brew # >types......however......I got to thinking (which is dangerous) # >and came up with the thought of a small Peugeot 4 cylinder diesel # >(real small, like 1.2 L) in a ford escort (or Focus or Rabbit) # # A Lotus Seven or Elise might be better (lighter)... or do the requirements # include luggage and four adults? # # # # >with a modified head and two sets of common rail injectors, one rail # >injects diesel for 3 cycles (crank rotations) of each piston and the # >other injects water mist for one cycle. # # Steam is the high-torque champion, and your idea is a great application of # it! # # ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] exide battery explosion... one of the batteries on omega exploded last night... came out this morning and saw a plastic cap under the jeep... flipped it over and it was the top of the battery. puddle of fluid, suspect battery acid... of course there is Diesel and bioDiesel on the floor too from priming... lovely mess... :) where's my kitty litter? they are exide batteries, not sure where my friend bought them... they're side post units, that's what GM did with the Diesels, 5.7 and 6.2, but I'm not a fan of those wimpy 8mm bolts holding the cables to the batteries... I think I'm going to get the gel cell top posts and lay them on their sides in those battery trays. Also might move the trays back a bit so I can get nerf bars / side rails attached. I think that one of the batteries was defective all along... this thing has never cranked right... and the automatic battery charger was always running after it was charged up... was thinking that my alarm system was bad or something was drawing current... and if I left the battery charger off the battery wasn't good... so I suspect that one of these batteries, the one that exploded (my first clue) was bad all along. So, I think I'm going to head over to interstate and pick up a couple of large gel cell top posts and change over the connectors. will return the two exides later... not a problem having extra batteries around. :) I'm also thinking that I'm going to put a small battery in the original location with an isolator and use that for the lights and the alarm system so my main batteries aren't used except for starting. I did this on my '85 XJ turbo Diesel as well, worked out well, was even able to jump start myself. ;) I have an older gel cell that might work... two steps backward, one forward... :) need to change the oil on my '91 300D... picked up the oil yesterday... john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: [db] adventures with batteries found out these were the batteries from the 3/4T wrecked GMC, probably out of warranty... we'll see, they look new... picked up to interstate european style top posts that should work, will help my cranking capability without a doubt. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Snohomish, Washington -o|||||o- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold http://freegift.com ** http://wagoneers.com ** - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #2696 **********************************